Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

weldoninhio wrote: »

Nor bus passengers when buses were still rammed with people. Windows closed. No masks.

VeVeX wrote: »

The statistics might suggest that if you can get on a bus you've more chance of perishing on said bus than dying of Covid19.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Bus passenger deaths in 2020 v Covid deaths in 2020. I wonder which is higher?

VeVeX wrote: »

How many of the people who died of Covid19 were well enough to use public transport prior to infection?

MrStuffins wrote: »

Lol...... wut?

Good answer.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Going by the crowds in Dundalk Town as I drove through last night at 11PM, plenty of pubs are open and they all couldn't have been outside drinking

Different rules apply in El Paso. The guards drink in most of the pubs there and not much is said

MrStuffins wrote: »

1,800 + deaths due to Covid in 2020.

1800+ deaths of people that died with covid in their blood, but that might not have been the reason why they died. If you died of a massive heart attack, but covid was in your blood, it counts as a covid death.

I don't think this information is being presented honestly.

emo72 wrote: »

1800+ deaths of people that died with covid in their blood, but that might not have been the reason why they died. If you died of a massive heart attack, but covid was in your blood, it counts as a covid death.

I don't think this information is being presented honestly.

Even so, the stats still don't show you're more likely to die from riding on the bus. Even if one person genuinely died of Covid

emo72 wrote: »

1800+ deaths of people that died with covid in their blood, but that might not have been the reason why they died. If you died of a massive heart attack, but covid was in your blood, it counts as a covid death.

I don't think this information is being presented honestly.

How many people died on our buses this year out of interest?

hetuzozaho wrote: »

How many people died on our buses this year out of interest?

How many of them bugs were contagious, hence the regulations

bassy wrote: »

hey lads was to meet up with friends for a nite away in a hotel next month,is that a non runner now?.

Hotels are still in bounds I believe, they still serve residents in bars and restaurants but things could change

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Sorry?

You made it sound like it was a common thing, huge difference between pubs and buses

hetuzozaho wrote: »

What is stealth edited? When I look it says it was edited on Wednesday

I mean edited with no indication of what's being changed, or announcement of changes. There's a timestamp, but that's about it. This was supposed to be a well thought out plan that gave everyone a clear picture in advance of what restrictions would be in place at every level and what would be expected of them. And that would be consistent.
If specific individual cases required implementing a stage with amendments, that's not ideal but what they did for Dublin and Donegal made sense, where those differences were highlighted.
But if it's being changed will-nilly on a regular basis it's not a plan, it's just a log of whatever was decided yesterday.

Suckit wrote: »

But the people in the supermarkets weren't sitting for any length of time with each other and passing the same items around. In fact I think I remember reading a study that had found no traces of covid in the supermarkets.

People were standing in checkouts literally breathing down each other's necks for 10-15 minutes at a time.

I didn't agree with non food pubs being closed when other pubs were open, but understand it was a loophole that was exploited when they were trying to slow it down. Had that loophole not been found, the government possibly would have opened all the pubs at the same time at another date.

It's hardly an obscure loophole, it's blindingly obvious. If the government hadn't been willing to allow them to open they could have implemented the restrictions differently. Or even done so after the pubs serving food had reopened.

Irish Steve wrote: »

I will be surprised if they are, between landlords that "massaged" the rules and customers that didn't care about anything other than their pints, the final nail is that it's becoming clear from a number of reports that there have been significant numbers of cases that have originated in pubs.
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You keep banging this drum, and yet there are no figures backing this up. I think at this stage the number of times you have claimed that pubs are to blame for a significant proportion of cases is actually greater than the number of clusters attributed to pubs.

bigpink wrote: »

So the guards drink in the majority of pubs in Dundalk and they let the publicians break the rules?

Sure its happening all over the country, 1 pub in a well known village near me, full time Garda Station, even when it was €9 meals if you wanted food into the lounge if you just wanted a drink into the bar. Even know its outdoors but there's a few sitting inside, not many now but a few.

A few Gardai drink in it so have they been in at all, not a chance.

https://twitter.com/GNev2/status/1315552142728540160?s=19

MOH wrote: »

People were standing in checkouts literally breathing down each other's necks for 10-15 minutes at a time.

10-15 minutes? Where? I never saw anything even close to those times in any supermarket I went to. The worst single line may have been almost 10 minutes and nobody was breathing down anyones neck. People just swapped checkouts.

TBH, experts say that contact with someone positive for the virus for about 10 minutes or longer can result in transmission. So it would be highly unlikely that it was spread in supermarkets, and not even close to a 'high risk' area as was mentioned. It is amlost preposterous to suggest that they are.

MOH wrote: »

It's hardly an obscure loophole, it's blindingly obvious. If the government hadn't been willing to allow them to open they could have implemented the restrictions differently. Or even done so after the pubs serving food had reopened.

It was a loophole. Nobody suggested it was obscure or otherwise. A loophole is still a loophole. When the government introduced the restrictions they did so hoping people and businesses would follow them, not look for ways to get around it.

The virus will spread, it is inevitable, the restrictions are all about slowing it down, and not putting too much pressure on the hospitals so that we don't end up dealing with a very high number of deaths.