Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 05:53PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1315334395465736192?s=19

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 05:53PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

That's it. Lockdowns are an act of economic terrorism, attacking businesses and ordinary, decent people who are trying to earn a living.

rooney30 · 11-10-2020 05:53PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

Yeah , that’s fair comment .

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 05:53PM

432 men, 381 women
70% are under 45 years of age
Median age of the cases is 32 years old

bennyl10 · 11-10-2020 05:54PM

814
226 in Dublin

Again, level 3 stabilises but it doesn’t work in any feasible way

These numbers on a Sunday are bad

Artane2002 · 11-10-2020 05:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

226 in Dublin
77 in Cork
64 in Galway
56 in Donegal
48 in Meath

Remaining 343 cases are spread across all 21 other counties

although that doesn't look good for Dublin, I suspect cases there have always been around that mark but there appeared to be less cases due to the backlog being created. signs of stability?

Widdensushi · 11-10-2020 05:55PM

Good to see numbers down

DellyBelly · 11-10-2020 05:55PM

Drop of nearly 200 from yesterday..bit of good news

Roger_007 · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

What you are missing is that all the ‘experts’, political leaders have just one thing in common; none of them have the foggiest idea how and why the virus is spreading, nor do any of them know what to do about it.
Why did we have a so-called lockdown? Because other countries did it. The WHO are now saying that lockdowns do more harm than good.
In all things to do with this virus, we are taking advice from people who are just as ignorant as the rest of us.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

814
226 in Dublin

Again, level 3 stabilises but it doesn’t work in any feasible way

These numbers on a Sunday are bad

Well we won't know until tomorrow for swabs v cases announced.

Dublins 7 day average as far as I'm aware is lower so it does reduce, does it reduce to the level people want, probably not.

MarkY91 · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

Lockdown = thousands of house parties around the country 7 nights per week. Especially coming into halloween then the Christmas season.

SleetAndSnow · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

Artane2002 wrote: »

although that doesn't look good for Dublin, I suspect cases there have always been around that mark but there appeared to be less cases due to the backlog being created. signs of stability?

There was no backlog, yesterday's cases were all from the previous 24hrs.

Hopefully the 7 day average which was decreasing doesn't start increasing again

SPDUB · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Could it be so that the six one news can't lead with them?

Like how it went out air yesterday before they released the figures

bennyl10 · 11-10-2020 05:56PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Drop of nearly 200 from yesterday..bit of good news

On a Sunday, with yesterday having a backlog being cleared?

These are not great at all

TheValeyard · 11-10-2020 05:57PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Good to see numbers down

Isn't it usually lower on a Sunday or have I been given wrong information?

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 05:57PM

El Sueño wrote: »

It's been explained a million times why zero covid won't work here, why is it still being mentioned by the same posters? Are they being deliberately obtuse or what?

Yeah , supposed herd immunity and letting it rip while protecting the vulnerable ,has been mentioned by some other posters repeatedly after it has been debunked , so a lot of people being deliberately obtuse , or what !

Antares35 · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Isn't it usually lower on a Sunday or have I been given wrong information?

I think it's usually lower

MerlinSouthDub · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

226 in Dublin
77 in Cork
64 in Galway
56 in Donegal
48 in Meath

Remaining 343 cases are spread across all 21 other counties

Disappointing re Dublin

harr · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Drop of nearly 200 from yesterday..bit of good news

You have to take into account yesterday’s numbers included a substantial backlog.
800 + today is worrying

Bananaleaf · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What I am coming to realise is that a lockdown in Ireland is essentially a lockdown on businesses and the economy, and services of all kinds that people need - but there is absolutely no power or will to force individuals to comply with masks and social distancing, to stop house parties and mass gatherings, or the anti-social behavior prevalent in Dublin - and on top of it all schools are opened.

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

How do all these political leaders, experts, and other decision makers not see this? What am I missing?

There was an article I read which kind of went into this.

The point of it was that with level 3 restrictions, I cant go to Dublin if I live in Kildare. So, I do the socially responsible thing and stay in Kildare. I believe that because the restrictions theoretically allow me to go to Starbucks in Kildare and meet a friend for a coffee, I am safe while doing so. I am not. I'd be safer getting a coffee to go with my friend and walking outdoors. But because it is allowed, I feel safer doing it so may do it more regularly than I should and maybe not always with the same friend

So I think the idea behind a full lockdown is that it helps us to be socially distant in an effective way.

Not saying I agree with it, but it maybe it goes some way to explaining it

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

There was no backlog, yesterday's cases were all from the previous 24hrs.

Thats notified in the last 24hrs from HPSC. If HPSC don't process a result through the system from 3 days ago until yesterday for example then its correct to say notified in last 24hrs. We've no idea when the swab is from.

Notified in last 24hrs isn't the same as case confirmed in last 24hrs.

At this stage I've given up tracking any backlog because its not added up for a while now

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Isn't it usually lower on a Sunday or have I been given wrong information?

For the last few weeks theyve been clearing the backlog over saturday and sunday so not necessarily no

MelbourneMan · 11-10-2020 05:58PM

The_Brood wrote: »

So essentially the lockdown has no power to significantly stop the spread of the virus, but is destroying economy and life.

Quite the contrary. All elements or levels of lockdown reduce the spread of the virus. significantly. Tweaking the measures to the data is sensible, and can keep the levels within those acceptable to the goverment.

Widdensushi · 11-10-2020 05:59PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

On a Sunday, with yesterday having a backlog being cleared?

These are not great at all

I doubt that all the backlog was cleared yesterday

bennyl10 · 11-10-2020 05:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well we won't know until tomorrow for swabs v cases announced.

Dublins 7 day average as far as I'm aware is lower so it does reduce, does it reduce to the level people want, probably not.

We’ve had 2 big increase days this week, over 200, so the 7 day average will start to reflect them and the level stops lowering

This isn’t sufficient

Turtwig · 11-10-2020 06:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well we won't know until tomorrow for swabs v cases announced.

Dublins 7 day average as far as I'm aware is lower so it does reduce, does it reduce to the level people want, probably not.

The signs are good though. Early yet. Dublin may have stabilised. Problem now is whether that sustained rate of daily cases is within the health service capacity. I don't think it is but I know others think different and I'm not going to disagree with them. One way or the other we're probably going to find out.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 06:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well we won't know until tomorrow for swabs v cases announced.

Dublins 7 day average as far as I'm aware is lower so it does reduce, does it reduce to the level people want, probably not.

I think after a 100 case day dropping off the 7 day average and today's 220 or so in Dublin it's back to flat.

igCorcaigh · 11-10-2020 06:02PM

The backlog issue makes the data spiker and hard to interpret, but I think that's trying to look through finely at case data.

You can only hope to determine trends, and the trends are clear regardless of the backlog.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 06:02PM

Turtwig wrote: »

The signs are good though. Early yet. Dublin may have stabilised. Problem now is whether that sustained rate of daily cases is within the health service capacity. I don't think it is but I know others think different and I'm not going to disagree with them. One way or the other we're probably going to find out.

I'd be of the same thinking of yourself. It does appear to have an impact but weather that impact is acceptable is still to be seen

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 06:03PM

Turtwig wrote: »

The signs are good though. Early yet. Dublin may have stabilised. Problem now is whether that sustained rate of daily cases is within the health service capacity. I don't think it is but I know others think different and I'm not going to disagree with them. One way or the other we're probably going to find out.

I think it depends on if people are willing to accept non covid healthcare being cancelled. Its happened in some hospitals recently and will probably happen more soon.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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