Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Away With The Fairies · 15-10-2020 01:54PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Really? After all the discussion you taken past six months you need to ask that?

Looked at different section of HSE website and got my answer.

Duke of Url · 15-10-2020 01:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

-1 in ICU today.

Did they survive?

Jenna James · 15-10-2020 01:55PM

speckle wrote: »

I would have added bubbles for those living alone, like other countrys...you have to balance the restrictions with other public health issues. And I am not going to expect for example an 80 year to meet me out on a cold cafe or allow a friend who is depressed to have to break down in public and cry in front of everyone. That is common sense and precautions can be taken. And nothing wrong with front gardens either. It is starting to alienating people who have been careful all along, And they the majority need to be kept onside.

And oh how many of those clusters could have been nipped in the bud with properly funded and staffed contact tracing.

I live alone and I’m really struggling with this though I am in support of this restriction as I see so many neighbours with droves of people calling and no mask wearing.

I’m in my 30’s, you don’t have to be elderly to be lonely. I don’t even feel my gels and family truly understand the isolation.

It would be great if something could be introduced that might strike the right balance but I haven’t had anyone in the house for weeks. It just feels a bit sketchy tbh.

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 01:56PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Did they survive?

I think it's a death tbh - 2 admissions, 2 discharges. net -1 means a death

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 01:57PM

CEO of HSE said testing capacity is now 18,000 per day or 126,000 per week

JDD · 15-10-2020 01:58PM

I'm actually beginning to agree on the "sooner rather than later" argument.

I am of the opinion that only the minimum amount of restrictions should be imposed to achieve an objective. I like my freedoms and I think you should always look skeptically on proposals to reduce your freedoms. I don't think we should skip steps and go all the way to full lockdown just because it's "easier for the masses to understand" or "well, infections could stabilise, or infections could get way worse so lets go to full lockdown to minimise the risk they could get way worse".

It seems apparent to me, now, that hospitalisations are exponentially increasing. While in early September I wasn't so concerned with the increasing infection numbers, because it appeared to be a lower age profile getting infected and the positive tests seemed to be coming from mass factory testing of which there appeared to be a higher proportion of asymptomatic cases. I knew that younger people, and asymptomatic cases were unlikely to end up in hospital. I did not think that it was a foregone conclusion that those younger people would inevitably infect the older and vulnerable categories. I thought that we should wait and see whether that happened, and it would be wrong to impose further restrictions at that point to minimise the risk of something that wasn't an inevitability.

However, it seems that the increase in the R number has meant that the net of infections has widened much more than I expected. The numbers in hospital does appear to indicate that we have lost control of the virus. This was always a risk when we were trying to find a balance between restrictions and assisting the economy.

We are where we are now. As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like our hospitals will be overwhelmed within a month. I don't think there is ANY other alternative to a full lockdown for a short period of time. And while I desperately wanted the schools to stay open, it is a nonsense to keep them completely open in a full lockdown situation. There are alternatives for at-risk children and children of front line workers, many of which have been discussed on the schools thread.

I personally have resigned myself to agreeing with a further full lockdown. If we do it now, for four to six weeks, we'll be able to do more things at Christmas. I think that's as acceptable a trade off that we can hope for right now.

lawrencesummers · 15-10-2020 01:59PM

Gael23 wrote: »

-1 in ICU today.

Hopefully they came out in a bed not a box.

speckle · 15-10-2020 01:59PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

Shame on some of the replys you got here. Even if you have been on boards since the beginning of covid, it can be a stressful time if potentially covid hits your house and hse website is still a bit of a mess.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html

Scroll down to the bit about if you have somone in your house with symptoms or wsiting on a test. Then scroll back up to the top of the page to see what you actually do. good luck and good health.

VinLieger · 15-10-2020 02:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think it's a death tbh - 2 admissions, 2 discharges. net -1 means a death

They could have gone to a normal bed too

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 02:02PM

VinLieger wrote: »

They could have gone to a normal bed too

Discharge = moved to a normal bed

JP Liz V1 · 15-10-2020 02:04PM

Paul Reid - There continues to be a very concerning trend in hospital numbers.

238 in hospital, 29 in ICU.

DebDynamite · 15-10-2020 02:04PM

Jenna James wrote: »

I live alone and I’m really struggling with this though I am in support of this restriction as I see so many neighbours with droves of people calling and no mask wearing.

I’m in my 30’s, you don’t have to be elderly to be lonely. I don’t even feel my gels and family truly understand the isolation.

It would be great if something could be introduced that might strike the right balance but I haven’t had anyone in the house for weeks. It just feels a bit sketchy tbh.

Tbh, I feel the no visitors to your home is the only way they can cut down on gatherings and social occasions in homes. If there’s absolutely no one allowed, rather than the previous 6 people, it’ll be fairly obvious to the neighbours if people are visiting people’s homes. In a way, I feel it’s to shame people into not having multiple people visit.

I’m a single person who lives alone. I was planning on visiting a friend who also lives alone this weekend, and I intend to still do that. The likes of these visits are not the problem, so I refuse to not have any social contact with anyone for the next month (at least), as i’ve not met with anyone for a few weeks now as it is.

Benimar · 15-10-2020 02:06PM

Clayton Bitter Windbreak wrote: »

sorry for asking again but cant find confirmation anywhere. is outdoor team training (non contact) still allowed in L3 counties given you can only meet upto 2 different households in a park under new measures?

Short answer is yes.

However, Micheal pretty much put all sports clubs on a last warning last night. Adhere to restrictions (non-contact, social distancing, max 15 etc) or they will close up shop for everyone. Therefore I can't see training survive much longer.

Eod100 · 15-10-2020 02:07PM

Kasey_Don wrote: »

Was just reading there on RTE about vaccines and the European Commission said this:

Pretty mad tbh.

I guess if asthma, diabetes, cystic fibrosis, heart conditions etc all included could add up

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 02:07PM

speckle wrote: »

I would have added bubbles for those living alone, like other countrys...you have to balance the restrictions with other public health issues. And I am not going to expect for example an 80 year to meet me out on a cold cafe or allow a friend who is depressed to have to break down in public and cry in front of everyone. That is common sense and precautions can be taken. And nothing wrong with front gardens either. It is starting to alienating people who have been careful all along, And they the majority need to be kept onside.

And oh how many of those clusters could have been nipped in the bud with properly funded and staffed contact tracing.

These of course are only guidelines.
So instead of millions asking the government can we do this, can we do that etc... the government issue guidelines. They have stated compassionate grounds are acceptable. Now, you can just ring up and ask them to define that or give you're story and ask if that's ok. Use common sense.

If you have a depressed friend, then of course it's acceptable to pop in and have a chat. But then you have other's saying he'd be less depressed if a gang of mates went into his house with a lot of beer and they all stayed hours drinking. The latter you could argue is compassionate grounds, but certainly not in the spirit of the guidelines.
The front garden, I believe is, stand there and another neighbor arrives and stands in the garden, last think you know there's a dozen people chatting in the garden and then it rains.... they all end up inside the house etc..

As the CMO said recently, the government can't be washing your hands or putting a mask on for you.

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 02:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

CEO of HSE said testing capacity is now 18,000 per day or 126,000 per week

Oh no that's terrible news.

ACitizenErased wrote:

Is it ridiculous to suggest increased testing has resulted in increase cases across Europe?
That seems to be the only common denominator over the past two months.

The Nal · 15-10-2020 02:09PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Tbh, I feel the no visitors to your home is the only way they can cut down on gatherings and social occasions in homes. If there’s absolutely no one allowed, rather than the previous 6 people, it’ll be fairly obvious to the neighbours if people are visiting people’s homes. In a way, I feel it’s to shame people into not having multiple people visit.

The no visitors thing is wrong. 1 household was fine, very low risk.

But telling people living alone, elderly people etc that they can't see anyone for a month is bananas.

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-10-2020 02:12PM

JDD wrote: »

I'm actually beginning to agree on the "sooner rather than later" argument.

I am of the opinion that only the minimum amount of restrictions should be imposed to achieve an objective. I like my freedoms and I think you should always look skeptically on proposals to reduce your freedoms. I don't think we should skip steps and go all the way to full lockdown just because it's "easier for the masses to understand" or "well, infections could stabilise, or infections could get way worse so lets go to full lockdown to minimise the risk they could get way worse".

It seems apparent to me, now, that hospitalisations are exponentially increasing. While in early September I wasn't so concerned with the increasing infection numbers, because it appeared to be a lower age profile getting infected and the positive tests seemed to be coming from mass factory testing of which there appeared to be a higher proportion of asymptomatic cases. I knew that younger people, and asymptomatic cases were unlikely to end up in hospital. I did not think that it was a foregone conclusion that those younger people would inevitably infect the older and vulnerable categories. I thought that we should wait and see whether that happened, and it would be wrong to impose further restrictions at that point to minimise the risk of something that wasn't an inevitability.

However, it seems that the increase in the R number has meant that the net of infections has widened much more than I expected. The numbers in hospital does appear to indicate that we have lost control of the virus. This was always a risk when we were trying to find a balance between restrictions and assisting the economy.

We are where we are now. As much as I hate to admit it, it looks like our hospitals will be overwhelmed within a month. I don't think there is ANY other alternative to a full lockdown for a short period of time. And while I desperately wanted the schools to stay open, it is a nonsense to keep them completely open in a full lockdown situation. There are alternatives for at-risk children and children of front line workers, many of which have been discussed on the schools thread.

I personally have resigned myself to agreeing with a further full lockdown. If we do it now, for four to six weeks, we'll be able to do more things at Christmas. I think that's as acceptable a trade off that we can hope for right now.

Your sentiment is correct however 4 to 6 weeks will make no impact. It will have to be 12 weeks minimum. This is based on real life evidence from lockdowns around the world to date.

Is there an appetite in the public for this? I don't think so, especially as it will encompass Christmas.

AlphaDelta1 · 15-10-2020 02:14PM

The_Brood wrote: »

Nope. The virus is a challenge but absolutely something that could have been managed and contained by world authorities. What we are suffering now is a direct consequence of incompetence and electing time and time again complete clowns who only care about themselves and special interests.

Nope. It's lack of personal responsibility. The government can only do so much.

At the end of the day be it Colin and Laura in Donnybrook having cocaine dinner parties or Jacinta and Wacko in Finglas having a dutch gold party unless people grow up and act like adults this will go on and on.

This virus has exposed all that's wrong about the self entitled nature of many western societies compared to the socially responsible way the citizens of places like Vietnam, Korea, China etc.. come together in times of need.

frank8211 · 15-10-2020 02:17PM

Benimar wrote: »

Short answer is yes.

However, Micheal pretty much put all sports clubs on a last warning last night. Adhere to restrictions (non-contact, social distancing, max 15 etc) or they will close up shop for everyone. Therefore I can't see training survive much longer.

about time the carry on at that training was stopped

Jenna James · 15-10-2020 02:18PM

Cork Covid-19 unit closed as staff are sick or awaiting results.

Examiner, sorry can’t link.

Inquitus · 15-10-2020 02:20PM

Jenna James wrote: »

Cork Covid-19 unit closed as staff are sick or awaiting results.

Examiner, sorry can’t link.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40065155.html

Jinglejangle69 · 15-10-2020 02:20PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Nope. It's lack of personal responsibility. The government can only do so much.

At the end of the day be it Colin and Laura in Donnybrook having cocaine dinner parties or Jacinta and Wacko in Finglas having a dutch gold party unless people grow up and act like adults this will go on and on.

This virus has exposed all that's wrong about the self entitled nature of many western societies compared to the socially responsible way the citizens of places like Vietnam, Korea, China etc.. come together in times of need.

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

Blaming the government is a cop out.

froog · 15-10-2020 02:22PM

jesus CUH sounds awful right now. really feel for the staff there.

Sofa King Great · 15-10-2020 02:22PM

The Nal wrote: »

The no visitors thing is wrong. 1 household was fine, very low risk.

But telling people living alone, elderly people etc that they can't see anyone for a month is bananas.

It doesn't sat they cannot see anyone. It says they cannot see anyone in their home. There are plenty of places to meet people for a walk etc

JP Liz V1 · 15-10-2020 02:22PM

Schools:

Right-pointing triangle 384 facilities have had mass testing.
Right-pointing triangle 9,345 tested - students and teachers.
Right-pointing triangle Positivity of 1.9%

Duke of Url · 15-10-2020 02:23PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Exactly.

If everyone did what they know they should be doing we would have this virus defeated already.

Blaming the government is a cop out.

I wouldn't say defeated but I agree it would be completely under control.

Deshawn · 15-10-2020 02:24PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well they already have temperature scanning cameras at the door, which can also detect if you were wearing a mask when you scan through, and send a mail to your manager if you're not. The implanted RFID would make it much more efficient, negating the requirement to scan in. I will suggest it at the next continuous improvement review thanks.

I think you should. How about a location tracker that fits snugly into your underpants in the meantime?

Can't have worker drones wandering around of their own accord

josip · 15-10-2020 02:24PM

Clayton Bitter Windbreak wrote: »

sorry for asking again but cant find confirmation anywhere. is outdoor team training (non contact) still allowed in L3 counties given you can only meet upto 2 different households in a park under new measures?

Still allowed up for groups of up to 15 and is also allowed in Level 4 as far as I know.
(Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong)

DebDynamite · 15-10-2020 02:26PM

The Nal wrote: »

The no visitors thing is wrong. 1 household was fine, very low risk.

But telling people living alone, elderly people etc that they can't see anyone for a month is bananas.

Agreed. If there was a guarantee it was only 1 month it may not be so bad. Not to mention the social isolation we had for months back at the beginning of this...

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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