Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

bassy · 12-10-2020 06:30PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

Your okay if the Hotel is in the County that you live in, If its not then you have a problem. I had to cancel a weekend away next week due to this.

no not the same county at all,so im not sure how things will be next month as thats when we are to meet up.

IAMAMORON · 12-10-2020 06:51PM

Its the kids.

At last someone has the balls to say it.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

rubadub · 12-10-2020 07:14PM

Suckit wrote: »

It was a loophole. Nobody suggested it was obscure or otherwise. A loophole is still a loophole. When the government introduced the restrictions they did so hoping people and businesses would follow them, not look for ways to get around it. .

what is this loophole you are talking about, and can you give your definition of a loophole?
I get the impression it might be that pubs serving food could open, but as I guess the other poster was saying it was blindingly obvious that that was no loophole, it was the full intent of the government.

Some people may still be struggling to get their head around the meal thing. Not a single person has ever answered me when I asked why they thought this law was in place.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_offences/alcohol_and_the_law.html

Children in pubs

Children aged 15 and over, who are accompanied by their parent or guardian, can stay on the premises after 9:00 (10:00 pm from May to September) if they are attending a private function where a substantial meal is being served

Some also thought pubs ordering in food from takeaways were taking advantage of some sort of loophole.

To give my definition, a loophole is exploiting a flaw in the law, finding a sneaky way to bypass the true intent of the law. The lawmakers would see people doing it and be annoyed and be thinking "bollocks, the smart feckers found a way around it, maybe we should alter the law". But if pubs were sticking to the rules, and giving genuine substantial meals to people which were bought in from outside then that is perfectly fine, it is what the law intended to happen.

loophole
/ˈluːphəʊl/
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noun
1.
an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules.
"they exploited tax loopholes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loophole

A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the purpose, implied or explicitly stated, of the system.

A proper loophole would be a pub, or a restaurant, giving people the food in a doggy bag knowing fine well they were never going to eat it on the premises, and seeing them get destoryed drunk on an empty stomach. Some may well have been doing that of course.

Suckit · 12-10-2020 09:09PM

rubadub wrote: »

Some people may still be struggling to get their head around the meal thing. Not a single person has ever answered me when I asked why they thought this law was in place.

The pubs that have a restaurant licence used it to reopen and operate as a restaurant. Which is why people had to order food, but many pubs were not enforcing that.
The government only allowed restaurants (and cafes) to open.

freak scence · 12-10-2020 11:05PM

Suckit wrote: »

The pubs that have a restaurant licence used it to reopen and operate as a restaurant. Which is why people had to order food, but many pubs were not enforcing that.
The government only allowed restaurants (and cafes) to open.

pubs that have a restaurant license

you are talking through your arse

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-open-5116025-Jun2020/

Suckit · 12-10-2020 11:08PM

freak scence wrote: »

pubs that have a restaurant license you are talking through your arse

https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-open-5116025-Jun2020/

They planned on opening using a loophole which meant they had a restaurant licence. How do you think they opened with food?
That is after they were under pressure, as some pubs served food and some had a restaurant licence etc.. and it was a mess. There was no distinguishing line. They had also hoped that they wouldn't try and use the loophole.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 11:10PM

Suckit wrote: »

They opened using a loophole which meant they had a restaurant licence. How do you think they opened with food?

They didn't have a restaurant license or need one, they just needed to serve a meal for 9euro hense why many pubs opened offering food from takeaways

Suckit · 12-10-2020 11:12PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They didn't have a restaurant license or need one, they just needed to serve a meal for 9euro hense why many pubs opened offering food from takeaways

They found the loophole which was them having a restaurant licence. I edited the post above.

dundalkfc10 · 12-10-2020 11:17PM

Suckit wrote: »

They found the loophole which was them having a restaurant licence. I edited the post above.

No they didn't. Pubs serving food can reopen on 29 June but with table service only
https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-open-5116025-Jun2020/

Clearly stated pubs do not need a restaurant licence

Suckit · 12-10-2020 11:31PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

No they didn't. Pubs serving food can reopen on 29 June but with table service only
https://www.thejournal.ie/pubs-open-5116025-Jun2020/

Clearly stated pubs do not need a restaurant licence

Yes, because they were going to use the loophole, and the government slightly changed the rules to include more pubs that didn't have a restaurant licence but did serve food. Also the full Tony Holohan quote is not there. It is interesting reading back on how the pubs that did open, were allowed to, and how many of them flouted the rules.
The full quote:

Pubs will be permitted to reopen along with restaurants and cafes on June 29th, provided they function along the same lines as restaurants, and adhere to public health guidance on the coronavirus pandemic. “The intention is if a pub is going to operate as a restaurant . . . and if they’re in full compliance with public health advice in the way a restaurant would need to be, then there wouldn’t be a reason why that activity [reopening] couldn’t happen,” Dr Holohan told a daily press briefing.

This was just over a week beforehand, when the loophole was found.
This was later.
Another article
and another
and so on
and so on..

bigpink · 13-10-2020 12:09AM

In Limerick some places are open with 15 outside but no social distancing at all it's a joke

Neowise · 13-10-2020 12:12AM

bigpink wrote: »

In Limerick some places are open with 15 outside but no social distancing at all it's a joke

If its outside, why should a pub be bothered if social distancing is happening or not? It's happening outside, not in their lovely warm controlled enviroment.

Suckit · 13-10-2020 12:15AM

Neowise wrote: »

If its outside, why should a pub be bothered if social distancing is happening or not? It's happening outside, not in their lovely warm controlled enviroment.

It's still on their premises unless they are drinking in the street, if they are it would probably be cheaper to go to the off licence.

Neowise · 13-10-2020 12:16AM

Suckit wrote: »

It's still on their premises unless they are drinking in the street, if they are it would probably be cheaper to go to the off licence.

The draught guiness cans are ok, but they are not the same as guiness from the tap.

Suckit · 13-10-2020 12:21AM

Neowise wrote: »

The draught guiness cans are ok, but they are not the same as guiness from the tap.

Draught guinness in one of my locals is probably up with the best in the country.

Would love one tonight..
The heineken in the pub across the road is the only real alternative and it's muck.

I think a russian floating bar is the next step.

bassy · 13-10-2020 01:24AM

Suckit wrote: »

Draught guinness in one of my locals is probably up with the best in the country.

Would love one tonight..
The heineken in the pub across the road is the only real alternative and it's muck.

I think a russian floating bar is the next step.

hows the smithwicks on tap there ?.

Suckit · 13-10-2020 01:31AM

bassy wrote: »

hows the smithwicks on tap there ?.

It's okay. Or it was. I haven't thought of trying it in a few years. A mate of mine used to drink it about 7 years ago he gave up drinking. Don't think I have tried it since.

Will try and remember it if I ever get to go again.

bassy · 13-10-2020 01:34AM

Suckit wrote: »

It's okay. Or it was. I haven't thought of trying it in a few years. A mate of mine used to drink it about 7 years ago he gave up drinking. Don't think I have tried it since.

Will try and remember it if I ever get to go again.

i remember yrs ago i was 21 and i had a pint of smithwicks in durkans in ballaghadereen co.roscommon it was the nicest pint of ale i ever had could never find that potion again.

ThewhiteJesus · 13-10-2020 11:02AM

I'm in Dublin and live alone, this no pub thing is killing me.
I don't fancy going to a beer garden in the cold on my own i'd usually just sit at the bar.
It's not the drink i miss but the company and somewhere to go

PommieBast · 13-10-2020 11:04AM

Anyone at all surprised at speakeasies cropping up? Looks like someone put a lot of effort into them..

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-raid-three-suspected-shebeens-22834256

IAMAMORON · 13-10-2020 11:17AM

PommieBast wrote: »

Anyone at all surprised at speakeasies cropping up? Looks like someone put a lot of effort into them..

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-raid-three-suspected-shebeens-22834256

There are a few on the go alright. They are a great idea and despite being the ire of the curtain twitch brigade are safer than you would think. The ones near me are mainly made up of clientele from local old men's place's. Nothing fancy, kegs of Guinness, cans and whisky, vodka and gin. Some lads brought their own and if you are scooping stout there is a contribution bucket and most lads helping themselves.

The new normal:) Necessity is the mother of all invention.

Before the outrage crew arrive it is worth saying that any of the local ones around are only opening upon appointment, so basically Wednesday through to Sunday evening. The only late night I heard of was poker and golf when the US open was on. The stripper stories were lies and rumours, I reckon anyway.

BagheeraBlue · 13-10-2020 11:18AM

snitches get stitches

freak scence · 13-10-2020 08:28PM

Kasey_Don wrote: »

No they're not. The ones in towns are doing takeaway and you betcha they'll be claiming the PUP too!!!

think you mean ewss which they are entitled too

MrStuffins · 13-10-2020 08:44PM

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I'm in Dublin and live alone, this no pub thing is killing me.
I don't fancy going to a beer garden in the cold on my own i'd usually just sit at the bar.
It's not the drink i miss but the company and somewhere to go

Join a book club!

PTH2009 · 13-10-2020 08:53PM

I wonder how many of the so called rough pubs actually closed over the lockdown ??. Reckon a lot of the druggies places had backdoor access. The kind of pubs you see on those 'Britain's toughest pubs' etc

No way some lads were staying at home and then when the food rule came in actually abiding it

drunkmonkey · 13-10-2020 08:57PM

PommieBast wrote: »

Anyone at all surprised at speakeasies cropping up? Looks like someone put a lot of effort into them..

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-raid-three-suspected-shebeens-22834256

You should join the home bar group on facebook, we've more sheebeens than pubs now, some very impressive ones, very happy to have access to a mates one, it's not much but can't beat fresh draught.

IAMAMORON · 13-10-2020 09:09PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Join a book club!

Whilst I respect that the concept of having a social life might repulse you Stuffins, I am hoping one day you realise there are certain rules of engagement which I am confident you are not very afay with.

What is your favourite book?

MrStuffins · 13-10-2020 10:34PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Whilst I respect that the concept of having a social life might repulse you Stuffins, I am hoping one day you realise there are certain rules of engagement which I am confident you are not very afay with.

What is your favourite book?

I quite like the dictionary. Looking forward to the new edition so I can look up "afay".

People who think that the only way to have a social life is to sit at a bar on their own literally need to get out more.

IAMAMORON · 13-10-2020 10:49PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I quite like the dictionary. Looking forward to the new edition so I can look up "afay".

People who think that the only way to have a social life is to sit at a bar on their own literally need to get out more.

Speaking from experience , yeah?

MrStuffins · 13-10-2020 10:52PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Speaking from experience , yeah?

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I don't fancy going to a beer garden in the cold on my own i'd usually just sit at the bar.

You might want to get involved in this reading stuff as well.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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