Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

11-10-2020 01:17PM

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

Personally, I feel this is a selfish, cowardly attitude. We can't all jump ship the moment things go sour. Leaving whoever's left behind to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess. It's one of our worst habits IMO.
Irish emigrants should continue to be taxed here, like what the US does.

Us emigrants file a tax return, they don’t necessarily pay any tax in the us unless they didn’t pay tax on income in their country of residence

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 01:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1315263838674137088?s=21

So full steam ahead as usual, no measures to try to make things safer for people is the plan they are sticking to, not even entertaining the ****ing idea that schools could be an issue even with plenty of studies done around the world. God im so fed up

Strumms · 11-10-2020 01:20PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This is not true, most schools have apps, e-mail, many methods of communication with their pupils while they're at home. This approach did not work, especially for younger children. They are very far behind in their school curriculums. Some of these children need school for stability, food, a mentor they don't have at home, to learn social behaviours, etc. They need to be onsite and learning - you would know this if you looked into how the School Curriculum works, it's online for all to read. Your attitude towards young people, dismissing the importance of their Education, like some other posters on this thread is shocking and needs to be called out.

Food ? Hardly, covid payment pays for food.

A mentor ? A teachers job is to educate.

Parents mentor.

Yes there are things they miss out on not being in school, but they , families and wider society are safer. That’s the priority.

If this was world war 3 and the government instigated a curfew of 7pm, we’d still have people saying “ ohhh you can’t do that, young people, mental health “ this is a war, a health war, but the enemy is within the state.

Deeper Blue · 11-10-2020 01:20PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The only people who have explained this are those that would be adversely affected from such a decision. Michael O'Leary et al are the main dissenters and as we know they have deep pockets. Trying to say 'it's being explained" is just a fast one to rubbish the argument without actually discussing the cost benefit.

I'm getting sick of being locked down and being blamed for spreading it. Government needs to be held to account at some stage.

Nope loads of people have explained it, it's completely unworkable in the EU and even more so because of the NI border. It just can't happen simple as that.

castletownman · 11-10-2020 01:23PM

ax530 wrote: »

Good luck to you hope speedy recovery.
Was country final last Sunday or week before?

County final was last Sunday, seven days ago.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 01:24PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

My take (as espoused by Dr Ronan Glynn and Professor Brian Nolan) is that almost all false positives show up as low positives. These cases are retested before being included in positive case numbers.

Actual false positives (as opposed to false low positives) would be under 0.1%. Remember the meat plan widespread testing showed a positivity rate of 0.2% which means that the false positive rate cannot be above that.

That's what De Gascsn said 0.2%, it seems low the way samples are collected in places like the underground car parks in the wide open as I witnessed in the Galway Clinic, literally a stool beside a porta cabin and a running taxi a few meters away.

The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%
I don't see how we can be so different to the UK estimates, it's hard to believe. Are we basing that figure one one meat factory results, it would be a very limited study if so.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Boggles · 11-10-2020 01:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1315263838674137088?s=21

Important bit left out underneath it.

That very adamant near-guarantee, I can tell you, is something that not everyone around Cabinet agrees with.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:27PM

Deshawn wrote: »

A temporary manned border between the Republic of Ireland and UK (northern Ireland) is required. People from Northern Ireland should not be coming into the Republic to work , holiday etc.

This will never end

I have a cousin who lives in Strabane but works in Letterkenny, so she should quit her job?

Oranage2 · 11-10-2020 01:27PM

Strumms wrote: »

Food ? Hardly, covid payment pays for food.

A mentor ? A teachers job is to educate.

Parents mentor.

Yes there are things they miss out on not being in school, but they , families and wider society are safer. That’s the priority.

If this was world war 3 and the government instigated a curfew of 7pm, we’d still have people saying “ ohhh you can’t do that, young people, mental health “ this is a war, a health war, but the enemy is within the state.

Reminds me of those zombie movies, eventually it's not the zombies, it becomes other people that are the threat.

khalessi · 11-10-2020 01:28PM

Mon of Health on radio 1saying no plan to extend Midterm break. Schools not contributing to increasing numbers, reports he is getting is schools safe for children
Evidence seen across the world.

Well HSE only reading European research not South Korea or India

Micky 32 · 11-10-2020 01:29PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Reminds me of those zombie movies, eventually it's not the zombies, it becomes other people that are the threat.

You really need to stop watching zombie movies.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 01:32PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have a cousin who lives in Strabane but works in Letterkenny, so she should quit her job?

She shouldn't be traveling into the Republic. If that means she cannot attend her job then she can avail of the UK covid unemployment scheme.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 01:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

Important bit left out underneath it.

PR machine really doing its job now working on making Donnelly look good.
Worked well for closing the pubs, NPHET leak a level 5, Micheál Martin closes all pubs and restaurants and looks good for standing up to NPHET.

Were being played and can't even see it.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:32PM

Deshawn wrote: »

She shouldn't be traveling into the Republic. If that means she cannot attend her job then she can avail of the UK covid unemployment scheme.

She's a doctor in LK GH

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 01:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

Mon of Health on radio 1saying no plan to extend Midterm break. Schools not contributing to increasing numbers, reports he is getting is schools safe for children
Evidence seen across the world.

Well HSE only reading European research not South Korea or India

Why is he looking at evidence across the world, evidence is right here....you can't say no issue in Dublin schools..

khalessi · 11-10-2020 01:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is he looking at evidence across the world, evidence is right here....you can't say no issue in Dublin schools..

He is ignoring Irish schools as then he might discover that 344 of them have cases

Miike · 11-10-2020 01:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is he looking at evidence across the world, evidence is right here....you can't say no issue in Dublin schools..

Where did you get this? Is there more data?

dzsfah2xoynme9 · 11-10-2020 01:36PM

Anyone know what's happening with theory tests in other counties? I have my CPC truck case studies test on Friday week in a different county to mine and I was wondering if it'll be cancelled.

Ger Roe · 11-10-2020 01:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is he looking at evidence across the world, evidence is right here....you can't say no issue in Dublin schools..

The issues in Schools, aren't just cases of covid - their operational effectiveness is not being considered. Keep calm and carry on... in my experience of second level students, even the pupils are not buying it.

They are not happy about being pressured into turning up for sub standard service.

Happydays2020 · 11-10-2020 01:39PM

Strumms wrote: »

If we had capacity to help while keeping the show on the road for our folks, certainly, we simply, don’t.

Is it as simple as that? When you look at things on a hospital by hospital basis it may make sense.

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 01:42PM

Donnelly says R in Dublin is 1, rest of country is 1.6

Martina1991 · 11-10-2020 01:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

0.8% rate of false positives if we're testing 19,000 a day means we have 152 false positives a day. That's 152 red herrings were wasting time contact tracing per day. Some are testing positive for RNA they had months ago, then we're contact tracing them as well, pretty much waste of time testing a lot of people.

You think 0.8% of all tests are false positives.

1,319,299 x 0.8% = 10,554 "false positives "

We've had 45,937 cases to date.

10,5534/45,937 = 22.97%

So you think 23% of all of our cases are false with a test that has >99% specificity. ie. >99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

You. Are. Wrong.

11-10-2020 01:45PM

khalessi wrote: »

He is ignoring Irish schools as then he might discover that 344 of them have cases

How many of those were contracted in school?

Martina1991 · 11-10-2020 01:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So what's our false positive rate the CCO was meant to put it in writing to the covid response committee as he didn't know when questioned, I haven't seen the number made public. The UK are running at around .8% by estimates but a Newstalk tweet from De Gascun said ours was .2%

Why do you believe the UK government over Ireland when the UK haven't done anything right when it comes to testing.

E36Ross · 11-10-2020 01:48PM

Lia Ripe Gasket wrote: »

Anyone know what's happening with theory tests in other counties? I have my CPC truck case studies test on Friday week in a different county to mine and I was wondering if it'll be cancelled.

Had a CPC course yesterday and that went ahead.... Because we're 'essential workers' and its 'education'

13 people in the room for a 7 hour course.

Not sure about case studies though.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 01:48PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

You think 0.8% of all tests are false positives.

1,319,299 x 0.8% = 10,554 "false positives "

We've had 45,937 cases to date.

10,5534/45,937 = 22.97%

So you think 23% of all of our cases are false with a test that has >99% specificity. ie. >99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

You. Are. Wrong.

We've went over this Martina, I think nothing, I've linked to the UK estimates, your taking Scientist data and swinging it around calling it my data to rubbish it. That's dishonest posting.

11-10-2020 01:49PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

You think 0.8% of all tests are false positives.

1,319,299 x 0.8% = 10,554 "false positives "

We've had 45,937 cases to date.

10,5534/45,937 = 22.97%

So you think 23% of all of our cases are false with a test that has >99% specificity. ie. >99% rate of detecting the virus when it is present.

You. Are. Wrong.

Not to mention the hundreds of positive cases we should have had every week in June and July if this were true. It is a fact conveniently avoided by proponents of this theory.

Deshawn · 11-10-2020 01:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

She's a doctor in LK GH

So she is an essential worker?

Strange that you left that but out until I gave my reply. Pants on fire?

Don't you also have cousins in America who were directly affected by the race riots?
From a different thread a few weeks back

Ger Roe · 11-10-2020 01:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How many of those were contracted in school?

What does that matter? We don't force any other of our citizens into indoor locations (in greater numbers and less distance than would be acceptable anywhere else) where they might be at risk of catching it?

These are questions that I have been asked by young people - why us?

Strumms · 11-10-2020 01:51PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is it as simple as that? When you look at things on a hospital by hospital basis it may make sense.

We don’t have the resources as regards people, equipment or beds.

If you told a doctor, nurse or any staff member at a hospital now... “ohhh we are opening up to take in NI folks. Regardless of hierarchy hr policy on communication , they'd be quite rightly told to fûck off.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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