Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Atlantic Dawn · 12-10-2020 07:28PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Sister (teacher) got confirmed positive for covid this evening . None of her students or other teachers will be deemed close contacts . Her students have been away for weekends and gone back into class on the Monday . A farce they are still open

There's something odd going on in schools, testing is not following any other workplace practices, I can only assume it's a semi controlled spread of the virus.

Poorside · 12-10-2020 07:29PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Head in hands moment, the young chap had Pneumonia when he was 18. Obviously vulnerable to respiratory infections

Do you know the circumstances?

Deusexmachina · 12-10-2020 07:29PM

Allinall wrote: »

Sounds great.

Unfortunately people aren’t behaving as adults.

No point in blaming people. It's a pandemic, it's virulent - people have to get on with their lives.

Finger pointing at the 'other' is pointless. Of course there will always be some people who don't do the right thing but in general the level of compliance is very high here in Ireland.

Fining people, creating pointless roadblocks to hamper people from travelling to / from work, creating division and resentment about young people..etc will NOT work.

The only way this works is through people working positively toward a common goal.

amadangomor · 12-10-2020 07:30PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wonder what blood type he has?

Has there been any studies on this? Heard it mentioned back in the Spring as a possible factor in severity of the virus.

Inquitus · 12-10-2020 07:30PM

10-19 year olds driving infection in the UK, so how come our schools are magically different?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 12-10-2020 07:30PM

Jenna James wrote: »

I think most of us are worried to some degree and feel these comments from officials only drive those worry levels upward.

Aren’t they being paid well to worry and perhaps tone it down a little for the greater public consumption?

I think they have made the decision that increasing g worry in the general public is a good move to increase the level of good behaviour.

ACitizenErased · 12-10-2020 07:31PM

That was a cheeky question

Real Donald Trump · 12-10-2020 07:31PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Head in hands moment, the young chap had Pneumonia when he was 18. Obviously vulnerable to respiratory infections

FFS!

Atlantic Dawn · 12-10-2020 07:31PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Has there been any studies on this? Heard it mentioned back in the Spring as a possible factor in severity of the virus.

Type O is least fatal.

Sweet.Science · 12-10-2020 07:31PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There's something odd going on in schools, testing is not following any other workplace practices, I can only assume it's a semi controlled spread of the virus.

They are leaving themselves wide open for legal action if a teacher or student gets seriously ill

c.p.w.g.w · 12-10-2020 07:32PM

Myself & Misses are already planning for xmas at home, we normally go to our parents for dinner and then alternate Xmas nights together at one set of parents...but that look like it won't be at all possible

DrSpongeBobz · 12-10-2020 07:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That was a cheeky question

a stupid one too

bb1234567 · 12-10-2020 07:32PM

Jenna James wrote: »

I think most of us are worried to some degree and feel these comments from officials only drive those worry levels upward.

Aren’t they being paid well to worry and perhaps tone it down a little for the greater public consumption?

Their job should be to reassure, and if things are bad to just highlight ways it can improve or the best way to fix the issue. The constant focus on the downside, thenegative, the possibility of a worst event outcome is just so unnecessary and serves to benefit nobody

Annoucnements should be phrased' If we do X we will prevent X amount of the deaths'..rather than 'the way we are going now..it will cause X amount of deaths in a month'. One sounds under control and surmountable, the second , which is always the manner of prhasing,sounds hopeless. Even if the situation is hopeless, the impact can always be lessened, and even if the outcome will still be bad, there's no good reason for focusing on that only.

GooglePlus · 12-10-2020 07:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The track and trace seemed to work perfectly when case numbers were below 100.
Am I wrong?
It's quite clear they took their eye off the ball.

There's universities lying empty across the country, plenty of room for tracing like in March they used the universities as a base. Ask for volunteers. Not rocket science, c'mon like.

You can't be ready to jump ship already?

You're dead right though. They should have known that easing restrictions that brought our cases down in the first place would eventually lead to a resurgence. If we had the numbers in place to properly track and trace, we'd be on top of this.

The problem is that there isn't really anyone to do the job. You can reach out for volunteers all you want but the fact is, we're just not that "for the country" as we used to be and we don't have the sheer volume of people that Asian regions do, which provides a massive pool of potential tracers.

The virus really is the only thing to blame here and not the public bodies with their limited resources and time to provide viable mitigation.

Deusexmachina · 12-10-2020 07:35PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Their job should be to reassure, and if things are bad to just highlight ways it can improve or the best way to fix the issue. The constant focus on the downside, thenegative, the possibility of a worst event outcome is just so unnecessary and serves to benefit nobody

If you were on a plane when an engine failed, you would not be grateful if the pilot came on the tannoy to tell you he was 'deeply worried'.

You would want him to do something about it. He can tell you later about his worry when you are safely on the ground.

s1ippy · 12-10-2020 07:35PM

Nobody asked if there had been an increase in transmission in schools.

The only question asked was whether they'd consider closing them.

Is there a gag order on the media pack???

amadangomor · 12-10-2020 07:36PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Type O is least fatal.

O negative here.

Had suspected case in March, whatever it was has left me with asthma since.

Interesting that I may have been worse off if I had another blood type. Maybe why I never had a fever.

Sweet.Science · 12-10-2020 07:36PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Their job should be to reassure, and if things are bad to just highlight ways it can improve or the best way to fix the issue. The constant focus on the downside, thenegative, the possibility of a worst event outcome is just so unnecessary and serves to benefit nobody

Annoucnements should be phrased' If we do X we will prevent X amount of the deaths'..rather than 'the way we are going now..it will cause X amount of deaths in a month'. One sounds under control and surmountable, the second , which is always the manner of prhasing,sounds hopeless.

Assume they are covering themselves for the public inquiry down the line

Turtwig · 12-10-2020 07:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The track and trace seemed to work perfectly when case numbers were below 100.
Am I wrong?
It's quite clear they took their eye off the ball.

It's not clear at all. You still haven't provided a target. How many cases a day should they be able to handle?

Let's ignore that cases can vary in complexity.

boetstark · 12-10-2020 07:37PM

Inquitus wrote: »

10-19 year olds driving infection in the UK, so how come our schools are magically different?

They are not different. Don't listen to Donnelly as he is the biggest bull**** merchant we have ever had as a minister. I can list 5 schools right now in general limerick / clare are that have had outbreaks

Funsterdelux · 12-10-2020 07:38PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Head in hands moment, the young chap had Pneumonia when he was 18. Obviously vulnerable to respiratory infections

we got him

Gruffalux · 12-10-2020 07:39PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

If you were on a plane when an engine failed, you would not be grateful if the pilot came on the tannoy to tell you he was 'deeply worried'.

You would want him to do something about it. He can tell you later about his worry when you are safely on the ground.

That's because in a plane you could do shag all about it. In this situation we can actually do things to cut chains of transmission.

amadangomor · 12-10-2020 07:40PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

If you were on a plane when an engine failed, you would not be grateful if the pilot came on the tannoy to tell you he was 'deeply worried'.

You would want him to do something about it. He can tell you later about his worry when you are safely on the ground.

Not a great analogy as in this case the pilot can give guidance but only the passengers can stop the pandemic plane crashing.

Funsterdelux · 12-10-2020 07:40PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody asked if there had been an increase in transmission in schools.

The only question asked was whether they'd consider closing them.

Is there a gag order on the media pack???

They havent a clue

Marty Bird · 12-10-2020 07:40PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

They are leaving themselves wide open for legal action if a teacher or student gets seriously ill

How does one go about to identify how or where they contracted the virus to prove liability?

stephenjmcd · 12-10-2020 07:41PM

Another false positive it looks like for the FAI

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1315722426496491521?s=19

BringBackMick · 12-10-2020 07:43PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Another false positive it looks like for the FAI

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1315722426496491521?s=19

That is the 2nd member of party who came back positive to be later confirmed as a false positive?

I guess with mass testing you gonna have some percentage false positives?

They testing around 50 staff a go....1 false positive is probably likely?

Funsterdelux · 12-10-2020 07:43PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Another false positive it looks like for the FAI

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1315722426496491521?s=19

Are they getting Dr Nick Riviera to do them?

Turtwig · 12-10-2020 07:43PM

Necro wrote: »

This is what I cannot understand. Hundreds of thousands on PUP and loads of them ready and willing to help out like yourself.

Why not offer the test and trace jobs to people on PUP first and foremost, kill two birds with one stone.

But that requires forward thinking which the HSE and this current government have a serious lack of.

I'm sure they would if they could. But it's not that simple. Even for the simple questionnaire stuff the volunteers need to be trained. To do this you have to take experienced folk away from their tasks to upskill the volunteers. Not all PUP recipients will have skills or mindset for making effective calls of a likely very repetitive nature.

Even if they are many cases of contacts tracing are incredibly complex that require specialist knowledge. Given that PUP is disproportionately the services and retail sectors it's unlikely you'll find the required skillsets and knowledge base there. Intensive training is required. For this you need significant resources. Resources which may be better used elsewhere during a pandemic.

This is no where near as straightforward as people are claiming it to be.

is_that_so · 12-10-2020 07:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Nobody asked if there had been an increase in transmission in schools.

The only question asked was whether they'd consider closing them.

Is there a gag order on the media pack???

That question usually produces a barrage of stats which journalists can't cope with.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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