Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

lapua20grain · 13-10-2020 8:11am

sparrowcar wrote: »

Years?
It was only closed for a few months

He said that the first commercial plane came over his house in years not that the runway was closed for years read the post.

sparrowcar · 13-10-2020 9:59am

lapua20grain wrote: »

He said that the first commercial plane came over his house in years not that the runway was closed for years read the post.

I read the post thanks. Its down to interpretation but its a fair assumption to make that he was suggesting a commercial plane had not come over his house in years due to 16/34 being closed for that time.

lapua20grain · 13-10-2020 10:03am

sparrowcar wrote: »

I read the post thanks. Its down to interpretation but its a fair assumption to make that he was suggesting a commercial plane had not come over his house in years due to 16/34 being closed for that time.

Not how I interpreted it but each to their own i suppose

sparrowcar · 13-10-2020 10:03am

lapua20grain wrote: »

Not how I interpreted it but each to their own i suppose

Exactly

Brendan Bendar · 13-10-2020 2:01pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

I read the post thanks. Its down to interpretation but its a fair assumption to make that he was suggesting a commercial plane had not come over his house in years due to 16/34 being closed for that time.

That’s how I saw it.

Jack1985 · 13-10-2020 10:27pm

Anyone know of any updated satellite imagery for Dublin Airport? Looking to have a look at the progress over the last few months.

Gaoth Laidir · 13-10-2020 10:36pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Anyone know of any updated satellite imagery for Dublin Airport? Looking to have a look at the progress over the last few months.

This seems to be fairly recent.

https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=3271b7a5-f9ad-43c8-ac56-b1fc10f16d1b&cp=53.436068~-6.264971&lvl=15&style=h&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

Rojomur · 13-10-2020 11:44pm

Apologies for any confusion on my post. I could offer this by way of explanation. I live just off malahide Road under flightpath of runway 34. That post was written seconds after id heard the first plane..a ryanair b737 flying overhead and i suppose i was just rreacting unexpectedly. I had no idea despite following this thread that the runway was now open. My reference to 'years' was just an initial reaction to what felt like that. When RW 10/28 was being resurfaced a few years ago the planes were coming thick and fast from 11pm until the US first flights landed sometimes as early as 4.30am. It operated when the wind dictated after that and then the north runway construction commenced...it now seems lime an age since i heard regular night flights flying over the house....subsitute "years" from my initial post with a "while" and youll catch my drift...

HTCOne · 14-10-2020 12:02am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

This seems to be fairly recent.

https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=3271b7a5-f9ad-43c8-ac56-b1fc10f16d1b&cp=53.436068~-6.264971&lvl=15&style=h&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

You can still see a EI 757 parked remotely off pier D, so 6 months old at least!

Jack1985 · 14-10-2020 12:06am

HTCOne wrote: »

You can still see a EI 757 parked remotely off pier D, so 6 months old at least!

Lot's of aircraft moving too :P, still a little progress visible!

sparrowcar · 14-10-2020 12:15am

Jack1985 wrote: »

Anyone know of any updated satellite imagery for Dublin Airport? Looking to have a look at the progress over the last few months.

Have you seen these?

Jack1985 · 14-10-2020 12:17am

sparrowcar wrote: »

Have you seen these?....

Fantastic thanks for that, great to see this progress.

Jack1985 · 14-10-2020 12:25am

I wonder what the reasoning was as to why the parallel taxiway needed to diverge off to south before reconnecting with the old Taxiway G?

sparrowcar · 14-10-2020 12:29am

Jack1985 wrote: »

I wonder what the reasoning was as to why the parallel taxiway needed to diverge off to south before reconnecting with the old Taxiway G?

I think I heard it was an EASA requirement. To do with pilots line of sight while crossing 16/34.

BonnieSituation · 14-10-2020 1:14am

sparrowcar wrote: »

I think I heard it was an EASA requirement. To do with pilots line of sight while crossing 16/34.

Yeah. Was discussed up thread. Much safer to cross/hit runways at a right angle.

Here's a nice video on the blindspot phenomenon on angled roads:

https://youtu.be/SYeeTvitvFU

14-10-2020 6:44am

Jack1985 wrote: »

I wonder what the reasoning was as to why the parallel taxiway needed to diverge off to south before reconnecting with the old Taxiway G?

There’s a EUROCONTROL document, the European Action Plan for the Prevention of Runway Incursions. Whilst its recommendations are not mandatory, when the word “Should” is used then the recommendation is considered ‘best practice’.

The relevant recommendation is contained in APPENDIX K AERODROME DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR THE PREVENTION OF RUNWAY INCURSION

Air crews need an unobstructed view of the runway, in both directions to the thresholds, to confirm that the runway and its approach are clear of conflicting traffic before proceeding to enter onto this runway. To provide this clear view, runway entrances should be perpendicular to the runway as far as practicable.

Clearly, this recommendation also applies for aircraft crossing a runway, in this case 16/34.

Captain_Crash · 14-10-2020 8:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

There’s a EUROCONTROL document, the European Action Plan for the Prevention of Runway Incursions. Whilst its recommendations are not mandatory, when the word “Should” is used then the recommendation is considered ‘best practice’.

The relevant recommendation is contained in APPENDIX K AERODROME DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR THE PREVENTION OF RUNWAY INCURSION

Clearly, this recommendation also applies for aircraft crossing a runway, in this case 16/34.

Its kind of ironic that the same runway has 3 angled crossings just a few hundred meters down from the new diverged crossing.

14-10-2020 8:54am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its kind of ironic that the same runway has 3 angled crossings just a few hundred meters down from the new diverged crossing.

Very true. But in a new build situation, you pretty well have to follow the (newer) guidance.

Captain_Crash · 14-10-2020 9:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

Very true. But in a new build situation, you pretty well have to follow the (newer) guidance.

Oh I agree absolutely, just pointing out the irony of it all haha. Those crossings were long built before EASA issued any such guidance.

Jack1985 · 14-10-2020 4:53pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its kind of ironic that the same runway has 3 angled crossings just a few hundred meters down from the new diverged crossing.

Yeah, a few years back a Monarch entered 16, a Ryanair was able to reject just before V1 and came to a safe stop.

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/A321_/_B738,_Dublin_Ireland,_2011

xper · 16-10-2020 1:02am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

This seems to be fairly recent.

https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=3271b7a5-f9ad-43c8-ac56-b1fc10f16d1b&cp=53.436068~-6.264971&lvl=15&style=h&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

That's quite a few months old, possibly a year old. Google Map's current image is even older - construction proper hasn't begun on that. Apple Maps, if you have one of their devices, has high-res imagery from this summer with work well under way on the new runway and existing taxiway intersections of 16/34 which has multiple closed 'X' markings (plus lots and lots of parked up aircraft).

And if you want a look at what it (or anything else) looks like now-ish, albeit at low-res, there's always Sentinal Hub EO Browser. Here's a link to the clearest image from the last week ... 7th October 2020 Link ... give it a minute to load the satellite imagery over the map

BonnieSituation · 16-10-2020 1:12am

What's with the requirements to narrow the runways?

Seems counterintuitive to remove landing area?

Is it just a case of bring lights in narrower rather than trimming the tarmac?

NH2013 · 16-10-2020 8:00am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What's with the requirements to narrow the runways?

Seems counterintuitive to remove landing area?

Is it just a case of bring lights in narrower rather than trimming the tarmac?

Indeed its just bringing in the white lines and lights on the side of the runway.

Main reason, particularly with 16/34, was due to the optical illusion it induced for pilots on approach of feeling low on the profile, due to the short length of 16/34. This in turn would mean some might be liable to approach the runway from a slightly higher angle to make the picture look more correct or normal, and the result being you're then more liable to land long or further down an already quite short runway by modern standards.

16 and 34 in particular was always well known as having strange illusions on approach, particularly at night where its short length, wide width and lack of centerline lights gave it a real black hole effect on the approach and made it quite hard to judge your relative position of the aircraft vs the runway while on the final stages of the approach.

Brendan Bendar · 16-10-2020 8:02am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What's with the requirements to narrow the runways?

Seems counterintuitive to remove landing area?

Is it just a case of bring lights in narrower rather than trimming the tarmac?

Basically to standardise runway width as disparate widths could lead pilots to the impression they were lower in approach than they actually were.

It’s narrowing and embedding the lights.... t

Ohh ohh...... sorry didn’t see above post

Sorreeeee

HTCOne · 16-10-2020 10:23am

NH2013 wrote: »

16 and 34 in particular was always well known as having strange illusions on approach, particularly at night where its short length, wide width and lack of centerline lights gave it a real black hole effect on the approach and made it quite hard to judge your relative position of the aircraft vs the runway while on the final stages of the approach.

Particularly when the lighting on the Holiday Inn (or whatever it is called now) in Ballymun used to make it look exactly like a runway!

http://avherald.com/h?article=3fa877c1/0001

Hope Simon doesn’t mind me linking to his site if he is around......

Shedite27 · 16-10-2020 10:51am

HTCOne wrote: »

Particularly when the lighting on the Holiday Inn (or whatever it is called now) in Ballymun used fo make it look exactly like a runway!

http://avherald.com/h?article=3fa877c1/0001

Hope Simon doesn’t mind me linking to his site if he is around......

It does too

L1011 · 16-10-2020 11:01am

Its the Metro, was the Days.

BonnieSituation · 16-10-2020 1:21pm

NH2013 wrote: »

Indeed its just bringing in the white lines and lights on the side of the runway.

Main reason, particularly with 16/34, was due to the optical illusion it induced for pilots on approach of feeling low on the profile, due to the short length of 16/34. This in turn would mean some might be liable to approach the runway from a slightly higher angle to make the picture look more correct or normal, and the result being you're then more liable to land long or further down an already quite short runway by modern standards.

16 and 34 in particular was always well known as having strange illusions on approach, particularly at night where its short length, wide width and lack of centerline lights gave it a real black hole effect on the approach and made it quite hard to judge your relative position of the aircraft vs the runway while on the final stages of the approach.

Thanks so much for that.

I actually thought ALL runways were being narrowed.

Great explanation.

And I can completely visualise the issue you describe occuring.

BonnieSituation · 16-10-2020 1:22pm

HTCOne wrote: »

Particularly when the lighting on the Holiday Inn (or whatever it is called now) in Ballymun used to make it look exactly like a runway!

http://avherald.com/h?article=3fa877c1/0001

Hope Simon doesn’t mind me linking to his site if he is around......

That's a fantastic article. Cheers for the link.

Shedite27 wrote: »

It does too

The zoomed in photo is actually pretty haunting when you think of the potential catastrophe.

What lights are in place now to stop this happening?

theguzman · 16-10-2020 4:18pm

Has anyone flown into Dublin airport domestically from either Kerry or Donegal this year in Covid times or else in recent years. I myself last flew Kerry to Dublin in 2010 with Ryanair and I really can't remember at the time but I think there was no checkpoint.

I think it is truly horrendous that you have to clear immigration and get your passport scanned to fly domestically despite it being an internal flight domestically within the Republic of Ireland, it has a real big brother feel to it. Is this domestic immigration checkpoint something new resulting from Covid or what? E.g. we can fly to the UK and waltz through with no checks but fly to Dublin (same country) and you get checked and interrogated.

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