Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

JDxtra wrote: »

No, I am saying NPHET should offer the advice - then the government should decide on what is appropriate based on the overall picture. Then release that information and explain if there is a deviation from the advice and explain reasons why.

Lockdown recommendation news getting into the media before any decision just causes panic.

Where do you think the leaks come from? We have a long history of gov politicians giving an advance nod to their cronies, in order to justify their position at the parish pump.

I would think that political parties are their own worst enemy when it comes to leaking info... sometimes officially, sometimes unofficially.

JDxtra wrote: »

No, I am saying NPHET should offer the advice - then the government should decide on what is appropriate based on the overall picture. Then release that information and explain if there is a deviation from the advice and explain reasons why.

Lockdown recommendation news getting into the media before any decision just causes panic.

It's government officials leaking it, as per RTE.

It is called kite flying.

It's as old politics itself.

But in all honesty during a once in a generation pandemic, everything should be made public, particularly advice from Public health. We are intelligent and grown up enough as a nation to behave appropriately.

The toilet rolls aside, but that was from announcement by Leo.

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

You see , " Lord Leo " , knows all .

If he'd quit the arrogance / gaming playing , and listened to the experts , it would suit him better .

Instead of showing off to his supporters , such as yourself .

The experts don't have to worry about the economy, businesses, undiagnosed diseases, mental health etc.

Someone has to and that happens to be Leo and the government.

Thank god we have people who have different opinions or are willing to challenge them

NPHET not in charge of the country.

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

You see , " Lord Leo " , knows all .

If he'd quit the arrogance / gaming playing , and listened to the experts , it would suit him better .

Instead of showing off to his supporters , such as yourself .

If you quit twisting a narrative to suit your pre-conceptions about Leo and listened to what he actually said and why he said it, it would suit you better.

Boggles wrote: »

It's government officials leaking it, as per RTE.

It is called kite flying.

It's as old politics itself.

But in all honesty during a once in a generation pandemic, everything should be made public, particularly advice from Public health. We are intelligent and grown up enough as a nation to behave appropriately.

The toilet rolls aside, but that was from announcement by Leo.

Link to government officials leaking it?

caveat emptor wrote: »

There were a lot of people thinking that there wouldn't be a second wave as there was "no evidence" of one.


:rolleyes:

Technically we are still in our first wave which we supressed during the lockdown/restrictions earlier on the year. Don't underdtand why people dont get this as it has implications for now and planning.


Not saying you don't,;)

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Tell that to a hairdresser who's spent thousands kitting out the place to be Covid safe and is facing the prospect of months of closed doors again. Possibly losing their business. Spare us the pontificating. You can just as easily be called selfish for having your narrow-minded viewpoint

A bit of an exaggeration there. Most hairdressers splashed out on a few masks and visors, sanitizers and stickers. This was covered and more by the restart grant (4k) and the enterprise grant (1k)

Therir loss of earnings however, has been a very real issue, please dont detract from that with sensational claims like above.

Don't know what yer all freaking out about, currently in school with full numbers, on lunch now no masks to be seen, sure everything is normal and grand.....

JDxtra wrote: »

It is not the number one vector. Keeping the schools open allows parents to continue working.

One of the primary vectors.

School closures were shown to reduce morbidity from the Asian flu by 90% during the 1957–1958 pandemic, and up to 50% in controlling influenza in the U.S., 2004–2008. Similarly, mandatory school closures and other social distancing measures were associated with a 29% to 37% reduction in influenza transmission rates during the 2009 flu epidemic in Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_distancing

I accept your point about the economic disruption, but we are either going to try to get on top of it or we are not.

Strumms wrote: »

Parents would be forced to parent... that’s a vote looser right there.

It’s strange really. At least they should be examining the idea of a shorter curriculum.

Art, civics, PE, Religious studies.... should be ninjad for a start... at least in classroom format.

What sort of nonsense are you spouting? If you keep saying that stupid soundbite it doesn't make it correct.

So now parents wanting their children to be educated is not "parenting" in your opinion? Children have lost out on so much education so far and this is especially damaging for the youngest. But of course you know that as you seem to be an expert on the matter.

It the society we voted for that requires dual income households to survive nowadays. Look back to the Budget in 2000 to when this all started with the Tax individualisation measures which was touted as a pro woman measure but was essentially anti-family measure that took income out of the pockets of single income households, by reducing the transferrable tax allowances between spouses.

If you close the schools you shut the economy down. It's as simple as that. No childish rhetoric about parents "parenting" will change that reality.