Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

speckle · 15-10-2020 01:17PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1315457818200338433

Even Penneys isnt that bad :eek:

Well, they all seem to be wearing masks and they are meant to work and hopefully they all have antibodies. And if your hungry etc.. you do what you have to do... if your in the 95% were you wont get seriously sick. Just as long as no one at home high risk but they have to eat too.

Crazy but they know the risks considering how covid impacted their country.

Polar101 · 15-10-2020 01:20PM

speckle wrote: »

Well, they all seem to be wearing masks and they are meant to work and hopefully they all have antibodies.

There might be an issue with the lack of social distancing.

Hector Savage · 15-10-2020 01:24PM

From last week saying schools aren't responsible for growing cases in Spain, now they say they are ...

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-15/what-is-behind-the-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-in-catalonia.html

clown world

xhomelezz · 15-10-2020 01:26PM

https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/czech-military-to-set-up-out-of-hospital-beds-for-covid-19-patients

Seriously hope we won't end up that far. The question is are our restrictions aimed right way?

speckle · 15-10-2020 01:27PM

Polar101 wrote: »

There might be an issue with the lack of social distancing.

Just a tad lack of social distancing:D
That's why I am hoping they have antibodies, fingers crossed.;)

kingshankly · 15-10-2020 01:31PM

alentejo wrote: »

I feel really sorry for children in all this.

My only child daughter has a choice this weekend aged 9.

Was planning for her to meet 3 friends in a park this weekend at 3 oc to celebrate a birthday (an hour simply to say hi and give a small gift)
This is not allowed now.

However, my daughter can train for camogie in a pod of up to 15 people on the same day.

Just seems very unfair.

Have the party at camogie??

B.A._Baracus · 15-10-2020 01:35PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I think the only way to get the numbers down is to follow the guidelines and take personal responsibility.

You would think that and you'd be right. However there's people out there who were throwing parties ... Not washing their hands etc.

There'll always be people who won't follow guidelines. They're the ones who'll be getting it and passing it on.

Wolf359f · 15-10-2020 01:36PM

So to people upset about not being able to visit friends/families homes, but they can still met for a coffee etc...
This is the most recent outbreak/cluster report: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week412020_web%20version_v1.0_13102020.pdf
A total of 522 clusters/outbreaks in that week.
Of which 374 are from a private household/extended family (71.6% of the total)
and only 34 from workplace/retail/cafe (6.5%)
So in order to cut off the chain of transmission, you don't want the household visitor restrictions, so what then? Close all retail, workplace, cafe's to reduce an already small number of outbreaks, while doing nothing to stop the household transmission?

I'm baffled why some people can't understand the restrictions. Yes it may seem odd/unfair that you can't have a coffee in a friends house, but you can have a coffee with them at a cafe.... but going by the outbreaks/clusters maybe cafe's are a little bit safer for a myriad of reasons.
So either the Government does nothing, closes workplaces/retail/cafes or restricts home social visits, what would people prefer?

GazzaL · 15-10-2020 01:37PM

Ryanair closing their bases in Cork and Shannon airports is a disaster for both regions and all the businesses and people that depend on connectivity.

#ThanksTony

Ger Roe · 15-10-2020 01:38PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So to people upset about not being able to visit friends/families homes, but they can still met for a coffee etc...
This is the most recent outbreak/cluster report: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week412020_web%20version_v1.0_13102020.pdf
A total of 522 clusters/outbreaks in that week.
Of which 374 are from a private household/extended family (71.6% of the total)
and only 34 from workplace/retail/cafe (6.5%)
So in order to cut off the chain of transmission, you don't want the household visitor restrictions, so what then? Close all retail, workplace, cafe's to reduce an already small number of outbreaks, while doing nothing to stop the household transmission?

I'm baffled why some people can't understand the restrictions. Yes it may seem odd/unfair that you can't have a coffee in a friends house, but you can have a coffee with them at a cafe.... but going by the outbreaks/clusters maybe cafe's are a little bit safer for a myriad of reasons.
So either the Government does nothing, closes workplaces/retail/cafes or restricts home social visits, what would people prefer?

'All or nothing' ... seems to be the only instruction guideline that some people understand.

B.A._Baracus · 15-10-2020 01:39PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

At this stage I'm afraid I think we're heading for some sort of a lockdown eventually anyway, so I'd rather do it sooner than later. Bigger impact, less time needed.
That was the lesson from March.

They're giving this a go because it's ostensibly a freebie. Little or no impact on the economy.

You're right though, it will have some impact. It just seems to be negligible in Scotland.

I agree. I personally think we are on course for a total lockdown.

Let's just do it now and get it over? So the shops can open up for Christmas. People can invite people over for Christmas.

We are basically 6 weeks away from December 1st. Let's just do it. Why tip-toe around with level 3 but with some level 4 measures.

weldoninhio · 15-10-2020 01:39PM

speckle wrote: »

yes. Just take precautions, if you can sit in a backgarden the better or inside all windows open. Ppe if they or you are high risk. Biggest room, chair same one each time, furthest away, bring a flask of tea.etc.

I did the same last night for a friend and will continue to do so.

Otherwise we will be damaging the very people we are meant to be protecting and the reaction to this disease will not be worth it. I think the government have forgotten this.
Compassionate visits exempted remember that line.

Jesus, could you not borrow a hyperbaric chamber while you were at it??

Dayor Knight · 15-10-2020 01:40PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Ryanair closing their bases in Cork and Shannon airports is a disaster for both regions and all the businesses and people that depend on connectivity.

#ThanksTony

Thank the virus.

Duke of Url · 15-10-2020 01:40PM

alentejo wrote: »

I feel really sorry for children in all this.

My only child daughter has a choice this weekend aged 9.

Was planning for her to meet 3 friends in a park this weekend at 3 oc to celebrate a birthday (an hour simply to say hi and give a small gift)
This is not allowed now.

However, my daughter can train for camogie in a pod of up to 15 people on the same day.

Just seems very unfair.

Your 9 year old daughter doesn't have a choice, You have the choice and bare the responsibility as a parent.

Send your daughter to the birthday.

Send your daughter to camogie.

Send your daughter to both.

Send your daughter to neither.

3 of the 4 contain risk which of course you already know.

Eod100 · 15-10-2020 01:41PM

Early days but hopefully a sign one of the vaccines will work and be mass distributed in time https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1316718823526019072?s=19

weldoninhio · 15-10-2020 01:41PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Honest question: Does visiting somebody who lives alone and whose mental health has taken a horrifying nosedive over the last six months of near total isolation count as "compassionate grounds"? My best friend is in this situation and I have absolutely no intention of abandoning her. It really astonishes me that the mental health aspects of social loneliness aren't being addressed or even mentioned in the official discourse around restrictions. We're both young people who are used to living among crowds of people (we're both musicians) and the culture shock of having that vanish overnight has been horrendous; but I live with my family, she lives in an apartment by herself. Maybe it's just me, but I would classify preventing somebody from suffering the kind of isolation-induced mental decline which has been noted and verified for years in different scientific studies as an "essential" or "compassionate" visit.

As others have said, young adults and the elderly in particular are being ignored in this public discourse - as with so many other aspects of Irish policymaking, the focus completely misses the fact that many people in these demographics live alone and are not part of a family unit. Young people who aren't in a cohabiting relationship and have no children, elderly people who are single, widowed and/or have children who have left the nest. Those people will not survive much more of this and some provision needs to be made for including those types of people in the "compassionate grounds" exemptions so that one can call over for a couple of hours and a cup of coffee or tea without feeling like a criminal.

100% go see your friend. It'll be good for you and good for them. It's not criminal and if a Garda stops you tell them thanks for the advice and continue on your way. Its ridiculous that someone would even feel the need to ask this. Shows how much propaganda can effect people.

Gael23 · 15-10-2020 01:43PM

-1 in ICU today.

The_Brood · 15-10-2020 01:44PM

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Thank the virus.

Nope. The virus is a challenge but absolutely something that could have been managed and contained by world authorities. What we are suffering now is a direct consequence of incompetence and electing time and time again complete clowns who only care about themselves and special interests.

440Hertz · 15-10-2020 01:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is always a risk benefit analysis. What is of more benefit, open schools or Trick or treating? Contacts don’t have to reduce very much to halt growth. We are not at march levels with an r0 of 3+. As it is 50% or more infections are being prevented. Another 20% puts it well in decline

If anyone knocks on my door on Halloween night, it’s not being opened! Simple!

ACitizenErased · 15-10-2020 01:46PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Early days but hopefully a sign one of the vaccines will work and be mass distributed in time https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1316718823526019072?s=19

That's quite a positive statement by the EU.
Reminder there is 3 vaccines in approval stages with the EMA.

Away With The Fairies · 15-10-2020 01:46PM

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

speckle · 15-10-2020 01:46PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So to people upset about not being able to visit friends/families homes, but they can still met for a coffee etc...
This is the most recent outbreak/cluster report: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week412020_web%20version_v1.0_13102020.pdf
A total of 522 clusters/outbreaks in that week.
Of which 374 are from a private household/extended family (71.6% of the total)
and only 34 from workplace/retail/cafe (6.5%)
So in order to cut off the chain of transmission, you don't want the household visitor restrictions, so what then? Close all retail, workplace, cafe's to reduce an already small number of outbreaks, while doing nothing to stop the household transmission?

I'm baffled why some people can't understand the restrictions. Yes it may seem odd/unfair that you can't have a coffee in a friends house, but you can have a coffee with them at a cafe.... but going by the outbreaks/clusters maybe cafe's are a little bit safer for a myriad of reasons.
So either the Government does nothing, closes workplaces/retail/cafes or restricts home social visits, what would people prefer?

I would have added bubbles for those living alone, like other countrys...you have to balance the restrictions with other public health issues. And I am not going to expect for example an 80 year to meet me out on a cold cafe or allow a friend who is depressed to have to break down in public and cry in front of everyone. That is common sense and precautions can be taken. And nothing wrong with front gardens either. It is starting to alienating people who have been careful all along, And they the majority need to be kept onside.

And oh how many of those clusters could have been nipped in the bud with properly funded and staffed contact tracing.

Gael23 · 15-10-2020 01:47PM

Infection rate is 1600 per 100k in parts of the north

Duke of Url · 15-10-2020 01:48PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

What would common sense say?

celt262 · 15-10-2020 01:48PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

Come on now.

Jim_Hodge · 15-10-2020 01:50PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

Really? After all the discussion you've taken part in the past six months you need to ask that?

Panthro · 15-10-2020 01:52PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know if someone in your house is waiting for a test, do you also have to isolate? I can't get my head around the HSE website.

Looks at username..
Ponders life.

15-10-2020 01:52PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Your 9 year old daughter doesn't have a choice, You have the choice and bare the responsibility as a parent.

Send your daughter to the birthday.

Send your daughter to camogie.

Send your daughter to both.

Send your daughter to neither.

3 of the 4 contain risk which of course you already know.

The best option, in my opinion, when weighing up all factors is to send the daughter to the camogie only. The activity is good for her physical and mental health, she will maintain social contacts through the camogie and it is outdoors therefore has a massively reduced transmission risk. Outdoor training is allowed in pods as it is low risk and it is controlled. Birthday parties are uncontrolled, therefore even though some may plan really excellent measures, many would not

titan18 · 15-10-2020 01:53PM

Kasey_Don wrote: »

Was just reading there on RTE about vaccines and the European Commission said this:

Pretty mad tbh.

I dunno. If you take any over 60, anyone working in healthcare and anyone working in education, you've got a fair chunk before adding in things like diabetes, obesity and the other risk factors.

I'm pretty sure as someone in early 30s and working in IT so can work from home, I'll be right down the pecking order. But once you start coving that population, so lets say 1.5-2m in Ireland, should be much easier for us down the pecking order to live normally again as chance of us passing it someone vulnerable will be lower

TonyMaloney · 15-10-2020 01:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

-1 in ICU today.

1 death in ICU in the last 24 hours

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-14-october-2020.pdf

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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