Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

AlphaDelta1 · 11-10-2020 06:36PM

Beasty wrote: »

Level 3 has not been in place for most of the country for a week yet. You do understand there is always a timelag between cause and effect? Look at the Dublin figures to understand the potential impact of level 3 as the effects permeate the rest of the country

Eh i was looking at Dublin numbers and as i said they aren't having the effect i had hoped they would.

Nobody wants level 5 that's why im as desperate as anyone to see L3 work. L5 will hit my household very badly indeed

It doesn't even bare thinking about

wadacrack · 11-10-2020 06:36PM

Rate of transmission seems to be dropping in Spain.We are likely a few weeks behind them

Beasty · 11-10-2020 06:38PM

Russman wrote: »

Every chance there’ll be a vaccine by next summer.

Even if there is, who knows when the general population will be able to access it. We also have little idea as to how long it may offer protection. The flu vaccine this year is being rationed to those most at risk

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 06:39PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

|The incidence of the virus circulating in the country is only starting to get bigger now. It was not that high for a long time, and even when it was 100 or 200 cases a day, we were detecting most cases, and the circulating virus was low. I do not think it was low in February, March, April. But time will tell. Also 20% of people who had virus back then were elderly people and now that number is much lower. If someone has scientific evidence that the virus has mutated to be significantly different to what it was I would like to read it.

But would you agree the situation was a lot lot worse in March April than it is now.

Cluedo Monopoly · 11-10-2020 06:39PM

Beasty wrote: »

Even if there is, who knows when the general population will be able to access it. We also have little idea as to how long it may offer protection. The flu vaccine this year is being rationed to those most at risk

You can have my vaccine Beasty

Beasty · 11-10-2020 06:40PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Eh i was looking at Dublin numbers and as i said they aren't having the effect i had hoped they would.

Nobody wants level 5 that's why im as desperate as anyone to see L3 work. L5 will hit my household very badly indeed It doesn't even bare thinking about

This was posted a few minutes ago:

Polar101 wrote: »

R0 in the country 1.2, which is 1 in Dublin and 1.6 elsewhere. According to Stephen Donnelly.

That's a very significant difference

Gruffalux · 11-10-2020 06:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

But would you agree the situation was a lot lot worse in March April than it is now.

Of course. I have been saying that for ages.

Always_Running · 11-10-2020 06:40PM

Highest Monday to Sunday case count since April 13th to 19th when we had 5,596 cases.

The difference back then was we were testing roughly 40,000 people back then to 100,000 now. Which makes me wonder how many cases went undetected in March and April?

spookwoman · 11-10-2020 06:40PM

martingriff · 11-10-2020 06:41PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Looks like level 3 isn't reducing numbers the way we would have hoped. Unfortunately I can see them going to 5 in a week or so. Crap situation all round.

Its only been since Monday you will not see anything for at least 2 weeks

mloc123 · 11-10-2020 06:41PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye the Government are sleepwalking into a mess here, a lockdown now could mean Christmas is OK, instead they bury their head in the sand until the HSE is nearly overrun and they have no choice but to introduce it in 4-5 weeks time.

All this "save Christmas" talk is nonsense... You honestly think in 10 weeks time we can all go around and visit multiple family houses a day, head out for drinks etc...?

It is not gonna happen, even with level 5 tomorrow... Accept it now and stop dreaming.

Gruffalux · 11-10-2020 06:42PM

martingriff wrote: »

Its only been since Monday you will not see anything for at least 2 weeks

Donegal and Dublin

is_that_so · 11-10-2020 06:42PM

Russman wrote: »

I’d say there’s also an element of “we can’t go to 5 now, we’ll look like complete idiots, let’s cross our fingers that L3 works”

Sure, but if they do, NPHET will make it very hard to get out of, with their very narrow purview. An L5 from the end of next week could easily take until Christmas to reverse to L3.

washman3 · 11-10-2020 06:42PM

Russman wrote: »

Every chance there’ll be a vaccine by next summer.

Excallent. So this means this vaccine will cure AIDS and the Common Cold too.? Magic...:rolleyes:

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:42PM

Beasty wrote: »

Even if there is, who knows when the general population will be able to access it. We also have little idea as to how long it may offer protection. The flu vaccine this year is being rationed to those most at risk

True, but that’s in 9 months time. Hospitals could be overrun in a few weeks potentially. Obviously we hope not, and we’re all aware of how devastating a lockdown is, but apart from vague notions of “protect the vulnerable and carry on”, nobody seems to have a workable solution. Even the WHO in the link from earlier simply wants cup tries to come up with new ways and ideas.

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:43PM

washman3 wrote: »

Excallent. So this means this vaccine will cure AIDS and the Common Cold too.? Magic...:rolleyes:

Of course not, why would you suggest that ?

Ohhh right, the sarcasm thing.........well done, it was very very clever.

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 06:43PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Donegal and Dublin

Ya but its only in the last week the nation got a bit of a shock and kick in the hole. I think the mood is changing a bit. I think level 3 is enough and should be given time.

Spanish Eyes · 11-10-2020 06:43PM

I understand the rationale behind protecting the capacity of our hospitals coming into Winter with lockdowns.

However has there been ANY CEO of that organisation that has managed to sort it out at all? Anyway I think the big problem in HSE is the Unions. Throwing money at it has done little, well maybe it has, but it is not that evident. The nurses want more nurses, the docs want more docs, patients and their families want more beds and so on.

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. I don't know what the solution is, but maybe another thread will open for this subject.

On Covid, the Government could throw money at the vulnerable to keep them cocooned, and let it rip elsewhere. Is that a mad idea, given most of the cases now seem to involve a younger cohort and few deaths, YET.

Ger Roe · 11-10-2020 06:44PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1315237626744500225

Serious question - why is the death rate so low when we have reached record case numbers?

The high risk sections of society are protecting/being protected better than when we didn't know what we were facing, at the start. The virus has not changed (reduced in effectiveness), but because most of us are acting smarter, it will take a higher case count than at the start, to start infecting the more vulnerable.

The other death count risk is from other medical problems that will not be dealt with because the hospitals will be dealing with increased covid cases - although they will hopefully now have better outcomes (less covid death), due to the patients being less vulnerable and the fact that the hospitals have more experience of treatments.

A HSE director said at one of the conferences last week that an average non covid stay in hospital is 5 days, but the average Covid stay is 20. That in itself is a problem that needs to be avoided if the hospitals have any hope in dealing with even the normal winter issues - thankfully there is no mention of a vomit bug yet.

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:47PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but if they do, NPHET will make it very hard to get out of, with their very narrow purview. An L5 from the end of next week could easily take until Christmas to reverse to L3.

I agree. But what is a realistic alternative ? Everyone wants to avoid a lockdown for obvious reasons, but there’s not one workable option presented.

Lock up half the country so the other half can carry on ? Kinda makes a mockery of being a society rather than a bunch of individuals imo.

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 06:48PM

Russman wrote: »

I agree. But what is a realistic alternative ? Everyone wants to avoid a lockdown for obvious reasons, but there’s not one workable option presented.

Give level 3 a chance, its hasn't even been a week yet.

vafankillar · 11-10-2020 06:49PM

mloc123 wrote: »

All this "save Christmas" talk is nonsense... You honestly think in 10 weeks time we can all go around and visit multiple family houses a day, head out for drinks etc...?

It is not gonna happen, even with level 5 tomorrow... Accept it now and stop dreaming.

also, as a supermarket worker who works through most of chritsmas anyway, the idea that me and my co-workers should be overworked from now till december so we can save christmas for people who get 2 full weeks off isn't right either.

if we're going into lockdown it shouldn't be to save christmas, if anything it should include christmas as it would like shoot numbers back up again if we had it anyway normal.

though personally i'd like to see how level 3 works out nationally, and would like to see it policed a bit better

Strumms · 11-10-2020 06:49PM

it’s about finding the middle ground.

We want to avoid lockdown, we want to avoid at this point.. of opening everything up. So adhering to restrictions is the safe, considered and best course of action.

Russman · 11-10-2020 06:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Give level 3 a chance, its hasn't even been a week yet.

I’ve no issue with that at all.

BagheeraBlue · 11-10-2020 06:50PM

Lockdown depress people even more and open up for cases to rise again, its here and its gonna spread get over it

frank8211 · 11-10-2020 06:50PM

wadacrack wrote: »

They have been stopped bar elite sporting activities. It was going fine for the majority of sports but the GAA County finals etc have really caused some problems and now all sports will suffer likely until next year.

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/gaelic-games/579520/hard-to-fault-gaa-stance-after-so-many-flouted-regulations.html

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 06:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Give level 3 a chance, its hasn't even been a week yet.

People judging level 3 is judging it on Dublin. Of we were to judge level 3 on Dublin cases will rise for a week or 10 days and then flatten or decline very slowly.

Is that sufficient. Where will hospital numbers and icu be when it flattens?

Do you expect level 3 nationwide to work better than Dublin?

is_that_so · 11-10-2020 06:51PM

Russman wrote: »

I agree. But what is a realistic alternative ? Everyone wants to avoid a lockdown for obvious reasons, but there’s not one workable option presented.

We have to go with the risk and badger people constantly to behave. That could lead to a Level 2 in many places over the next 8 weeks or so. Going straight into one of the higher levels right now is a tacit admission we can't cope.

Micky 32 · 11-10-2020 06:51PM

mloc123 wrote: »

All this "save Christmas" talk is nonsense... You honestly think in 10 weeks time we can all go around and visit multiple family houses a day, head out for drinks etc...?

It is not gonna happen, even with level 5 tomorrow... Accept it now and stop dreaming.

Unfortunately with no sign of the virus easing off and talk of no one going to take the vaccine xmas 2021/2022 will be no different either. F*****g depressing.

Ger Roe · 11-10-2020 06:51PM

BagheeraBlue wrote: »

Lockdown depress people even more and open up for cases to rise again, its here and its gonna spread get over it

There is of course a serious risk that some people simply won't 'get over it'. That's the whole problem.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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