Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

peasant · 14-10-2020 08:56PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Honestly I thought we should have taken a different approach to households once it became clear they were a source.

Households were never the source ...everything and nothing is "the source" with something as infectious as this virus.

"Household" is the name they give as location when they can't find out where the virus really was cought ...work, school, pub, party, shop ...

With so many people being asymptomatic and so little contact tracing going on the source is almost impossible to pin down.

Household sticks though ...because at least that one is easily traceable and is the place you last were before you felt sick enough to warrant a test.

AlphaDelta1 · 14-10-2020 08:57PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

When people.say goodbye to Christmas.

What does that mean?

Did you think you would get to go on the 12 pubs with your 20 mates this year?

Bit of perspective.

You can still do all the things you do every Christmas except go to the pub.

Big deal.

Responsible people won't be having a normal Xmas. Normal Xmas stuff for us is doing the rounds of houses friends/family etc.. and this year we will be doing none of that because we are responsible people.

You are dreaming if you think this xmas will be anything approaching normal.

MelbourneMan · 14-10-2020 08:57PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's farcical. More and more restrictions on the group who are complying, while a large minority stick two fingers up at everyone and are completely unchallenged.

While widespread, the idea of a need for all to be complying with restrictions has no scientific basis. Non compliance as such, does not spoil the reduced transmission actions taken by others. The fight against the spread of the virus is won or lost on a macro scale, with the concept that all should take the same precautions comes from an emotional sense of equality or burden sharing. The sentiment is understandable. But not really relevant to how we chose to implement restriction guidelines on the national level.

Spanish Eyes · 14-10-2020 08:57PM

Interesting to see how concerned some teachers and parents are now.

I totally understand that it's a balancing act for those who need to work away from home, many of whom are teachers I'd suspect.

All the best. Following this with interest and trepidation.

Doctors room ghost · 14-10-2020 08:57PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

After 9 o clock for Michael Martin to speak ?

Yeah 9:15 on Disney channel

Necro · 14-10-2020 08:58PM

I for one am sick of these 'state of the nation' addresses by the Taoiseach.

If they made some proper fcuking decisions instead of this softly, softly catchy monkey approach he wouldn't have to be out on the steps once a fcuking week.

Hurrache · 14-10-2020 08:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The cover up is an insult to our intelligence.

But am surprised at the silence of the Teacher Unions and the parents of these kids in petrie dish classrooms.

Pretty ****ty cover up given they tell parents of kids in the school whenever there's a case. Not quite sure you understand the meaning.

MelbourneMan · 14-10-2020 08:59PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Does level 4 mean that my work(construction) will be stopped again I reside in monaghan.

Hello. It does not. Work will continue with the appropriate precautions and control measures.

DrSpongeBobz · 14-10-2020 09:00PM

I guess NPHET meeting tomorrow wont mean anything now, since decisions are being made tonight.

TheQuietBeatle · 14-10-2020 09:01PM

I think the household visit ban makes sense compared to some other rules they have put in place. If I can still meet my parents outside and it's safer I don't mind. We'll park up somewhere.

MelbourneMan · 14-10-2020 09:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's it exactly. Everything is contradictory and feels nonsensical.

We're not being guided by the science, we're being guided by what the government wants the science to be.

We are being guided by the science, but that is only one consideration. Decisions by the government are made according to a wider field of criteria.

The chain of transmission has many many links, and all contribute to the overall spread and R0. Individual factors have greater or lesser contributions, and also have different levels of importance to society in general. It is never true to say schools are or are not having an impact. Whereever people interface, there is an impact.

The task of the politicians is to weigh up the sum of all factors contributing to spread, and weigh up the the impact on society, health, and the economy of curtailing these activities to varying degrees, and balancing those two elements with the capability of the health service to handle the caseload. The data and advice on the virus element is provided to them by NPHET.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-10-2020 09:01PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

I guess NPHET meeting tomorrow wont mean anything now, since decisions are being made tonight.

The government will come to regret not taking the actions they should have taken when advised to.

We are in a precarious place now.

AlphaDelta1 · 14-10-2020 09:01PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The ban on household visitations isn't pinned down by law. Continue as you were.

No i won't continue. I'll obey the rule because i am a decent citizen and i want people to not get sick and business to open back up.

Redzer7 · 14-10-2020 09:02PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Does level 4 mean that my work(construction) will be stopped again I reside in monaghan.

It'll stay open level 4 or 5, its classed as essential now https://www.thesun.ie/news/6024002/budget-2021-childrens-hospital-building-lockdown/

Xaniaj · 14-10-2020 09:02PM

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan moved to Level 4, they really have no idea what they're doing.

afro man · 14-10-2020 09:02PM

In work i Can share office with 7-8 Co workers and share canteen with 6 people at a time.. Can go on lunch and sit in my local paddy powers for an hour with random people.. But can't visit any close family members at their home??

sterz · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

I guess NPHET meeting tomorrow wont mean anything now, since decisions are being made tonight.

Well nobody has stuck to a plan since this all began so why start now.

hmmm · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

While widespread, the idea of a need for all to be complying with restrictions has no scientific basis. Non compliance as such, does not spoil the reduced transmission actions taken by others. The fight against the spread of the virus is won or lost on a macro scale, with the concept that all should take the same precautions comes from an emotional sense of equality or burden sharing. The sentiment is understandable. But not really relevant to how we chose to implement restriction guidelines on the national level.

Public health measures like this have to carry the public to be succesful. If people feel there is a sense of unfairness, or that others are metaphorically sticking up two fingers, there is going to be a global sense of disillusionment and lack of voluntary adherence.

We now have the worst of all worlds. Little sense of social togetherness which is hurting voluntary adherence. Lack of enforcement. Increasingly ineffective public health messages.

The public are crying out for the government to do something about people flouting the rules. A very visible example should be made, and I can think of a few obvious places this can be done.

Supercell · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I think trick or treating is the least of our concerns at the minute.

Fair enough, though I do feel we all could do with a bit of family fun this year, but I understand the sentiment. We'll probably do a trick or treat sweet spooky hunt in our house for our three kids or something I suppose instead.

Jenna James · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The government will come to regret not taking the actions they should have taken when advised to.

We are in a precarious place now.

They won’t admit it though.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The government will come to regret not taking the actions they should have taken when advised to.

We are in a precarious place now.

We were always be in this position regardless.

You think if the government took the advice last week and we get the numbers down and open back up we wouldn't be in another lockdown in 3 months?

It's a **** show and it's noones fault.

We will go around in circles until a vaccine is found.

landofthetree · 14-10-2020 09:03PM

Redzer7 wrote: »

It'll stay open level 4 or 5, its classed as essential now https://www.thesun.ie/news/6024002/budget-2021-childrens-hospital-building-lockdown/

Sensible decision especially for construction projects still at the outdoor stage.

The_Brood · 14-10-2020 09:04PM

"Cabinet agrees ban on all household visits nationwide"

Are RTE's editors just plain stupid? What ban? They have, time and time and time again, clarified they have no power to do anything regarding households. Guardai can't act on anything. They have no power. What ban? How can you have 'bans' when no one has any power of enforcement?

At this point I think North Korea's state media has more discernment than what RTE allow to be published.

Spanish Eyes · 14-10-2020 09:04PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Pretty ****ty cover up given they tell parents of kids in the school whenever there's a case. Not quite sure you understand the meaning.

AFAIK no child in a school is considered a Contact if there is a case in the school, so no testing required, same for the teacher.

Is that a cover up or not?

Funsterdelux · 14-10-2020 09:05PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The largest cohort of the cases are in the 25 -30 age category. Not adjusted for population but the fastest increasing week week on week are the 5-9 and 15-19.

data from hpsc

Percentage increase week on week.

I had to phone a friend to read that for me

MerlinSouthDub · 14-10-2020 09:05PM

afro man wrote: »

In work i Can share office with 7-8 Co workers and share canteen with 6 people at a time.. Can go on lunch and sit in my local paddy powers for an hour with random people.. But can't visit any close family members at their home??

Work is work, so has to be treated differently. But, yes, they should definitely close the bookies. It's the only indoor venue where the same group of adults can hang around beside eachother all day. Doesn't make sense for them to be open.

alentejo · 14-10-2020 09:05PM

Non essential retail closed in DCM, however open in Northern Ireland, even though NI has a high instance of Covid...

LuasSimon · 14-10-2020 09:05PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

No i won't continue. I'll obey the rule because i am a decent citizen and i want people to not get sick and business to open back up.

Yes you are a decent citizen as are many many others but like most laws in this country there’s a sizeable section of Irish society who don’t do what they are told and they will continue to spread Covid making the decent peoples efforts not enough .

Danzy · 14-10-2020 09:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What is wrong with our government? Can they not look to Australia and see how things are done properly? Are they too dim to do that? Are they not able to do that? New South Wales had a little bit over 4000 cases and 53 deaths. There was a little bit over 27000 cases for the whole of Australia. I know Australia can be very isolated and spaced out but the cities are built up and many country towns are accessible.

We were in a fantastic position after our lockdown with low numbers and our government and some people absolutely fcuking blew it.

We should have had border controls into our country. All the nonsense about - we can't because of the North - they should have adopted the same. We should have had isolation/quarantine centres and heavy penalties for isolation breakers.

I know it might seem extreme or over the top and many people would argue that this virus is just a little cold and nothing more that a flu. It's not a flu. There's similarities between the two for sure. They both cause fever, fatigue, body aches and pains but covid19 is worse. Covid19 can cause the immune system to go into overdrive. It can cause Ards and blood clots in other people. The virus does need to be suppressed. How can businesses survive if too many people fall ill and become poorly at once?

Australia's isolation is not the only massive advantage and difference it has .

It's dry climate, mild temperatures, even in their winter, rapidly rising temperatures now.

All massive problems for Covid.

Our climate is ideal for it and part of the narrow band where it thrives the most aggressively.

Loafing Oaf · 14-10-2020 09:06PM

alentejo wrote: »

Non essential retail closed in DCM,

Is this the new acronym du jour? Not as catchy as LOK...

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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