Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

owlbethere · 15-10-2020 09:50PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

If I remember schools staying open is only safe if community transmission is low. How to solve that problem? Don’t publish community transmission data.

Tony didn't give the per ent of community transmission this evening. He said its out of hand and he doesn't have a figure now for community transmissions.

Gruffalux · 15-10-2020 09:51PM

Jeff2 wrote: »

If they close off license earlier then the boarder counties well just go north and things get worse.

Or we stay home and be the bored-er counties

Messi19 · 15-10-2020 09:52PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Tony didn't give the per ent of community transmission this evening. He said its out of hand and he doesn't have a figure now for community transmissions.

Yep. That sounds about right. Nothing to see here folks. Move along quietly now

polesheep · 15-10-2020 09:55PM

Messi19 wrote: »

And if said kid just happened to be covid positive then how many of the class would also be tested?

All of them.

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 09:56PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

RTE is an all Ireland broadcaster and there are a huge amount of Irish citizens living up there.

Do NI resident Irish citizens pay the RTE license fee? Maybe they do but I doubt it.

Anyway my point, that I should have made clearer, was if the correspondent was NOT resident in Belfast, WTF was he doing reporting from there, given the restrictions on non RTE staff. ie the rest of us. Guessing he is living up there. God help him.

Jim_Hodge · 15-10-2020 09:57PM

polesheep wrote: »

Strange that you have done 'some' of the surveys. If they were being carried out properly, the chances of you doing even one would be remote. I don't believe in the accuracy of surveys or TAM ratings.

Unless you meant 'carried out', in which case I took you up wrong.

Not sure what you're getting at.

I'm on the panel for a few survey companies and answer up to a dozen surveys per week. Can it only be carried out 'properly' by not asking someone's opinion?

Jim_Hodge · 15-10-2020 09:58PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Do NI resident Irish citizens pay the RTE license fee? Maybe they do but I doubt it.

.

Of course they don't.

jojofizzio · 15-10-2020 09:58PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Do NI resident Irish citizens pay the RTE license fee? Maybe they do but I doubt it.

Anyway my point, that I should have made clearer, was if the correspondent was NOT resident in Belfast, WTF was he doing reporting from there, given the restrictions on non RTE staff. ie the rest of us. Guessing he is living up there. God help him.

I’d say he does....just based on the fact that he’s their go-to guy for all stories from NI

Polar101 · 15-10-2020 09:58PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fvck pilots being advised to rethink and reskill in UK. "You could work in cyber".
People are not happy. Don't have an alternative.

Some decent memes out there about the reskill, particularly the Fatima one.

polesheep · 15-10-2020 09:59PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not sure what you're getting at.

I'm on the panel for a few survey companies and answer up to a dozen surveys per week. Can it only be carried out 'properly' by not asking someone's opinion?

The very existence of a panel makes them useless.

It can only be carried out properly by seeking the opinion of the entire population on a random basis.

Akesh · 15-10-2020 10:00PM

majcos wrote: »

I am specifically discussing the group of people who were admitted to ICU, not the overall deaths. I am just pointing out that even though those admitted to ICU in UK were younger and relatively well, almost 40% in UK ICUs died. I am trying to figure out why there is a difference in mortality rates in Irish and UK ICUs.

Agree that independence without requiring assistance for daily activities does not mean you do not have underlying health conditions but it does mean that the people who were admitted to ICUs in the UK were not in nursing homes or at home with home help or family carers. If you are capable of looking after yourself without any help, then you are less likely to expect to die in the immediate future.

I think that statistic points out that it was not people who were in nursing homes who were admitted to ICU in UK but people who were in their own homes. The mean age of people admitted to ICU in the UK was 58.8 with median age of 60. Almost 40% of this relatively younger group died in ICU. This is well below average life expectancy.

15.1% of people admitted to UK ICUs between ages 16 and 39 died, 21.6% between 40-49, 33.3% of those between 50 to 59.

Yes, but as I stated the vast majority of people of those ages dying had underlying health conditions. 95% of deaths had an underlying health condition according to the CSO. The average age of fatalities related to Covid-19 in England and Wales is 82.4 according to the ONS.

jojofizzio · 15-10-2020 10:00PM

Why is Meeriam purring at Michael McGrath on Prime Time?

Messi19 · 15-10-2020 10:01PM

polesheep wrote: »

All of them.

Nope

Funsterdelux · 15-10-2020 10:01PM

jojofizzio wrote: »

Why is Meeriam purring at Michael McGrath on Prime Time?

Mick "Tom Cat" McGrath?

She also wants an end date

Hurrache · 15-10-2020 10:01PM

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

I see the " Leo cohort " have arrived .

Leo overruled Tony and co / stuck the boot in / publicity stunt .

The buck stops with Leo .

It's been a while since the buck stopped with him, he's not the Taoiseach.

JP Liz V1 · 15-10-2020 10:03PM

polesheep wrote: »

The poor postmen. Everyone knows the postman always rings twice.

Or the milkman Pat Mustard

MOR316 · 15-10-2020 10:03PM

Michael McGrath looks like Bobby from King of The Hill

"Will anyone lift Sam this year? - Miriam with her probing questions

jojofizzio · 15-10-2020 10:04PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Nope

Pods,not entire classes

hotmail.com · 15-10-2020 10:05PM

RTE mandated to provide coverage for the North.

Although they seem to give more coverage to American news.

manniot2 · 15-10-2020 10:05PM

Michael McGrath intent on bankrupting the country by prolonging this indefinitely. Must be great fun spending other people’s money.

Funsterdelux · 15-10-2020 10:05PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Or the milkman Pat Mustard

Dont forget postwomen or postpeople.

polesheep · 15-10-2020 10:06PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Nope

In my experience, yes. And all sent home for two weeks.

Polar101 · 15-10-2020 10:07PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1316813476401049600

My doorbell broke a while ago, and I haven't had it repaired (because 95% of the 'buzz'es I got were people looking for someone else - so I'm happy it is broken) - Leo just gave me another reason why I don't want to do it. Glad to get this kind of support from a local TD.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 10:09PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Some decent memes out there about the reskill, particularly the Fatima one.

The anger is palpable. That pilot saying he is 50K in debt due to training. Very hard for those people right now. On top of everything else. Unfortunately I don't think the solution is to get everyone back flying though.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 10:10PM

Polar101 wrote: »

My doorbell broke a while ago, and I haven't had it repaired (because 95% of the 'buzz'es I got were people looking for someone else - so I'm happy it is broken) - Leo just gave me another reason why I don't want to do it. Glad to get this kind of support from a local TD.

Thank god I carry a set of keys and never ring my doorbell. It must be walking with the virus. I'm guilty of using the odd fork though. I'll try cut back on that for the sake of the nation

Solutions out there though.
https://twitter.com/LockheedMartin/status/600390440945352707?s=20

jojofizzio · 15-10-2020 10:12PM

Polar101 wrote: »

My doorbell broke a while ago, and I haven't had it repaired (because 95% of the 'buzz'es I got were people looking for someone else - so I'm happy it is broken) - Leo just gave me another reason why I don't want to do it. Glad to get this kind of support from a local TD.

I remember at the start of all this,someone recommended hitting the doorbell with your elbow...:)

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 10:12PM

I do not understand how anyone could watch RTE. But am enjoying the updates from that incestuous place, meaning who you know, not what you know and familial stuff.

Dee 4 Forbes might need to present herself socially distanced at a Dail Committee some day. Idiot, knowing that the likes of Ray Darcy and Joe whatsit on near a million between them are pure drivel.

We do not complain enough. Wrong thread I guess. Sorry now!

Messi19 · 15-10-2020 10:17PM

polesheep wrote: »

In my experience, yes. And all sent home for two weeks.

I'm impressed. Rare common sense. School's call or HSE?

Jim_Hodge · 15-10-2020 10:18PM

polesheep wrote: »

The very existence of a panel makes them useless.

It can only be carried out properly by seeking the opinion of the entire population on a random basis.

You'd argue with your shadow.

There are literally dozens of companies taking random demographic samples for research every day of the week. The same people don't always get asked the same questions by the same survey company each time.

Have you make yourself available to be randomly surveyed?

majcos · 15-10-2020 10:22PM

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, but as I stated the vast majority of people of those ages dying had underlying health conditions. 95% of deaths had an underlying health condition according to the CSO. The average age of fatalities related to Covid-19 in England and Wales is 82.4 according to the ONS.

I am questioning why there is a difference between mortality rate in Irish versus UK ICUs. This difference between the ICU mortality rates has nothing to do with the demographics of the overall cohort of people who died.

Again, the mean of age of people who were admitted to ICU was 58.8 with a median of 60. These were not 82.4 years old. The INARC also gives a breakdown of the underlying medical illnesses of those admitted to ICU and the percentage of those with severe underlying disease is very small. If someone had a terminal illness or very severe underlying medical condition, regardless of how young they are, they would be far less likely to be admitted to ICU.

Regarding the 95% figure of the overall cohort of people who died with an underlying health condition, this includes every medical condition regardless or not of that condition having an impact on life expectancy. If someone has hypertension and it is well controlled on one tablet, there should not be a major difference in their life expectancy compared to the rest of the population. If you right off everyone with underlying medical conditions, that would take out at least half of the adult population in Ireland.

The age and underlying conditions of the overall group of people who died of Covid-19 has nothing to do with my post musing about why there is a difference in ICU mortality rates between two relatively similar countries.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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