Schools closed until February? (part 3)

The Wordress · 13-10-2020 11:52PM

khalessi wrote: »

Was talking to colleague about the fact that our school has had only one case since reopening despite being in the covid capital of Dublin and she mentioned that a lot of staff off sick. I hadn't seen that as school breaks divided into jnr/Snr, 1st/2nd, 3rd/4th and 5th/6th. Wondering now if we just havent been told, either formally or informally. I was thinking it was down to windows and doors being open all day and disinfecting tables and chairs every half hour or so.

No such luck!

2 weeks ago, our staff was informed that our school had its first case of Covid. I innocently presumed that that it was only 1 case but we informed on Monday during our staff zoom meeting that we are onto our 4th case now and the HSE also should have classed our cases as a cluster and followed guidelines accordingly :rolleyes:

Being the Inspector Clauseau that I am, I know from our staff car park who is not there. Quite a lot of absences from teachers who normally wouldn't be off.

Purplewaters · 13-10-2020 11:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is working. If it does enough remains to be seen. The big difference though is I provide facts to back up my opinions and not rumour and conjecture. The 4% daily growth rate in this country has been there, unchanged, since June. Growth rate is driven by the number of potential exposures, and schools returning did not change the growth rate. In June and July much of the country, especially 18 to 50 year olds, retuned to normal social behaviour. This kicked off a growth in cases that has remained steady since. The more cases grew, the compounding effect kicked in, and now we see super spreader events such as the Moycullen Gaa team with 45 cases following a county final. These are the seeds of the growth, not schools. The route of this virus through society is community -> social lives-> home -> work and schools -> homes -> community and round again. Where is the best opportunity to break that chain? Its the adults not moderating their behaviour that is driving the growth. And the supporting data is right there in the case numbers

I've seen them say this and yet also seen that the proportion has actually increased in children and 15 up category which isn't split. So I'm not sure why they say it hasn't grown but to me it looks as if it has. And that's not accounting for all the untested asymptomatic kids.

Purplewaters · 13-10-2020 11:58PM

The most insulting argument to school staff is this one of 'children will juat get a mild case so its okay.' It is also insulting to parents as they could be at risk but it allows for these conditions and disregards the health of all the employees imo

MelbourneMan · 14-10-2020 12:00AM

Purplewaters wrote: »

The most insulting argument to school staff is this one of 'children will juat get a mild case so its okay.'

No authority is putting forward this case. Anyone doing so, is unqualified to offer an opinion on the matter. You should not be offended.

14-10-2020 12:09AM

Purplewaters wrote: »

I've seen them say this and yet also seen that the proportion has actually increased in children and 15 up category which isn't split. So I'm not sure why they say it hasn't grown but to me it looks as if it has. And that's not accounting for all the untested asymptomatic kids.

There was untested asymptomatic kids in august too. What there wasn’t though was every child with a slight cough or temp being sent for test.

On the 15-24 year olds. Would be helpful to break it out more as would answer that question once and for all, however we do know 25-34 year olds are the second highest grouping and aligns more with the theory of spread through uncontrolled social contact which would be even higher among 15 to 24 year olds

wirelessdude01 · 14-10-2020 08:03AM

https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/status/1316137945594822656?s=20

The Brits seem to think that school closures would have a decent impact on the R nu bet.

We must have a different Covid-19 over here.

JimmyVik · 14-10-2020 08:12AM

Schools closing in Northern Ireland.
OMG, I hope we dont get their version of the virus. The one that can pass school gates.

tom1ie · 14-10-2020 08:26AM

Purplewaters wrote: »

Just wondering why people can't have kids at home doing work thats been assigned and work at the same time? Their kids are in classes of up to 30 in school so thr most one to one attention they could reallt be getting is a few mins an hour. Surely the parents could explain the activities or set up the web cam in morning then on their break. Not saying it is ideal but this idea that a parent cannot be at home with kids ans work is a bit obsurd when rhe kids are in classes of up to 30 they need to be at least a bit independent

Have you tried this yourself with a 5 and 8 year old? Whilst on conference calls, answering emails and directing people on site? With nothing but a ream of paper from the school you’ve had to print off?
I wouldn’t mind doing it if there were some short videos or something to help the children.

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 09:28AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/status/1316137945594822656?s=20

The Brits seem to think that school closures would have a decent impact on the R nu bet.

We must have a different Covid-19 over here.

Do you think we should follow the UK approach in general or just specific bits?

hello2020 · 14-10-2020 09:44AM

received message from kids school today morning that one child has tested positive in my kids class and they are closing for 24 hours !! know at least 3 houses in my estate who tested positive in last few days (all having kids in school or college)

MerlinSouthDub · 14-10-2020 09:55AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Schools closing in Northern Ireland.
OMG, I hope we dont get their version of the virus. The one that can pass school gates.

Infection rates in Northern Ireland are 3 times what we have here.

is_that_so · 14-10-2020 09:56AM

hello2020 wrote: »

received message from kids school today morning that one child has tested positive in my kids class and they are closing for 24 hours !! know at least 3 houses in my estate who tested positive in last few days (all having kids in school or college)

Is that the school or class closing?

hello2020 · 14-10-2020 09:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Is that the school or class closing?

the message says only one class for 24 hrs

JimmyVik · 14-10-2020 09:58AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Infection rates in Northern Ireland are 3 times what we have here.

And we have been just a few weeks behind them in rates for a while now.
I have no doubt thats where we are going.
But sure lets wait til we get where they are before we do anything. What could go wrong.

irishblessing · 14-10-2020 10:00AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

And we have been just a few weeks behind them in rates for a while now.
I have no doubt thats where we are going.
But sure lets wait til we get where they are before we do anything. What could go wrong.

Exactly. Thanks to science and modelling we should be able to act to prevent unnecessary illness, death, and packed hospitals that may be overrun especially coming into flu season and in light of other illnesses/injury needing treating.

average_runner · 14-10-2020 10:13AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Exactly. Thanks to science and modelling we should be able to act to prevent unnecessary illness, death, and packed hospitals that may be overrun especially coming into flu season and in light of other illnesses/injury needing treating.

Many are trying to prevent but there is too many on a mission to bring us down.

Icyseanfitz · 14-10-2020 10:15AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Exactly. Thanks to science and modelling we should be able to act to prevent unnecessary illness, death, and packed hospitals that may be overrun especially coming into flu season and in light of other illnesses/injury needing treating.

Well when you have experts telling government to lock everything down and are ignored, forward thinking seems like an afterthought.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-10-2020 10:19AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Well when you have experts telling government to lock everything down and are ignored, forward thinking seems like an afterthought.

Lock everything down and to hell with the consequences.

That's your solution?

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 10:20AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Well when you have experts telling government to lock everything down and are ignored, forward thinking seems like an afterthought.

It is very easy to say that if it would have no financial impact on you.

Icyseanfitz · 14-10-2020 10:24AM

Not once did i say it wouldn't impact me, i don't want to lock down again, i wish our government had put measures in place earlier to stop growth, or you know increased our hospital capacity over the last half a year. But no, they have done nothing, basically telling us at this stage its entirely our own responsibility to get this under control, all the while knowing level 3 isn't enough.

Icyseanfitz · 14-10-2020 10:26AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Lock everything down and to hell with the consequences.

That's your solution?

No as has been stated by me god knows how many bloody times, with regards to schools, a reduced numbers blended approach is what should have happened, is it too late for that now, probably.

What's your great solution by the way?

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 10:32AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Not once did i say it wouldn't impact me, i don't want to lock down again, i wish our government had put measures in place earlier to stop growth, or you know increased our hospital capacity over the last half a year. But no, they have done nothing, basically telling us at this stage its entirely our own responsibility to get this under control, all the while knowing level 3 isn't enough.

Well if there was to be another shutdown, it would be those who work in the private sector who would be impacted by it. There was no furloughing in the public sector. I would say most/all services provided by the state are sub par, at least compared to other european countries. If you work in the public sector you have less to complain about as you are part of the system IMO.

Icyseanfitz · 14-10-2020 10:40AM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Well if there was to be another shutdown, it would be those who work in the private sector who would be impacted by it. There was no furloughing in the public sector. I would say most/all services provided by the state are sub par, at least compared to other european countries. If you work in the public sector you have less to complain about as you are part of the system IMO.

So basically, "shut up, you have no valid opinion as you work in the public sector", good to know people think so much of the people running the country and educating their children :rolleyes:

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 10:44AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

So basically, "shut up, you have no valid opinion as you work in the public sector", good to know people think so much of the people running the country and educating their children :rolleyes:

You can have whatever opinion you like. Also, don't forget that a personal full lock down is available to anyone. Simply take leave from your job and order all your groceries online.

JimmyVik · 14-10-2020 10:49AM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

You can have whatever opinion you like. Also, don't forget that a personal full lock down is available to anyone. Simply take leave from your job and order all your groceries online.

The problem here is that everyone in the country needs to be working together during a lockdown for it to have an effect.
I dont think we will get that. Too many people ignore public health rules for them to work as it is.

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 10:55AM

JimmyVik wrote: »

The problem here is that everyone in the country needs to be working together during a lockdown for it to have an effect.
I dont think we will get that. Too many people ignore public health rules for them to work as it is.

Yes. Younger people have lost the fear of it. Probably due to the fact that over time some of their friends have had it and said it was just like a cold or whatever. They don't think about the small chance it could have a serious effect on them.

s1ippy · 14-10-2020 11:04AM

Waffle on Claire Byrne about schools. She pointed out that there is provision for schools closing in level 5. Not one bit of useful information from Fiscal Donoghue or Michael. Listening to any media recently is like being hit repeatedly over the head.

irishblessing · 14-10-2020 11:14AM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

You can have whatever opinion you like. Also, don't forget that a personal full lock down is available to anyone. Simply take leave from your job and order all your groceries online.

It's everyone collectively rowing in the same direction that gets us there, and with government supports in place.

Myself and lots others I know wfh since March, still ordering groceries online, and have stopped all socialising (did go to restaurant the odd time but now that's off). We (those still trying to stay cautious) obviously haven't been enough to stop us sliding back off track.

Mrsmum · 14-10-2020 11:18AM

I am curious about the nitty gritty of any kind of half and half education, half in half out kind of thing. How will that mean anything but either teachers double jobbing ie teaching those in front of them plus somehow teaching those at home or else children losing hours, literally half the time they have now, of active teaching time and the availability of their teachers to them? We can rule out live streaming as that would simply not work for so many households and children, not sure teachers want to do live streaming either. So as well as teaching full time one cohort of kids, will teachers also be making videos for the other kids to watch in their homes and be available to answer kids or more likely parents queries in the evening time. I have loads of teachers in my family and in laws and all of them kiss the ground for every day they are in school because in their opinion the alternative is far worse for them, far more work yet their students slipping further and further behind and the feeling of stress that they are getting nowhere. That opinion seems to be at odds with the teachers on here ??? Also can I just add people throw out that 3rd level has gone online as if all is going well there. That is an area I am very familiar with via work and have people any idea how unconnected a huge cohort of the new undergrads are and how they are struggling ? Not maybe the hugely motivated medicine, law, etc top tier students but further down the line everything is far from hunky dory there. There is just nothing like the real thing and remote falls far short.

HerrKuehn · 14-10-2020 11:18AM

irishblessing wrote: »

It's everyone collectively rowing in the same direction that gets us there, and with government supports in place.

Myself and lots others I know wfh since March, still ordering groceries online, and have stopped all socialising (did go to restaurant the odd time but now that's off). We (those still trying to stay cautious) obviously haven't been enough to stop us sliding back off track.

I am similar, even moving to level 5 would make practically no difference to me in terms of how I would have to behave.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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