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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #7322
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,505 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Keep hearing that NZ's suppression strategy failed because more cases are inevitable. They were able to have 30,000 spectators for rugby match vs Australia this weekend. Doesn't look like failure to me.

    They haven't a land border with Arlene who's preference would be to burn us Catholics at the stake if given half the chance.

    We can't do a NZ on it unless the Government return our guns we foolishly gave up.


  • #7323
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I'm not all that convinced by them for that reason, length of time is not guaranteed. They can easily become just a full-on open-ended restriction. The other issue is the type of tension a NPHET-government view of this would bring.

    That is the problem ,it's not getting support from the medical field.
    And for it to work properly you would need agreement across the EU.
    If individual countries start to implement them at different times it would end up disastrous for both the public and economically.


  • #7324
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    GazzaL wrote: »
    NPHET are the steering committee. They are responsible for overseeing and providing direction for how the country deals with COVID. Have you seen who makes up NPHET?

    Some people seem to want to deify them and absolve them of any blame. They are not above criticism.

    Have to agree with you, if Nphet are right about something the government are idiots for not following it but if they are wrong about something its only advice. They seem to be immune from any criticism on here.


  • #7325
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    There are alot more people with lasting affects, I'm not scare-mongering. This virus is a lottery and just don't know what way it will go for you.
    It's more like Russian roulette than the lottery, only played with hand grenades, in the way it can affect not only the one "playing" it.


  • #7326
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    “Circuit breaker” catchy phrase isn’t it, one of my favurite covid related phrases, a close second to “flatten the curve” for me. Bojo coined it I think, then our guys poached it in less than 24 hours.

    Yes he did and the irony is they are in the best position to implement it


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  • #7327
    Chicke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Chicke


    I see rules being broken everywhere.Went into a small shop Friday.The teller was behind the screen with no mask.Another teller in the middle of the shop without mask talking to customer without mask. Said it to the teller behind screen that I couldnt understand how people were not wearing masks in the current situation and she gave me a really nasty look(ie if looks could kill🙄) .This shop serves hundreds a day


  • #7328
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,679 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Have to agree with you, if Nphet are right about something the government are idiots for not following it but if they are wrong about something its only advice. They seem to be immune from any criticism on here.

    Nope. Not true. But blaming them for the test and trace system, the abject failure of the HSE for decades in all facets and the government not knowing their arse from their elbow is ridiculous.

    There's no winners in a pandemic, the deliberate nonsense by a couple of posters to blame NPHET for everything from the economy to testing and tracing to 9/11 is rightly being called out as what it is... those posters simply not having a clue what NPHET actually do.


  • #7329
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I went into tesco's yesterday in limerick and I was absolutely shocked by what I saw, everyone single person was wearing a mask and everybody was 2 metres apart at the checkout.


  • #7330
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Necro wrote: »
    Nope. Not true. But blaming them for the test and trace system, the abject failure of the HSE for decades in all facets and the government not knowing their arse from their elbow is ridiculous.

    There's no winners in a pandemic, the deliberate nonsense by a couple of posters to blame NPHET for everything from the economy to testing and tracing to 9/11 is rightly being called out as what it is... those posters simply not having a clue what NPHET actually do.

    That is very few posters in fairness, the old line of its just advice gets said too often. Is their any accountability for their actions or can it all be just brushed off with the just advice line. We can all agree that the HSE is a completely inept organisation.


  • #7331
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,725 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Not sure you have absorbed the extent of New Zealand's geographic isolation yet.

    But some people just don't like to accept the reality that it is impossible to replicate the NZ response in Ireland.

    I never made reference to Ireland in my post


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  • #7332
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,414 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I went into tesco's yesterday in limerick and I was absolutely shocked by what I saw, everyone single person was wearing a mask and everybody was 2 metres apart at the checkout.

    Great to hear that.
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #7333
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Chicke wrote: »
    I see rules being broken everywhere.Went into a small shop Friday.The teller was behind the screen with no mask.Another teller in the middle of the shop without mask talking to customer without mask. Said it to the teller behind screen that I couldnt understand how people were not wearing masks in the current situation and she gave me a really nasty look(ie if looks could kill🙄) .This shop serves hundreds a day

    Did you have to go in to that shop ? I would have walked out . We all have to look after ourselves


  • #7334
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    They would need to stop all house parties or they are back to square one.

    Definitely. If it means a ban on alcohol sales so be it. Sure we already have ridiculous rules for alcohol - I need to buy a can of cider today to bake a ham but I can't buy it until 1230.
    Unfortunately they dont seem to have the political will to do it. The hysterics of the drunkards would be quiet funny if they did.
    Well Leo decided last Monday night that the government were driving the bus and taking firm control of the situation. His neck is on the line now - I think they've got to grow a pair.


  • #7335
    Chicke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Chicke


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Did you have to go in to that shop ? I would have walked out . We all have to look after ourselves

    .It was only when I was at the till that the second shopkeeper walked into the middle of the store maskless and talked to a customer who came in without a mask.At that time I had been in the shop for several minutes. If the shops are not compliant what hope is.there!!I will.be ringing the manager


  • #7336
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,679 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    niallo27 wrote: »
    That is very few posters in fairness, the old line of its just advice gets said too often. Is their any accountability for their actions or can it all be just brushed off with the just advice line. We can all agree that the HSE is a completely inept organisation.

    I've my own issues with the HSE at the moment, still no follow up call about my close contacts, it's hugely frustrating. Like my doctor got the results on Thursday, it's now Sunday!

    I think NPHET will always err on the side of harsher restrictions fwiw - their job is to manage the virus.

    I'm actually surprised it took so long for the government not to take their advice. When we were in our lull coming out of lockdown a lot of us, myself included were upset with them moving the goalposts for the pubs and then for football at the time.


  • #7337
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Keep hearing that NZ's suppression strategy failed because more cases are inevitable. They were able to have 30,000 spectators for rugby match vs Australia this weekend. Doesn't look like failure to me.

    New Zealand, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam and China have beat back the virus with good governance and a populace that buys into the idea of social responsibility for the good of all. This has enabled life to continue to as near normal as possible and business to survive.

    Here we just keep going around in circles.


  • #7338
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    The covid case which cause hassle for the Irish team in Slovakia appears to have been a false postive

    https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1315210779759718401?s=19


  • #7339
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    mr_edge_to_you wrote: »
    They would need to stop all house parties or they are back to square one.

    Definitely. If it means a ban on alcohol sales so be it. Sure we already have ridiculous rules for alcohol - I need to buy a can of cider today to bake a ham but I can't buy it until 1230.


    ....

    Thank you! This pisses me off to no end. I always find myself not being able to by wine for cooking in the morning. The laws treat us like children.


  • #7340
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,505 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Chicke wrote: »
    I see rules being broken everywhere.Went into a small shop Friday.The teller was behind the screen with no mask.

    They done nothing wrong you don't have to wear a mask behind a screen in retail.


  • #7341
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The covid case which cause hassle for the Irish team in Slovakia appears to have been a false postive

    https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/1315210779759718401?s=19

    When you've supported the Irish International football team as long as I have, you get used to false positives.


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  • #7342
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    If alcohol sales were banned tomorrow, you'd still be able to buy alcohol on the black market or by making a trip up north or abroad.

    If NPHET/HSE/Government used half the energy spent talking bollocks about the difference between wet pubs, dry pubs, €9 immunity meals and so on to develop proper testing and tracing capabilities and improving hospital bed and ICU capacities, we'd be in a far better place.

    The people proposing banning this, that and the other and locking everyone in their own homes are away with the birds. COVID is here to stay. We can't shut down the country any more.


  • #7343
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    Chicke wrote: »
    I see rules being broken everywhere.Went into a small shop Friday.The teller was behind the screen with no mask.Another teller in the middle of the shop without mask talking to customer without mask. Said it to the teller behind screen that I couldnt understand how people were not wearing masks in the current situation and she gave me a really nasty look(ie if looks could kill🙄) .This shop serves hundreds a day

    Yeah seen that in a well known hardware store yesterday. I'd say 70% wearing masks and 30% with none whatsoever. Also what's this epic stupidity of wearing ones mask below the nose just covering the mouth?? Seeing it everywhere :mad:


  • #7344
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    They haven't a land border with Arlene who's preference would be to burn us Catholics at the stake if given half the chance.

    We can't do a NZ on it unless the Government return our guns we foolishly gave up.

    She was very well received when she attended Martin McGuinness' funeral.
    Just sayin'


  • #7345
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,679 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Thank you! This pisses me off to no end. I always find myself not being able to by wine for cooking in the morning. The laws treat us like children.

    Only thing about banning the sale of alcohol is that I've never seen any instance where prohibition ever worked. Limiting the sale now, that might be more of an option imo.


  • #7346
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    GazzaL wrote: »
    If alcohol sales were banned tomorrow, you'd still be able to buy alcohol on the black market or by making a trip up north or abroad.

    If NPHET/HSE/Government used half the energy spent talking bollocks about the difference between wet pubs, dry pubs, €9 immunity meals and so on to develop proper testing and tracing capabilities and improving hospital bed and ICU capacities, we'd be in a far better place.

    The people proposing banning this, that and the other and locking everyone in their own homes are away with the birds. COVID is here to stay. We can't shut down the country any more.

    A high of 19,000 tests a day is an excellant job by whoever develops our testing capacity.

    The tracing system is breaking down atm and that a pity. Wish it was more advanced.

    Hospital beds and ICU need big investment over a longer period that has been lacking.


  • #7347
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,105 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    ZX7R wrote: »
    The problem with a circuit breaker is that it's a governmental objective it's been talked about in europe also but the problem been it's not getting much support from the medical side.
    A circuit breaker will have a less impact on economies in short to midum term.
    For a circuit breaker to work there has too be an agreed length of time start to finish and to get the public and business sector to buy into it .
    And then you would have to have the bare minimum of restrictions after it.
    Some statistics see that you would need to do it at least 3 time's in a year.
    The idea is not getting support form medical perspective as you would let your hospitals ect build up to near capacity between breakers.

    The issue for me with the 'circuit breaker' is the plausibility of the 'short' aspect. It took, what, 10 weeks of total lockdown to bring the virus under control first time round. So with what I understand would be less severe restrictions in some respects, I can't see why it would not need to last till Christmas...


  • #7348
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Heard a good one from a lad at work yesterday. A few women he knows, close enough neighbours on the north side of cork city went off to Spain for 2 weeks and back now! No bother to them at all, supposedly got abuse for going out shopping etc! Isolating now anyway.
    If this is true, you’d wonder how cases did increase so rapidly in Cork and or Dublin, you’ve muppets like that not giving a flying fûck!!

    Plenty of....."Ah sure what's the harm".

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114259288&postcount=9270


  • #7349
    Necro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,679 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    A high of 19,000 tests a day is an excellant job by whoever develops our testing capacity.

    The tracing system is breaking down atm and that a pity. Wish it was more advanced.

    Hospital beds and ICU need big investment over a longer period that has been lacking.

    Yeah agreed with this, there seems to be a big issue in the tracing side of things, but that I suspect is a result of the large increase in cases in the past few weeks.


  • #7350
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Yeah 0.05% risk of dying from it if you're under 45 same risk as dying from a lightening strike we might as well never leave the house so with that logic.
    A 1 in 2000 chance of dying of Covid if under 45 (as per your number of 0.05%) is not the same as as 0.1 per 1,000,000 chance per year in Ireland of being killed by lightning. Last case I can find in Ireland is of a teenager who died in Dublin in 2008.

    Higher risk of dying from lighting strike in other countries but nowhere near 1 in 2000. Lifetime risk in USA of being hit by lightning is 1 in 180,000.


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  • #7351
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    GazzaL wrote: »
    If alcohol sales were banned tomorrow, you'd still be able to buy alcohol on the black market or by making a trip up north or abroad.

    You'd need some travel restrictions in place to stop people travelling a few hundred miles (in some cases) to get a few cans to have while watching the match.


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