Schools closed until February? (part 3)

irishblessing · 15-10-2020 07:37AM

Purplewaters wrote: »

I could be wrong but staff are paid purely for their time worked in schools ans 3 days are in easter for snow day catch up ans the likes. These could be used.

PW are you responding to your own comments? :pac:

combat14 · 15-10-2020 08:07AM

Taoiseach: 'It is time to go back to remote working. We know it works'

Time for schools to go online

https://www.thejournal.ie/remote-working-taoiseach-5233735-Oct2020/

HerrKuehn · 15-10-2020 08:09AM

combat14 wrote: »

Taoiseach: 'It is time to go back to remote working. We know it works'

Time for schools to go online

https://www.thejournal.ie/remote-working-taoiseach-5233735-Oct2020/

It works for some industries. It was tried in schools and it seems the only people wanting to go back to it are teachers. I would rather they shutdown and make the time up over xmas or easter. Also, didn't ASTI say no live streaming of lessons? It might work for 5th and 6th years to have half and half remote if the lessons were streamed. Seems it is not on the cards though.

lulublue22 · 15-10-2020 08:18AM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

It works for some industries. It was tried in schools and it seems the only people wanting to go back to it are teachers. I would rather they shutdown and make the time up over xmas or easter. Also, didn't ASTI say no live streaming of lessons? It might work for 5th and 6th years to have half and half remote if the lessons were streamed. Seems it is not on the cards though.

My child’s school has a system whereby you can join in to classes if you are absent - teacher has info up on the board that you can see and you can hear teacher and class and once your mic is on you can be heard. Great - until a little bollix who was out sick decided to join in and preceded to upend the lesson with his antics till the teacher had no option but to cut it off . Now I’ve no doubt he was dealt with when he returned to school but that didn’t help my child or any other child who was trying to access it from home. All these technologies are great in theory but in practice they need very high levels of cooperation from every one to succeed.

wirelessdude01 · 15-10-2020 08:27AM

See the latest cluster/outbreak reports shows that the number of school clusters/outbreaks had doubled in the previous week.

lulublue22 · 15-10-2020 08:29AM

Weepsie wrote: »

They should've been working all out to get schools / classrooms capable of streaming classes.

Teachers go in 5 days. Half class goes in 2 days, other half other 2 days. The at home days they watch/follow a stream.

Hard yes, but worth a shot.

This has also highlighted the disparity in technology access. There are an awful lot of kids/families who don't have a facility to get online at home

They should have worked out a number if options - my school context is not conducive to online learning - there is no one size fits all - our school and schools like ours should stay open. 1st 3rd and 6th years should be in school all other years remote learning. Primary schools should have a split week to reduce numbers physically in schools. There were options the gov went with all back at the same time - it’s a pity they didn’t have a planb just in case.

wirelessdude01 · 15-10-2020 08:30AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Great - until a little bollix who was out sick decided to join in and preceded to upend the lesson with his antics till the teacher had no option but to cut it off . Now I’ve no doubt he was dealt with when he returned to school but that didn’t help my child or any other child who was trying to access it from home. All these technologies are great in theory but in practice they need very high levels of cooperation from every one to succeed.

What did the 'little bollix' do?

JimmyVik · 15-10-2020 08:32AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See the latest cluster/outbreak reports shows that the number of school clusters/outbreaks had doubled in the previous week.

How is the virus getting into homes?
You would think they would be interested in that and would publish their findings. Unless its from schools in which case there is a wall of silence from them for anything to do with schools.

As someone who works with big data, I can say that its harder for them to distrubute the data in the way that they do than it would be to just publish plain transparent data.
The ONLY reason to publish and group data in the way that they are doing is not allow peer review of it.
And for a group who are having a major effect on the lives of everyone in the country, this obscuring of data is just unacceptable.
Its something Donald Trump would do.

irishblessing · 15-10-2020 08:36AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

My child’s school has a system whereby you can join in to classes if you are absent - teacher has info up on the board that you can see and you can hear teacher and class and once your mic is on you can be heard. Great - until a little bollix who was out sick decided to join in and preceded to upend the lesson with his antics till the teacher had no option but to cut it off . Now I’ve no doubt he was dealt with when he returned to school but that didn’t help my child or any other child who was trying to access it from home. All these technologies are great in theory but in practice they need very high levels of cooperation from every one to succeed.

One of my kids had two kids in the class who are utter clowns and I've been this || close to having it out with the parents myself. This started last year and they were constantly interrupting lessons to the point where I had a chat with the teacher and asked why were they not having more severe consequences such as a suspensions. It was certainly every week, sometimes every day. It's still happening. Though one of the kids this year has moved school as he called the teacher a name and teacher yelled at him so parent pulled him out. :rolleyes: Classroom control will always be an issue.

lulublue22 · 15-10-2020 08:39AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What did the 'little bollix' do?

He was making smart comments / singing / shouting etc in general being very disruptive - the rest of the class thought it was very funny. Now whether the teacher had the option of muting just him or not I don’t know but that part lesson was shut down - she was probably trying to keep the class on track

irishblessing · 15-10-2020 08:40AM

Weepsie wrote: »

They should've been working all out to get schools / classrooms capable of streaming classes.

Teachers go in 5 days. Half class goes in 2 days, other half other 2 days. The at home days they watch/follow a stream.

Hard yes, but worth a shot.

This has also highlighted the disparity in technology access. There are an awful lot of kids/families who don't have a facility to get online at home

Agree with you- wondering though exactly how many don't have facility to get online at home these days. Like at all. Is there a way we can access this information? I know the national broadband plan is working now on connecting I think it is in 3 different counties.

But perhaps those children can be in the class FT, as well as SN's students so the numbers would be very much reduced.

Lillyfae · 15-10-2020 08:56AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

He was making smart comments / singing / shouting etc in general being very disruptive - the rest of the class thought it was very funny. Now whether the teacher had the option of muting just him or not I don’t know but that part lesson was shut down - she was probably trying to keep the class on track

Of course she did, or to block him from the live feed altogether. Seems a bit silly to punish the whole class when one child was disruptive.

Smacruairi · 15-10-2020 08:59AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Of course she did, or to block him from the live feed altogether. Seems a bit silly to punish the whole class when one child was disruptive.

Really, you can make this assertion without knowing the platform being used, and the level of permissions granted to students and teachers in their accounts? That's amazing, I'm surprised that you've rushed to criticise the teacher, you're normally so positive and helpful with regards to teachers.

lulublue22 · 15-10-2020 09:08AM

irishblessing wrote: »

One of my kids had two kids in the class who are utter clowns and I've been this || close to having it out with the parents myself. This started last year and they were constantly interrupting lessons to the point where I had a chat with the teacher and asked why were they not having more severe consequences such as a suspensions. It was certainly every week, sometimes every day. It's still happening. Though one of the kids this year has moved school as he called the teacher a name and teacher yelled at him so parent pulled him out. :rolleyes: Classroom control will always be an issue.

Classroom management is and will always be vital in order to facilitate learning - remote learning brings its own challenges in relation to classroom management which was my point.

SusanC10 · 15-10-2020 09:21AM

Does anyone else think that the Government are just trying to get to the MidTerm Break and then they will go for Level 5 plus schools closed for the entire Country for a number of weeks ?
In the hope that numbers will be lower in time for Christmas which will allow people to spend time with extended families etc ?

Both our Kids' Primary and Secondary Schools this week have sent out communications asking all students to make sure that they can access the online platforms and if there are any difficulties (incl lack of internet/devices) to contact the schools by tomorrow.

Also was talking to a friend in the States - her Kids (Elementary) are doing remotely learning with a staggered return to the School Building starting in early November but the Parents have a choice on whether their kids return then or continue with remote learning until January. They have opted to continue with the remote until January and see how things are then.
I wish we had that option here. I know it doesn't work for everyone but to have the choice.

LittleBrick · 15-10-2020 09:26AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the Government are just trying to get to the MidTerm Break and then they will go for Level 5 plus schools closed for the entire Country for a number of weeks ?
In the hope that numbers will be lower in time for Christmas which will allow people to spend time with extended families etc ?

Both our Kids' Primary and Secondary Schools this week have sent out communications asking all students to make sure that they can access the online platforms and if there are any difficulties (incl lack of internet/devices) to contact the schools by tomorrow.

Also was talking to a friend in the States - her Kids (Elementary) are doing remotely learning with a staggered return to the School Building starting in early November but the Parents have a choice on whether their kids return then or continue with remote learning until January. They have opted to continue with the remote until January and see how things are then.
I wish we had that option here. I know it doesn't work for everyone but to have the choice.

No, definitely not. I think they want a Christmas, but now is too early to close for that to happen. I'm expecting full school closures from November 30th with a 3 week level 5 lockdown, reopening the country (to level 2 or 3) December 21st.

Boggles · 15-10-2020 09:27AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the Government are just trying to get to the MidTerm Break and then they will go for Level 5 plus schools closed for the entire Country for a number of weeks ?
In the hope that numbers will be lower in time for Christmas which will allow people to spend time with extended families etc ?

That's what I assumed was happening or would happen.

But I have to say they are determined to die in the hill by keeping the schools open no matter what.

Not that a politician would not shamelessly U-Turn, but the language being used doesn't really leave any wriggle room.

irishblessing · 15-10-2020 09:44AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Classroom management is and will always be vital in order to facilitate learning - remote learning brings its own challenges in relation to classroom management which was my point.

Surely you can just mute a disruptive child online, probably easier to squash it than in the classroom...

Mrsmum · 15-10-2020 09:46AM

I'd say the virus can't wait for Christmas. Millions of family and friends gatherings, everyone full of goodwill and totally off guard. God help us in January.

meeeeh · 15-10-2020 09:46AM

The stupidest thing would be to allow easing of restrictions over Christmas. Alcohol and visiting each other's homes is just about the worst mix. To suggest we should close schools so people can socialise over Christmas and bring transmission sky high is irresponsible and selfish.

Boggles · 15-10-2020 09:52AM

meeeeh wrote: »

The stupidest thing would be to allow easing of restrictions over Christmas. Alcohol and visiting each other's homes is just about the worst mix. To suggest we should close schools so people can socialise over Christmas and bring transmission sky high is irresponsible and selfish.

Restrictions will be ignored over Christmas whatever they are.

NPHET came out on Monday and said the reproductive number will be 2.5 or higher whatever restrictions are in place.

It's just reality and common sense.

They said if we go into Christmas with low instance of the virus it won't be much of a problem, if we going with high instances, it will be a major issue.

SusanC10 · 15-10-2020 09:52AM

meeeeh wrote: »

The stupidest thing would be to allow easing of restrictions over Christmas. Alcohol and visiting each other's homes is just about the worst mix. To suggest we should close schools so people can socialise over Christmas and bring transmission sky high is irresponsible and selfish.

While I do understand what you are saying, not every visit to another home involves alcohol. My Mum does not drink at all and we don't drink in her house even in normal times.

Don't want to go Off Topic though.

Lillyfae · 15-10-2020 09:59AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Surely you can just mute a disruptive child online, probably easier to squash it than in the classroom...

Careful now! Don't say anything practical, you might be bumped off by the thankswh*re mafia

jrosen · 15-10-2020 10:24AM

I think we will hear the same line from them regarding schools staying open untill they decide otherwise. They cant be seen to be on the fence or even vocal about considering closing schools but Im sure they are considering it behind closed doors.

They equally know there is no platform for effective, consistent and equal remote teaching for all students.

lulublue22 · 15-10-2020 10:41AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Surely you can just mute a disruptive child online, probably easier to squash it than in the classroom...

How long do you mute the child for ? what if the child is constantly disruptive ? All children no matter how disruptive have a right to an education. muting a disruptive child while it solves the initial problem is not a viable strategy longterm as it is withdrawing their right to an education. Schools are bound by rules and procedures and If it was that simple to deal with disruptive students we would have a very high level of suspensions and expulsions in the country.

downthemiddle · 15-10-2020 10:46AM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Let’s not bend the truth- plenty I know did not open until early September. And that’s After being closed since March- so that was hardly an achievement or major cause Celebre to those of us in the real world.
Not “punish”- a dose of reality. Any teachers not engaged in meaningful quantifiable and accountable online teaching etc should be on the pup payments (too many doing nothing since March), and same goes for all support staff.
People die all the time- do you think by teachers not working we are going to eradicate death or something? Hysterical emotive OTT stuff.
The reason we can’t allow extended holidays for you for Halloween after only being back a few weeks (after being closed since March) is because experience now shows us you will fight tooth and nail to resist reopening with all manner of emotional blackmail and virtue signalling.

Nice summary of your own post.

Lillyfae · 15-10-2020 10:46AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

How long do you mute the child for ? what if the child is constantly disruptive ? All children no matter how disruptive have a right to an education. muting a disruptive child while it solves the initial problem is not a viable strategy longterm as it is withdrawing their right to an education. Schools are bound by rules and procedures and If it was that simple to deal with disruptive students we would have a very high level of suspensions and expulsions in the country.

Muting the child doesn't stop them from being able to hear the lesson. If they are constantly disruptive this needs to be looked into with the parents in whatever way this is normally handled. But there should have been a standard operating procedure in the school for live feed, not just cut it off completely affecting the whole class (or was it stopped school wide?).

Mrsmum · 15-10-2020 10:51AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

How long do you mute the child for ? what if the child is constantly disruptive ? All children no matter how disruptive have a right to an education. muting a disruptive child while it solves the initial problem is not a viable strategy longterm as it is withdrawing their right to an education. Schools are bound by rules and procedures and If it was that simple to deal with disruptive students we would have a very high level of suspensions and expulsions in the country.

Indeed, I bet some smart lads out there wouldn't be long catching on to the fact that all they had to do was act the mick on purpose if they knew it meant getting out of the remote class.

HerrKuehn · 15-10-2020 10:59AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Indeed, I bet some smart lads out there wouldn't be long catching on to the fact that all they had to do was act the mick on purpose if they knew it meant getting out of the remote class.

Well if he is muted then he can either listen in or not. There will be no one making sure he is looking at the screen and paying attention normally will there? I think it is a good example of how some will always look for issues and the only realistic thing is for schools to continue as normal or be off fully and make time up later.

khalessi · 15-10-2020 11:03AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that the Government are just trying to get to the MidTerm Break and then they will go for Level 5 plus schools closed for the entire Country for a number of weeks ?

If they do that is crazy.

If we do close it should be in sync with the North. We were able to manage to sync when it came to foot and mouth disease, and back then we dealt with Ian Paisley, so we should be able to collaborate on this.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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