Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

speckle · 15-10-2020 11:17PM

UHK would also feed in patients to CUH.
And some parts of Limerck feed into UHK or did re covid earlier in the year. Big geographic areas down there.

15-10-2020 11:17PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Illona Duffy from Monaghan is one. Never off the radio now.

These people are dull by nature, it's a dull life, They're not splitting the atom, injecting smallpox, shouting Eureka, dropping balls from towers, absorbing radium or even exploiting CFC's through industrial chemistry!!

They are lab rats, doling our prescriptions, smear tests, looking at sore throats and anal cysts!! looking at lab slides and thus and such!!

Their day has come and they mean to be heard no matter what!! Globally doctors are racing to be the modern curie, Jenner, Rutherford, newton and Pythagoras even....not a hope.

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2020 11:17PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's probably different patients going in to the ones leaving. The one Siobhán ní Bhriain, live integrated care lead with NPHET said covid patients have an average stay of 20 days.

Oh really, sh1t. I thought it was mostly one or two nighter patients.

Dickie10 · 15-10-2020 11:19PM

i suppose the elephant in the room is what happens if we do get numbers back to 20-40 cases a day? do we open up to level 2 only? micheal mcgrath just said tonight were living with restrictions until a vaccine so thats most likely this time next year but probably spring 2022. wow long time to live without crowds at sports, pubs half open, no nightclubs, no live music concerts, no comedy shows,no music festivels, no theatre, no wedddings over 50 people. crikey. imagine being 18 now and never have really experienced a nightclub or music festival and wont for 2 more years. what are peoples thoughts another whole 18 months - 2 years without all those things.

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 11:24PM

Dublin looking levelish, rest of the country... not so much.

RGARDINR · 15-10-2020 11:24PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i suppose the elephant in the room is what happens if we do get numbers back to 20-40 cases a day? do we open up to level 2 only? micheal mcgrath just said tonight were living with restrictions until a vaccine so thats most likely this time next year but probably spring 2022. wow long time to live without crowds at sports, pubs half open, no nightclubs, no live music concerts, no comedy shows,no music festivels, no theatre, no wedddings over 50 people. crikey. imagine being 18 now and never have really experienced a nightclub or music festival and wont for 2 more years. what are peoples thoughts another whole 18 months - 2 years without all those things.

If there ever is a vaccine.

Gael23 · 15-10-2020 11:26PM

rob316 wrote: »

The extended over cautious approach in the last wave has backfired spectacularly and led to public covid fatigue. We had single figure infections and our pubs were still closed, our beauty industry took a ridiculous amount of time to open, there was no consideration given to the impact to young healthy people who aren't willing to lose anymore time of their lives.

This 100 times over

Funsterdelux · 15-10-2020 11:26PM

2020 goes from worse to worser

Fears for Fungi as famous dolphin reportedly missing

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40065815.html

Stheno · 15-10-2020 11:26PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

If there ever is a vaccine.

Gosh its a cheery lot in here tonight

majcos · 15-10-2020 11:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Obesity features very heavily aswell.

Yes. Obesity seems to be the strongest risk factor after age in many studies.

There is some difference between the rates of obesity in Ireland versus UK although figures for both countries vary a bit according to the source of information so it’s hard to know how significant the difference is.

Only 40% of Irish are of normal weight as per HSE data. 37% are overweight and the remaining 23% obese. In UK 28.7% classed as obese with further 35.6% overweight.

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 11:27PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

If there ever is a vaccine.

There is a Chinese and Russian one already. So you mean if the west can't develop a safe one?

FintanMcluskey · 15-10-2020 11:28PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i suppose the elephant in the room is what happens if we do get numbers back to 20-40 cases a day? do we open up to level 2 only? micheal mcgrath just said tonight were living with restrictions until a vaccine so thats most likely this time next year but probably spring 2022. wow long time to live without crowds at sports, pubs half open, no nightclubs, no live music concerts, no comedy shows,no music festivels, no theatre, no wedddings over 50 people. crikey. imagine being 18 now and never have really experienced a nightclub or music festival and wont for 2 more years. what are peoples thoughts another whole 18 months - 2 years without all those things.

I have asked this previously.

If 14 cases a day during June/July provoked NPHET to pronounce the R number was rising, there is no out.

What exactly is required

Deeper Blue · 15-10-2020 11:29PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

If there ever is a vaccine.

You mean there might never be one?

I ask because nobody has ever mentioned this before.

440Hertz · 15-10-2020 11:30PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i suppose the elephant in the room is what happens if we do get numbers back to 20-40 cases a day? do we open up to level 2 only? micheal mcgrath just said tonight were living with restrictions until a vaccine so thats most likely this time next year but probably spring 2022. wow long time to live without crowds at sports, pubs half open, no nightclubs, no live music concerts, no comedy shows,no music festivels, no theatre, no wedddings over 50 people. crikey. imagine being 18 now and never have really experienced a nightclub or music festival and wont for 2 more years. what are peoples thoughts another whole 18 months - 2 years without all those things.

When you think about it, we lived through a golden age of relative peace, health and prosperity. It’s hard to get my head around how serious this mess is.

Hopefully, the vaccines work and provide a path out of it, but we are looking at a level of disruption that hasn’t been seen in modern societies since the end of WWII. At least it’s just a virus and not a savage war caused by nasty human behaviour and we have strong global cooperation, good technology and supply chains have been able to tick over, but it’s still a level of disruption to social and economic life that we have no modern experience of, nor could we, any of us, have expected to plan for it.

It is very head wrecking though. I’m sort of seeing it like grieving for a normality lost. A lot of us are pragmatists and just get on with it, some of us aren’t and are probably in the anger and denial phase, which probably explains the buy in to conspiracy theories by people who might normally be fairly sensible.

The reality of it is this could go on for 2 to 3 years, a prospect that I find really stressful to contemplate, but we also need to plan and face reality.

Biology is fascinating, but it’s brutal.

Deeper Blue · 15-10-2020 11:30PM

So the 214 in hospital last night was a typo? **** sake, it's one of the main metrics people are using to assess how we're doing, you'd think they'd pay a bit more attention to the published figures. Get your **** together

spookwoman · 15-10-2020 11:34PM

El Sueño wrote: »

So the 214 in hospital last night was a typo? **** sake, it's one of the main metrics people are using to assess how we're doing, you'd think they'd pay a bit more attention to the published figures. Get your **** together

Had to get onto them about the gov.ie reports and the amount of errors. Seems to have done the job

Qiaonasen · 15-10-2020 11:34PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

There is a Chinese and Russian one already. So you mean if the west can't develop a safe one?

The Russian one doesn't work.

As for China they have 3 candidates in phase 3 trials. Also they are shooting it into 100s of thousands of people with the hope that works. For example they have given it to the employees of Sinovac and their families. If you work for Sinovac are you really gonna say you won't try your employers vaccine? You have to remember China is a country run on fear and face.

China will win the vaccine race. They are trying to get there first and cutting corners in the process. They are trying to get there so they have some vaccine diplomacy. They want the world to forget that they caused the mess in the first place. I wouldn't touch the Chinese Vaccine until it undergoes clinical third party clinical trials where the Communist Party have no say. Anything else is extremely dangerous.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 11:34PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

There is a Chinese and Russian one already. So you mean if the west can't develop a safe one?

Don't mention the Chinese!!! Asking for trouble

emo72 · 15-10-2020 11:35PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i suppose the elephant in the room is what happens if we do get numbers back to 20-40 cases a day? do we open up to level 2 only? micheal mcgrath just said tonight were living with restrictions until a vaccine so thats most likely this time next year but probably spring 2022. wow long time to live without crowds at sports, pubs half open, no nightclubs, no live music concerts, no comedy shows,no music festivels, no theatre, no wedddings over 50 people. crikey. imagine being 18 now and never have really experienced a nightclub or music festival and wont for 2 more years. what are peoples thoughts another whole 18 months - 2 years without all those things.

Exactly. We gave a big push to stop covid. Most people can understand a few months of this. But years? No way, I don't think anyone will sign up for that. Certain ministers and NPHET don't get to make that decision for all of us.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 11:35PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

The Russian one doesn't work.

As for China they have 3 candidates in phase 3 trials. Also they are shooting it into 100s of thousands of people with the hope that works. For example they have given it to the employees of Sinovac and their families. If you work for Sinovac are you really gonna say you won't try your employers vaccine? You have to remember China is a country run on fear and face.

China will win the vaccine race. They are trying to get there first and cutting corners in the process. They are trying to get there so they have some vaccine diplomacy. They want the world to forget that they caused the mess in the first place. I wouldn't touch the Chinese Vaccine until it undergoes clinical third party clinical trials where the Communist Party have no say. Anything else is extremely dangerous.

You're not a fan of the ol' Chinese so are ya

Qiaonasen · 15-10-2020 11:36PM

El Sueño wrote: »

You mean there might never be one?

I ask because nobody has ever mentioned this before.

It is highly possible there will never be an effective vaccine or even a partially effective one. This is well known. I am optimistic though because the scientific endeavor and effort going into this is incredible.

FintanMcluskey · 15-10-2020 11:36PM

440Hertz wrote: »

When you think about it, we lived through a golden when of relative peace, health and prosperity. It’s hard to get my head around how serious this mess is.

Hopefully, the vaccines work and provide a path out of it, but we are looking at a level of disruption that hasn’t been seen in modern societies since the end of WWII. At least it’s just a virus and not a savage war caused by nasty human behaviour and we have strong global cooperation, good technology and supply chains have been able to tick over, but it’s still a level of disruption to social and economic life that we have no modern experience of, nor could we, any of us, have expected to plan for.

Im not sure can Covid ever be compared to a war where young fit men were sent as cannon fodder in the trenches.

Let’s remember who is vulnerable to Covid

Deeper Blue · 15-10-2020 11:37PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

The Russian one doesn't work.

Source for that please?

440Hertz · 15-10-2020 11:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im not sure can Covid ever be compared to a war where young fit men were sent as cannon fodder in the trenches.

Let’s remember who is vulnerable to Covid

Humans?

I guess by your standards I’m cannon fodder.

Heart problem = expendable ?!?!!!

Thanks!

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 11:38PM

Stheno wrote: »

Gosh its a cheery lot in here tonight

The future is not looking all that bright is it?

Lock down, open up. Lock down open up.

Sometimes I wish I were in China where my mate is in the Diplomatic Sector in Bejing. I totally understand that it is a different regime, but he and his family are doing OK now. Few restrictions apart from masks really.

Icyseanfitz · 15-10-2020 11:40PM

And on top of all this covid ****, fungi the dolphin is missing

2020 can rightly **** off

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 11:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't mention the Chinese!!! Asking for trouble

I give up, first it was there was never a coronavirus vaccine ever (apart from for animals) then it was vaccines take 5+ years to develop (despite Swine Flu vaccine in less than a year), now it's ignoring China and Russia have one that's actually approved (yes within Russia and China, the UAE have approved the Chinese one for emergency use)
Ya can't win with them eh!

majcos · 15-10-2020 11:41PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks.

One thing I do notice about hospitalisation figures is, that they are admitting and discharging a lot of people per day, as in most patients are seen to and discharged quickly.

Which is to be expected.

But that daily volume of in and out takes up a lot of resources.

Yes. The most time a doctor probably spends with a patient is at the point of admission and then on day of discharge doing paperwork, writing prescriptions if needed, giving discharge advice, answering questions about follow up and discussing things to watch out for. If sent home with oxygen monitoring, more patient education is needed. In between it can be just a quick check in to see how things are progressing while monitoring blood pressure, temperature testing etc and reviewing blood results. A doctor may not actually need to spend very long with patient themselves especially if diagnosis is made on first day and improving.

Similarly for nurses, there is a lot of admission and discharge paperwork and patient education and advice with each discharge. Added to that rooms have to be deep cleaned between patients. Administrative/secretarial work with each admission and discharge too.

As I mentioned before, more patients are being managed as outpatients now even those with symptoms that are quite significant once their vitals are stable and oxygen levels satisfactory. That reduces admissions and creates hospital beds and helps limit exposure of other patients and staff but adds to other parts of workload in a hospital.

RGARDINR · 15-10-2020 11:41PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

There is a Chinese and Russian one already. So you mean if the west can't develop a safe one?

Basically. Ha don't know if I would be rushing out to get one from good old vlad or from the Chinese. But sure will wait and see. My point is there may never be a vaccine for this and we can't live like this forever. When do people think realistically when we will have to go back to normal as much as before. 6 mths? A year? 5 years? Say this time next year still no vaccine would you imagine we're still living like this? I hope not I hope as hell there is a vaccine but I think they should come out down the line and have a proper plan in place stating this is what the plan is if there never is a vaccine. Its 50/50 at the end of the day, there either will be one or won't be one and nobody can say which way it will fall on.

FintanMcluskey · 15-10-2020 11:42PM

440Hertz wrote: »

Humans?

Easy on the PC emotional manipulation.

Somewhere early along the way Covid lost its impact and was was reduced to arguments like this, it is not however , remotely as impactful on life as those killed during war.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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