Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

crossman47 · 11-10-2020 10:50AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Lots of meaningless words that fail to answer the question. Can anyone tell me what NPHET(/HSE/Government) are doing in a tangible way to improve our disgraceful testing and tracing system and to increase hospital bed and ICU capacity?

Well NPHET are not doing anything about your issues since it is not their job.

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 10:53AM

crossman47 wrote: »

Well NPHET are not doing anything about your issues since it is not their job.

Sure the deities in NPHET aren't responsible for anything :rolleyes:

crossman47 · 11-10-2020 10:54AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Sure the deities in NPHET aren't responsible for anything :rolleyes:

They are responsible for medical advice to government, who may or may not accept it.

Thespoofer · 11-10-2020 10:55AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I don't see level 5 happening...

It will be level 4. Dublin may stay level 3 due to improving picture.

I really, really hope you're right about level 5 not happening..

mandrake04 · 11-10-2020 10:55AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Keep hearing that NZ's suppression strategy failed because more cases are inevitable. They were able to have 30,000 spectators for rugby match vs Australia this weekend. Doesn't look like failure to me.

Dont mention NZ, its not relevant and it upsets some people here when they see other people living normal lives.

Thespoofer · 11-10-2020 10:56AM

Also I'm getting kinda sick of bad news being leaked every Sunday leave us the f#$k alone please.

mandrake04 · 11-10-2020 10:58AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Not sure you have absorbed the extent of New Zealand's geographic isolation yet.

But some people just don't like to accept the reality that it is impossible to replicate the NZ response in Ireland.

I dont think anyone is saying replicate.. that horse was flogged to death...the minerals just were not there, but its great to observe....although crap match.

Gods Gift · 11-10-2020 11:01AM

We’ll have to rename the football song to
Put” em Under Quarantine.

Miike · 11-10-2020 11:02AM

Thespoofer wrote: »

Also I'm getting kinda sick of bad news being leaked every Sunday leave us the f#$k alone please.

What was leaked today? I must have missed it

Gael23 · 11-10-2020 11:03AM

Government offering to take patients from the north if they become overwhelmed

The are hell bent on locking us up

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 11:03AM

Total of 7 Ireland players unavailable since Thursday due to covid.

Wales available at 15/8 with the bookies if anyones interested
https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1315229985389506631?s=19

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 11:04AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Government offering to take patients from the north if they become overwhelmed

The are hell bent on locking us up

Where did you see this

ZX7R · 11-10-2020 11:05AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The issue for me with the 'circuit breaker' is the plausibility of the 'short' aspect. It took, what, 10 weeks of total lockdown to bring the virus under control first time round. So with what I understand would be less severe restrictions in some respects, I can't see why it would not need to last till Christmas...

During the first lockdown infection numbers had stabilized and we're dropping after 4 weeks of lockdown.
Irish government kept restrictions for 10 weeks based solely on medical advice of Tony and co.
The working idea of the circuit breaker is to stabilize numbers of infection and open up till the next one is needed.
If the Irish government were to go the route of circuit breaker the 5 level plan would be completely null and void.
You simply cannot have both plans implemented at the same time.

The HorsesMouth · 11-10-2020 11:06AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Government offering to take patients from the north if they become overwhelmed

The are hell bent on locking us up

If that is the case then that is the proper and correct thing to do to help out our neighbours.

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 11:06AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Total of 7 Ireland players unavailable since Thursday due to covid.

Wales available at 15/8 with the bookies if anyones interested
https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1315229985389506631?s=19

I was under the impression false positives did not occur, the test is practically 100% effective.

zinfandel · 11-10-2020 11:08AM

Necro wrote: »

I've my own issues with the HSE at the moment, still no follow up call about my close contacts, it's hugely frustrating. Like my doctor got the results on Thursday, it's now Sunday!

I think NPHET will always err on the side of harsher restrictions fwiw - their job is to manage the virus.

I'm actually surprised it took so long for the government not to take their advice. When we were in our lull coming out of lockdown a lot of us, myself included were upset with them moving the goalposts for the pubs and then for football at the time.

i hope you are doing ok and recover quickly, with 1000 positives a day now, there is no way proper contact tracing will happen, is there not now a duty of care if somebody tests positive that they should themselves where possible contact any known close contacts that they were in close contact with?
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Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 11:09AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I was under the impression false positives did not occur, the test is practically 100% effective.

Depends on the test. Some of the quick private tests aren't as accurate.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 11:09AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I was under the impression false positives did not occur, the test is practically 100% effective.

There's a 1.2% or so rate of low positives recently. These aren't included in the daily case numbers are retested. 0.8% turn out to be false positives and 0.4% turn out to be actual positives.

Private services where testing is done daily anyway tend to count a low positive as a positive. Also daily private testing may use different tests.

KrustyUCC · 11-10-2020 11:11AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The issue for me with the 'circuit breaker' is the plausibility of the 'short' aspect. It took, what, 10 weeks of total lockdown to bring the virus under control first time round. So with what I understand would be less severe restrictions in some respects, I can't see why it would not need to last till Christmas...

That's the thing

No matter what Leo and NPHET promise it won't just be 3 or 4 weeks of a 'circuit breaker'

The last time Leo had a three week circuit breaker the schools didn't open for six months and we had the likes of Woddies and IKEA closed for months

we were amongst the slowest if not the slowest in Europe opening up

if we do go for a 'circuit breaker' no way things will be even at level three for Christmas

Happydays2020 · 11-10-2020 11:12AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

New Zealand, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam and China have beat back the virus with good governance and a populace that buys into the idea of social responsibility for the good of all. This has enabled life to continue to as near normal as possible and business to survive.

Here we just keep going around in circles.

Yes we are going around in circles. By virtue of our small open economy, being part of a bigger economic bloc and last big not least our open land border with NI, a zero Covid strategy would have been impossible to do.

Fair play to NZ and the countries who had the conditions necessary to do it, but we just don’t.

Necro · 11-10-2020 11:13AM

zinfandel wrote: »

i hope you are doing ok and recover quickly, with 1000 positives a day now, there is no way proper contact tracing will happen, is there not now a duty of care if somebody tests positive that they should themselves where possible contact any known close contacts that they were in close contact with?
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Oh I've absolutely done that, any of my close contacts are now restricting their movements, one was tested this morning, the other two can't get tests as CareDoc (the out of hours GP service) won't refer them told them they had to wait until the contact tracers contacted them. So they're caught in a loop of not being able to be tested until their GP surgeries reopen on Monday OR the contact tracers contact me.

It's fine in my instance, but what about in the case where someone doesn't bother - perhaps doesn't have a number for a close contact?

shocksy · 11-10-2020 11:14AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

If that is the case then that is the proper and correct thing to do to help out our neighbours.

Is it fu*k, they got themselves into that mess, they'll have to sort it themselves, let Westminster sort them out. We'll have enough pressure on the hospital system in the coming days and weeks without adding to that with other patients from NI. We can barely cope as it is without putting more patients into the Irish system. That wouldn't go down well at all with the public.

New Home · 11-10-2020 11:15AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's a 1.2% or so rate of low positives recently. These aren't included in the daily case numbers are retested. 0.8% turn out to be false positives and 0.4% turn out to be actual positives.

Private services where testing is done daily anyway tend to count a low positive as a positive. Also daily private testing may use different tests.

I'd be more concerned by the rate of false negatives... Would you know what that rate is, by chance? Thanks.

11-10-2020 11:15AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's a 1.2% or so rate of low positives recently. These aren't included in the daily case numbers are retested. 0.8% turn out to be false positives and 0.4% turn out to be actual positives.

Private services where testing is done daily anyway tend to count a low positive as a positive. Also daily private testing may use different tests.

Where is this reported?

11-10-2020 11:19AM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

The problem is we had level 2 with no enforcement and we now have level 3 with no meaningful enforcement. That's led us to the situation we are now in.

I'm now in my 3rd month of unemployment. Been working for last 23 years continuously and this is the first time in my life that I'm in receipt of social welfare. My wife is a nurse and is dealing with the serious side of the virus on daily basis. She herself has elderly parents they rely heavily on her and she is taking a risk everything she goes to work.

I fully support a Circuit Break approach - a full shut down for 3 weeks. Everything bar emergency services, supermarkets and pharmacies to close. This should be fully enforced along with stringent Border restrictions.

Let the North clean up their own mess. Its a farce that I can't go from Meath to Kildare but people from Down to Louth etc.

Then we we scale back to a fully enforced level 4 and work our way back to level 2. The reality is, and for all its faults, the level 2 restrictions if applied and strictly enforced allow me and my family to get back to some level of normality.

Masks should be mandatory with exceptions for those who for extreme media reasons can't wear them. If any group decide they want to march up Grafton St for any reason, they should be stopped with a water canon.

What's going to change in level 5 that's going to reduce numbers? The issue is non enforcement of the thing that causes most of the spread i.e limiting social contacts. Why can't people understand that if you are only in close contact with a handful of people in any given week, the opportunities for spreading the virus are massively reduced?

People self policed early on in the pandemic as most people didn't know what we were dealing with and were afraid of the consequences. The fear is mostly gone and with it complacency has set in.

In addition to that, where's the evidence that 3 weeks would be sufficient?

xvril · 11-10-2020 11:19AM

WHO are now saying dont use lockdowns I see.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/DQMBCUNNRCHCBLCITIMKOYXLRU/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602404342

mountgomery burns · 11-10-2020 11:20AM

niamh247 wrote: »

It is so ridiculous that people re still scared to point at schools. Schools are the exchange hubs for asymptomatic transmission. Data doesn't catch it. Government is using lack of data for its advantage to keep the schools open.

Objective was about sending parents to work, not to ensure learning of kids or their mental health as guv claimed when the schools re-opened.

It's NPHET who are saying theres been no strong evidence of outbreaks here. Reassured everyone with the international evidence prior to them opening.

Said cases and outbreaks will happen but are less likely than other settings. So why does this come back on a government agenda? The same crowd lauding them for the level 5 recomendation, also go on about the Government's agenda to keep school open yet if you believe that they are behind the rise and that's being hidden why not criticize those that are interpreting and presenting the data?

I've had loads of problems with the government since late June, but I also don't think the DoH + HSE dream team are infallible like some around here.

Gael23 · 11-10-2020 11:21AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Where did you see this

Heard it on the radio but maybe it’s just a proposal at this stage.

Our ICU numbers are stable today

GazzaL · 11-10-2020 11:22AM

It's unbelievable that NPHET want to ignore the WHO and put the entire country into lockdown. Once again, NPHET are ignoring science and making things up as they go along. Their policies are threatening to destroy the country and people's lives.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 11:25AM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's unbelievable that NPHET want to ignore the WHO and put the entire country into lockdown. Once again, NPHET are ignoring science and making things up as they go along. Their policies are threatening to destroy the country and people's lives.

What exactly are the WHO suggesting a country such as Ireland with the meger hospital capacity do instead?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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