Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Treepole · 15-10-2020 02:26PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

What would common sense say?

Less of the "smart" comments. It actually depends on why the person is waiting for a test. If they are waiting for a test as they have been deemed a close contact but not displaying any symptoms then the others in the house do not need to stay at home.

jackal · 15-10-2020 02:30PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

Blaming the government is a cop out.

Defeated how? What does that even mean?

Cases are flying up all across Europe, what have we as individuals done wrong?

odyssey06 · 15-10-2020 02:31PM

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno. If you take any over 60, anyone working in healthcare and anyone working in education, you've got a fair chunk before adding in things like diabetes, obesity and the other risk factors.

I'm pretty sure as someone in early 30s and working in IT so can work from home, I'll be right down the pecking order. But once you start coving that population, so lets say 1.5-2m in Ireland, should be much easier for us down the pecking order to live normally again as chance of us passing it someone vulnerable will be lower

We have met the vulnerable, and they are us.

People belonging to "priority groups" could be over 200 million of the EU population of 450 million...
Vaccines should be made available first to the most vulnerable groups, which include healthcare and long-term care facility workers, people over 60, people with chronic diseases, essential workers, and more disadvantaged socioeconomic groups.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1015/1171689-eu-commission-cases/

Jinglejangle69 · 15-10-2020 02:32PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I wouldn't say defeated but I agree it would be completely under control.

Sorry thats what I meant.

As in very few restrictions as the hospitals could cope.

Jinglejangle69 · 15-10-2020 02:32PM

jackal wrote: »

Defeated how? What does that even mean?

Cases are flying up all across Europe, what have we as individuals done wrong?

Where do I start?

speckle · 15-10-2020 02:34PM

Jenna James wrote: »

I live alone and I’m really struggling with this though I am in support of this restriction as I see so many neighbours with droves of people calling and no mask wearing.

I’m in my 30’s, you don’t have to be elderly to be lonely. I don’t even feel my gels and family truly understand the isolation.

It would be great if something could be introduced that might strike the right balance but I haven’t had anyone in the house for weeks. It just feels a bit sketchy tbh.

Everybody has different feelings about risk. My friends are all in the high risk catagory and have decided our mental health just as important. We have been following the guidlines to a t but now we are going to used the compassionate guidelines to meet up safely. We are probably more used to the concept of infection control and disease transmission then others. Many of us have to negioate life with more risk assements than others here.

If your not feeling great and the loneliness is starting to impinge on your mental health take action. loneliness may lead to a lowered immune system aswell as depression and feelings of depersonalisation or worse in a minority.

So start with calls, zoom and skype.
Talk to your neighbours or get to know them over the garden wall.
Buddy up with another solo person.
Meet outside in park or cafe.
Boards.ie has a covid a mental thread section and a thread for those living by themselves
Also a help line list.

If think you are getting worse consider tslking to a friend,gp, counselor or samaritans.
If things really getting negative then use the compassionate grounds. Actualky, don't let it go that far, nip it in the bud.

Some people with families here don't realise that there are people due to geography that haven't seen a family member in 9 months or because they are high risk or might not drive haven't even seen their friends during the lower restrictions.
What you are feeling is a totally normal reaction/emotion to your present situation. You are not alone in this.

Pm myself if you like or I hope to see you over on the threads I mentioned were solo people share great ideas or even just how lonely they feel. Big hug from the otherside of the internet.

AlphaDelta1 · 15-10-2020 02:34PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

Blaming the government is a cop out.

It's just human nature in this country it seems. I'm not saying the government has done everything right but i guess what are witnessing now is a result of decades of our citizens being unable to own their own problems and act like grown up's.

I love Ireland but by Jesus some people need to listen to what the late John F. Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country"

Beasty · 15-10-2020 02:37PM

manniot2 wrote: »

a guard friend tells me we are going into full lockdown within 2 weeks.

Unsubstantiated allegation. This is pure speculation

Do not post any such claims without a verifiable source (and your friend is not such a source, and indeed is not in a position to know regardless)

funnydoggy · 15-10-2020 02:38PM

Kasey_Don wrote: »

They died.

Stat is pointless.

How do you know this?

JDD · 15-10-2020 02:42PM

Kasey_Don wrote: »

They died.

Stat is pointless.

Do you personally know someone who died in ICU?

We have a 70% survival rate of patients that are admitted to the ICU, so it's much more likely that he or she recovered rather than died.

If you do know the person that died, I am very sorry for your loss.

speckle · 15-10-2020 02:42PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

These of course are only guidelines.
So instead of millions asking the government can we do this, can we do that etc... the government issue guidelines. They have stated compassionate grounds are acceptable. Now, you can just ring up and ask them to define that or give you're story and ask if that's ok. Use common sense.

If you have a depressed friend, then of course it's acceptable to pop in and have a chat. But then you have other's saying he'd be less depressed if a gang of mates went into his house with a lot of beer and they all stayed hours drinking. The latter you could argue is compassionate grounds, but certainly not in the spirit of the guidelines.
The front garden, I believe is, stand there and another neighbor arrives and stands in the garden, last think you know there's a dozen people chatting in the garden and then it rains.... they all end up inside the house etc..

As the CMO said recently, the government can't be washing your hands or putting a mask on for you.

And my answer to that is I only control my behaviour it is up to others what they do. Cant live on what if's of other peoples behaviour.

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 02:44PM

JDD wrote: »

Do you personally know someone who died in ICU?

We have a 70% survival rate of patients that are admitted to the ICU, so it's much more likely that he or she recovered rather than died.

If you do know the person that died, I am very sorry for your loss.

The HSE have said it's a death so recovery seems unlikely at this stage.

Jenna James · 15-10-2020 02:46PM

speckle wrote: »

Everybody has different feelings about risk. My friends are all in the high risk catagory and have decided our mental health just as important. We have been following the guidlines to a t but now we are going to used the compassionate guidelines to meet up safely. We are probably more used to the concept of infection control and disease transmission then others. Many of us have to negioate life with more risk assements than others here.

If your not feeling great and the loneliness is starting to impinge on your mental health take action. loneliness may lead to a lowered immune system aswell as depression and feelings of depersonalisation or worse in a minority.

So start with calls, zoom and skype.
Talk to your neighbours or get to know them over the garden wall.
Buddy up with another solo person.
Meet outside in park or cafe.
Boards.ie has a covid a mental thread section and a thread for those living by themselves
Also a help line list.

If think you are getting worse consider tslking to a friend,gp, counselor or samaritans.
If things really getting negative then use the compassionate grounds. Actualky, don't let it go that far, nip it in the bud.

Some people with families here don't realise that there are people due to geography that haven't seen a family member in 9 months or because they are high risk or might not drive haven't even seen their friends during the lower restrictions.
What you are feeling is a totally normal reaction/emotion to your present situation. You are not alone in this.

Pm myself if you like or I hope to see you over on the threads I mentioned were solo people share great ideas or even just how lonely they feel. Big hug from the otherside of the internet.

Thank you for the great post and offer. You’re very kind ðŸ˜Š

I pretty much do everything I can but obviously there are times when it’s not possible to ‘self-soothe’ by whatever means. At times it all becomes too much and the overwhelm is immense. I know this is true of many regardless of living alone or not.

I think I feel lowest when there’s no-one to just bounce things off such as the daily numbers or a restriction increase but I usually have someone to pick the phone up to. It just isn’t the same sometimes!

I’m in regular contact with Samaritans, I would be lost without them!

The Nal · 15-10-2020 02:47PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

No we wouldn't. This virus is here forever.

Sofa King Great wrote: »

It doesn't sat they cannot see anyone. It says they cannot see anyone in their home. There are plenty of places to meet people for a walk etc

Ooh that sounds like fun.

caveat emptor · 15-10-2020 02:52PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Any of the cases of reinfection I've read about have had a mild 1st infection, and likely antidbodies have faded. So, not sure ADE is an issue here. Still, you are right, one to watch.

Not in this instance in the US.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.22.20192443v1.full.pdf

Taken together, these findings suggest that poorly developed or waned antibodies against the D614 virus formed after primary infection in March were not protective against reinfection with the D614G spike variant acquired in July. These results could have important implications for the success of vaccine programs based on the Wuhan strain.
Fortunately for our patient, the reinfection was more mild than was the primary infection, in contrast to the Nevada case.

Good resource collating information on reinfection.

weldoninhio · 15-10-2020 02:53PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

Blaming the government is a cop out.

What countries, specifically, has this happened in?:rolleyes:

15-10-2020 02:54PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The HSE have said it's a death so recovery seems unlikely at this stage.

I shouldn't but..

Jinglejangle69 · 15-10-2020 02:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

What countries, specifically, has this happened in?:rolleyes:

OK I already said I mean under control.

Like many countries.

And there would be no need for restrictions because hospitals could cope.

IrishStuff09 · 15-10-2020 02:59PM

Swab data for today (15/10)

Positive Swabs|Positivity|Total Swabs
966|7.19%|13,428

MerlinSouthDub · 15-10-2020 03:00PM

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Swab data for today (15/10)

Positive Swabs|Positivity|Total Swabs
966|7.19%|13,428

Thanks. Nice to see swabs below 1000, but fewer tests so no change really.

weldoninhio · 15-10-2020 03:00PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

OK I already said I mean under control.

Like many countries.

And there would be no need for restrictions because hospitals could cope.

Ah grand, what countries, specifically, are those??

JDD · 15-10-2020 03:03PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The HSE have said it's a death so recovery seems unlikely at this stage.

Oh jaypers, didn't know that. Sorry.

MerlinSouthDub · 15-10-2020 03:03PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Not in this instance in the US.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.22.20192443v1.full.pdf

Good resource collating information on reinfection.

Thank you - the reinfections to date are a somewhat confusing picture!

CIARAN_BOYLE · 15-10-2020 03:03PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Thanks. Nice to see swabs below 1000, but fewer tests so no change really.

Few tests on the day Paul Reid said out capacity is 18k a day.

seamus · 15-10-2020 03:03PM

The best we can say is that there has been no appreciable change in positivity rate in the last five days. All in around 7.5%

My hope that we're at or near the peak of the current surge remains undashed.

DebDynamite · 15-10-2020 03:05PM

Good to see now people speaking out about how the restrictions are unfair on people who live alone

https://www.thejournal.ie/support-bubbles-ireland-5233871-Oct2020/

iamwhoiam · 15-10-2020 03:05PM

Well I for one am livid .Livid with the HSE for not getting its act together when numbers were low and getting tracking and tracing up and running efficiently .Livid with people who gathered in houses, in crowds , after matches, clucked in groups after dropping kids to school .Livid with young people who gather in huge crowds on greens and couldnt be arsed moving aside when I want to pass them on a path .Livid that the Government cannot spend money on where its needed for bed capacity and health services . Livid with anyone who thinks they are far too important to abide by the rules and stay bloody out of my space in a shop

I did everything asked of me and still do and what did that get me ? Back to no visitors or no one in my garden ? So I cant meet my friend in my garden 10 feet apart but can talk to my neighbour over the garden wall at 6 feet because she is not in my garden ?
It wont matter if they call it Level 903 because the same arseh~les will flaunt it anyway and do as they damn please /.

eigrod · 15-10-2020 03:08PM

seamus wrote: »

The best we can say is that there has been no appreciable change in positivity rate in the last five days. All in around 7.5%

My hope that we're at or near the peak of the current surge remains undashed.

763 in NI today, so hopefully, like you say, we are at or near peak now and the new restrictions will have a further positive impact next week.

GazzaL · 15-10-2020 03:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

CEO of HSE said testing capacity is now 18,000 per day or 126,000 per week

Did he say how long it takes to get results, how effective their contact tracing is, and how they plan to increase hospital and ICU capacity?

Jinglejangle69 · 15-10-2020 03:10PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

What countries, specifically, has this happened in?:rolleyes:

Finland, Australia, Vietnam to name a few.

Fans at the Ireland Finland game yesterday.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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