Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

12-10-2020 09:24AM

Pat Kenny on FIRE this morning

petes · 12-10-2020 09:25AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone is focused on daily deaths but deaths are not the issue (for now).

The real question is the damage done to internal organs by simply having the disease whether displaying symptoms or not.

Unfortunately this is a far bigger problem than people over 80 dying.

There is no point counter arguing it's old people if you won't get the chance to be old yourself.

This is a pathogen that is very dangerous and I urge everyone to take all protective measures they can.

No one wants to get it and should be doing everything they can not but this is stated as if every person who contracts it has theses issues which simply is not true.

caveat emptor · 12-10-2020 09:35AM

I think my hunch might be correct.

"Of note, most children in our study were asymptomatic, and this cluster would likely not have been detected without subsequent testing of persons who had direct contact with the index case-patient. We believe further studies are needed to clarify young children’s role [...]"

caveat emptor wrote: »

......
IMHO Schools can be hidden reservoir of the virus. I base this on two facts.

Kids get much milder disease
There are probably more kids asymptomatic

So when numbers and pressure arrives on hospitals and ICU etc it looks like it’s out of nowhere.

That’s 100% speculation so no need to get angry anyone.

https://twitter.com/gross_anita/status/1315357279714193413?s=20

harr · 12-10-2020 09:39AM

I don’t think people get the whole self isolate thing at all , I had a meeting this morning which was cancelled due to a person having to go for a test and was supposed to be self isolating because he was in close contact ( his wife ) The muppet taught it was ok to drop around paper work last night to my house incase meeting went ahead.
The door was not opened to him and he got a fairly harsh text message for his troubles. He is still out and about this morning in for coffee and paper in local shop and other shops.
I think people have the attitude that if they are feeling well and have no symptoms they are fine to carry on as normal.

Kimbot · 12-10-2020 09:39AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone is focused on daily deaths but deaths are not the issue (for now).

The real question is the damage done to internal organs by simply having the disease whether displaying symptoms or not.

Unfortunately this is a far bigger problem than people over 80 dying.

There is no point counter arguing it's old people if you won't get the chance to be old yourself.

This is a pathogen that is very dangerous and I urge everyone to take all protective measures they can.

In fairness that poor lad on the late late the other night, no underlying conditions and he had to learn to walk again due to nerve damage from covid. The after effects wont be felt by all for a while yet I would imagine.

owlbethere · 12-10-2020 09:40AM

ShyMets wrote: »

This has crossed my mind from time to time. What does someone do who needs to get tested but doesn't drive and doesn't live within walking distance of a test centre.

Their only options seem to be public transport or taxi both of which are potentially putting people at risk

The hse advice says if you feel unwell with symptoms, you should self isolate at home. Ideally at home, in your room with an ensuite.

Surely the hse advice about:
If you don't drive or are not well enough to drive get someone from your family to drive you to the test centre. Something like that.

Surely that defeats the self isolation guidelines.

eigrod · 12-10-2020 09:44AM

221 in hospital this morning. This is going to be the trend for the next couple of weeks. Hopefully it will level off and decline at end of the month.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1315573220607774720?s=21

owlbethere · 12-10-2020 09:46AM

ShyMets wrote: »

I remember hearing that. And I'm sure that service works when the volume of testing is low but considering the level of testing we're doing on a daily basis the ambulances can't provide that service.

It just means some people will have no choice to risk a bus or taxi

I got tested over the weekend. I don't drive and because there's nobody in my circle confirmed as positive or who are sick or unwell - I couldnt risk getting anyone else to drive me to the test centre. In case I get a positive result from a test and I'm infectious. I opted for the call out service. I really doubt very much that they call out for one person. When I got a call, the tester was coming down from the next village. It clicked with me afterwards that there was a county win last weekend for that village &#55357;&#56866;. He was probably doing some testing there.

niallo27 · 12-10-2020 09:51AM

stockshares wrote: »

In case this wasn't posted earlier

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1315457198114459649?s=19

That would make it about 7 times more deadly yet restrictions put in place are a 1000 times as restrictive as any for flu.

Away With The Fairies · 12-10-2020 09:53AM

Boggles wrote: »

Speaking of South Korea are we still trying to emulate their test and trace system, what chapter would the below advice be in I wonder?

Woman claims HSE told her to take a bus to her Covid-19 test

Heard of someone getting a bus to a test centre in or close to Slane and 4 more people getting of the bus to go get a test as well.

12-10-2020 09:55AM

stockshares wrote: »

In case this wasn't posted earlier

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1315457198114459649?s=19

First reply to that Tweet "Died with not from" More to the point

Atlantic Dawn · 12-10-2020 09:55AM

I see pension collection is back to every week from November, good way to double the exposure risk for pensioners.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/social-welfare-payments-to-return-to-weekly-schedule-from-november-1020457.html

Loafing Oaf · 12-10-2020 10:00AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Heard of someone getting a bus to a test centre in or close to Sloane and 4 more people getting of the bus to go get a test as well.

Long way to go for a test:P

Spiderman0081 · 12-10-2020 10:01AM

gmisk wrote: »

BuT iTs JuSt A fLu?!?

Did you know that pneumonia and flu deaths are counted separately even if pneumonia was caused by the flu? Did you know that pneumonia deaths caused by covid are counted as covid deaths?
Look up how many people have died from influenza each year in Ireland for example for the past 10 years and then find how many have died from pneumonia each year.
It’s the same as USA, it’s the same in Sweden when it comes to registering flu and pneumonia deaths.
Trump has been a disaster with regards to covid but if Joe Biden was president CNN would certainly explain what I have above so that it would be easier for people to grasp that covid is not as lethal as so many are eager to believe.

12-10-2020 10:04AM

Not a good weekend on the trend

12-10-2020 10:14AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I see pension collection is back to every week from November, good way to double the exposure risk for pensioners.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/social-welfare-payments-to-return-to-weekly-schedule-from-november-1020457.html

Agreed, it needs to be kept at the two weeks.

But, above that risk to pensioners, is the fact that a lot of them are shopping in local shops and small supermarkets which, at lunchtime, are swamped with queues of secondary school students queing up outside in droves, masks only retrived from pockets as they go into the shops. With the refusal to make generally known the location of schools with covid cases, the older people (and everyone else) do not even know to avoid these particular shops. I know of various shops adjacent to schools with covid where the staff have quiety advised those old and vulnerable to phone in their orders rather than come in person. But the location of schools with covid needs, for many reasons, to be freely and generally available.

Boggles · 12-10-2020 10:17AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think my hunch might be correct.

The cabinet are frantically trying to get the midterm in the hope we will see a decrease in cases over that week.

The Irish media are now starting to ask the questions, 'how come there is little to no transmission in Irish schools?'

There has been a increase of almost 40% in confirmed Covid hospitalizations since Thursday.

Midterm is 14 days away.

caveat emptor · 12-10-2020 10:19AM

eigrod wrote: »

221 in hospital this morning. This is going to be the trend for the next couple of weeks. Hopefully it will level off and decline at end of the month.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1315573220607774720?s=21

Hospitalisations following an exponential trajectory. Took about 7 weeks to go from 10 to 100. At current rate we could expect 1000 in 4 weeks. Of course restrictions and behaviour may be able to stop this from happening and lets hope they do.

Sconsey · 12-10-2020 10:20AM

niallo27 wrote: »

That would make it about 7 times more deadly yet restrictions put in place are a 1000 times as restrictive as any for flu.

LOL I'd love to see how you came up with your 1000 number.

B.A._Baracus · 12-10-2020 10:20AM

Kimbot wrote: »

In fairness that poor lad on the late late the other night, no underlying conditions and he had to learn to walk again due to nerve damage from covid. The after effects wont be felt by all for a while yet I would imagine.

That's the scary thing about getting Corona alright. You just don't know what's gonna happen down the line.

screamer · 12-10-2020 10:21AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone is focused on daily deaths but deaths are not the issue (for now).

The real question is the damage done to internal organs by simply having the disease whether displaying symptoms or not.

Unfortunately this is a far bigger problem than people over 80 dying.

There is no point counter arguing it's old people if you won't get the chance to be old yourself.

This is a pathogen that is very dangerous and I urge everyone to take all protective measures they can.

It’s a good point.
Do the government publish any sort of numbers or statistics on this? It’d be good info for the general public.?

12-10-2020 10:23AM

323 wrote: »

First reply to that Tweet "Died with not from" More to the point

If someone develops AIDS, what do they die from and why?

Seeing a lot of similarity between the original attitudes to HIV and AIDS due to its then limited groups who became infected and died, and those that die from covid.

Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely happy that the vast majority of people in my age group and younger don't end up dead if they get covid and that older people have a good chance of survival too if we've the capacity available to treat them, but the way things are looking we won't.

We also don't know what the long term effects of contacting covid are either on people in all age groups.

SeaBreezes · 12-10-2020 10:24AM

petes wrote: »

No one wants to get it and should be doing everything they can not but this is stated as if every person who contracts it has theses issues which simply is not true.

Yes, its only 78% of asymptomatic, symptomatic or severe for the heart and lungs anyway.. kidneys testes, studies were done on moderate and severe cases only.

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/guide-to-myocarditis-a-dangerous-heart-condition-affecting-up-to-78-percent-of-covid-19-infected-symptomatic-or-asymptomatic-individuals

OwenM · 12-10-2020 10:25AM

screamer wrote: »

It’s a good point.
Do the government publish any sort of numbers or statistics on this? It’d be good info for the general public.?

RCSI/McConkey are doing a qualitative study I believe, a qualitative study only tells us how bad a case can be, not how many people are affected badly but of course I expect the media to carry a comment along the lines of "It's anticipated that up 400% of the population could be affected" when it's reported.

Miike · 12-10-2020 10:26AM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Did you know that pneumonia and flu deaths are counted separately even if pneumonia was caused by the flu? Did you know that pneumonia deaths caused by covid are counted as covid deaths?
Look up how many people have died from influenza each year in Ireland for example for the past 10 years and then find how many have died from pneumonia each year.
It’s the same as USA, it’s the same in Sweden when it comes to registering flu and pneumonia deaths.
Trump has been a disaster with regards to covid but if Joe Biden was president CNN would certainly explain what I have above so that it would be easier for people to grasp that covid is not as lethal as so many are eager to believe.

And in todays episode of I've no idea what I'm talking about.... look up "International Form on Medical Certificate of Cause of Death" and educate your self. This statement is woefully wrong.

Widdensushi · 12-10-2020 10:27AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hospitalisations following an exponential trajectory. Took about 7 weeks to go from 10 to 100. At current rate we could expect 1000 in 4 weeks. Of course restrictions and behaviour may be able to stop this from happening and lets hope they do.

Being pedantic but that's not Hospitalisations because of covid considering unfortunately many of the current cases in hospital seem to have caught covid while in hospital.

bb1234567 · 12-10-2020 10:29AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That has to be the highest positivity rate globably?
They are really not testing at all, population of 45mil and only 2.2mil tests, and based on today's figures ~14k tests done. That's shocking.

At the point they are at what is even the benefit of testing anymore. 30k in hospital and 3k deaths per week in a country of 45 mil couldn't be more of a failure to contain the virus . The most useful thing they could do is just try minimise the death toll in hospitals now

Miike · 12-10-2020 10:30AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Being pedantic but that's not Hospitalisations because of covid considering unfortunately many of the current cases in hospital seem to have caught covid while in hospital.

So you've given up reading the breakdown of figures then and decided to make up your own narrative?

SeaBreezes · 12-10-2020 10:31AM

What really annoys me is Herd Immunity gaslighting crapola.

I dont know a single farmer who would let sickness run through his/her herd. They would isolate the sick animal until better. Herd Immunity doesnt make financial sense. Sick herd, sick economy.

We dont even know if immunity to this virus is possible.
But we are being gaslit that its a possibility.

Measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox. Even WITH immunity to these diseases after infection, herd immunity never happened. Vaccination stamped them out.

Away With The Fairies · 12-10-2020 10:34AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Long way to go for a test:P

Autocorrect. It was meant to be Slane

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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