Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 01:55AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

Almost reminds me of stories (myths?) of women in NY getting attacked/raped, don't shout rape, shout FIRE!

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:57AM

Arghus wrote: »

Dissapointed? Why would I be Dissapointed? That implies I'm somehow looking forward excitedly to the prospect of countries going into lockdown and I'll be somehow dissapointed if it doesn't happen. That's a strange way of characterising my view on it to be honest. I'd be pleasently surprised if countries can avoid such an outcome. Wouldn't any sane person?

I'm very familiar with Germany and the mindset of the Germans. They would not tolerate the inefficiency endemic in this country including the health care system. I made my comment to another poster specific to Germany you transposed it to the Irish experience . I'm leaving it there.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:58AM

New Home wrote: »

See, I wasn't referring to him at all. It was a remark on his username and on the number of citizens erased by covid, in Argentina and elsewhere. So yes, you did jump the gun.

You miss the bit where I said ' apologies' if I jumped the gun. I had the grace to apologise if I took you up wrong which appears on clarification I did.
Good night.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:00AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

When you get a chance read the constitution about private property rights.

11-10-2020 02:00AM

Arghus wrote: »

Dissapointed? Why would I be Dissapointed? That implies I'm somehow looking forward excitedly to the prospect of countries going into lockdown and I'll be somehow dissapointed if it doesn't happen. That's a strange way of characterising my view on it to be honest. I'd be pleasently surprised if countries can avoid such an outcome. Wouldn't any sane person?

I don't think that you would be disappointed, only a lunatic would be.

Germany already handled first instance quite well in most cases and given the steps they have taken since I would think that they still will

https://www.deutschland.de/en/news/german-federal-government-informs-about-the-corona-crisis

If anything they are flexible in their response and certainly pumping a lot of money into it and incentives for their population that a lot of people here would be complaining about their taxes being spent on.

The_Brood · 11-10-2020 02:03AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When you get a chance read the constitution about private property rights.

Private property rights allows you to spread a virus around society that results in the total lockdown of life for all residents as we know it?

Fantastic how that's not being challenged then. Fantastic how we will be in lockdows forever.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-10-2020 02:04AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When you get a chance read the constitution about private property rights.

You seem like the type of person who will blame the government when the country is destroyed.

These people are doing it for us and you scream "rights!".

You're entitled to do that, just don't criticise anyone else afterward.

majcos · 11-10-2020 02:04AM

polesheep wrote: »

We need a detailed breakdown of 'health care workers'. How many infected health care workers were in the nursing/care home sector where they were left without adequate PPE?

In last two weeks analysed Sept 15th to 29th
27% of cases in HCWs linked to acute hospitals,
21.5% to nursing homes,
11.6% to community services,
6.4% centre for disabilities,
18.9% other place of work (private practice/clinic/home care/health care centre,
13.3% unknown,
3.4% community hospital or long stay unit.

Those percentages may have been very different earlier in pandemic.

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 02:07AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When you get a chance read the constitution about private property rights.

Does the constitution protect illegal activity/crimes committed in homes?
A- Guard notices a party in a house, suspects more than 6 people from a single household are on the property, which is against the law (they can''t do anything)
B- Guard notices/hears a woman scream from within a household. Screaming isn't a crime.
I know if a guard didn't intervene in scenario B, it would be all over the news.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You seem like the type of person who will blame the government when the country is destroyed.

These people are doing it for us and you scream "rights!".

You're entitled to do that, just don't criticise anyone else afterward.

I'll ignore your usual nonsense which is well received by some. The so called 'house parties' happen because there is no other outlet for people and plus in accordance with our Constitution the home (private property) is sacrosanct and without a warrant or due cause ( Commission of a crime) AGS cannot enter.
I have no issue blaming the government if the country is destroyed as I vote in every election and entrust the running of the country to those I help democratically elect. As a voter I have a right to bitch and moan. ;-)

Renjit · 11-10-2020 02:14AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

They can certainly reach out to the management number which should be available 24/7.

theballz · 11-10-2020 02:15AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

I live in an apartment block, had similar issue last week.

At least your Garda was honest, the Garda I spoke to said “we’ll be around ASAP,” the party went on for a further 5-6 hours. Garda nowhere to be seen

theballz · 11-10-2020 02:16AM

Renjit wrote: »

They can certainly reach out to the management number which should be available 24/7.

I even the Garda in my place I’d let them in. Still didn’t bother coming around, despite saying they would.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:17AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Does the constitution protect illegal activity/crimes committed in homes?
A- Guard notices a party in a house, suspects more than 6 people from a single household are on the property, which is against the law (they can''t do anything)
B- Guard notices/hears a woman scream from within a household. Screaming isn't a crime.
I know if a guard didn't intervene in scenario B, it would be all over the news.

A member of AGS can enter a private dwelling on foot of a warrant or the belief a crime is being committed.
When was the more than 6 people from one household enacted into law? I think I missed it? Restrictions/advice are not enforceable without legislation

enacted by the Dail

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 02:24AM

This winter is going to be tough. We can get through it.
"you will fail"

Polar101 · 11-10-2020 02:26AM

growleaves wrote: »

If the WHO's "best estimates" above are correct then that would mean the IFR is 0.14%

Do you know how many people of the 760 million people have died?

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 02:26AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Apartment building next door - one of the apartments is having a massive full on party.

Rang the guards, and they said they cant even check it out because there is no one to let them into the building.

What the hell?

In most other countries the police will smash through your ass and throw you out on the streets no questions asked...while here the gardai cant investigate illegal activities because they don't have a key?

I guess we deserve endless lockdowns and depressing misery if we have voted in legislators that have left the guards utterly powerless.

Property holder has all the rights they need from the constitution.

Without a warrant theres unfortunately absolutely nothing the Gardai can do with regards to private property in relation to gatherings, they can't enter the property to break up a house party.

growleaves · 11-10-2020 02:29AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Do you know how many people of the 760 million people have died?

1,077,428 (Worldometer)

I was using 780 million as the 10% figure

speckle · 11-10-2020 02:29AM

majcos wrote: »

Yes. It is higher percentage of of healthcare workers admitted to ICU compared to other hospitalised cases. Of all cases hospitalised, 12.8% of them have ended up in ICU. 17.2% of healthcare workers admitted to hospitals ended up in ICUs. The overall patient group however, would not be a comparable group to the group of hospitalised healthcare workers as the HCW would be younger and far less likely to have significant co-morbidity and therefore if deteriorated, far more likely to be considered for ICU care. Less sick HCWs would be more likely to remain at home and capable of self-treatment so severity in illness could be skewed in those actually hospitalized.

Don’t have the breakdown of ethnicity or underlying conditions of HCWs admitted to ICU in Ireland but ethnicity differences are very striking when look at data. Deceased doctors of BAME ethnicity account for 94% of the total deaths figures in the UK, but make up 44% of the workforce. Similar figures among nurses; 71% of COVID-19 fatalities were in the BAME group, but make up only 20% of the workforce.

Age is not only factor when comes to deciding re ICU admission but is a major consideration. There are specific scoring systems used that combine age with co-morbidities and frailty scores as well as judgement of treating physician and ICU staff.

Although many over 80s will survive, if they get to the point of actually needing ICU care based on parameters such as oxygen levels and BP, then their likelihood of survival is very low regardless of receiving such care or not even they are/were a relatively healthy 80 year old. Age will not completely exclude someone from ICU but will be closely considered. Putting anyone through ICU care is a major battle and if likelihood of surviving is very low then consideration will be made as to whether that is the kindest thing to do. Even if survive, a good recovery from ICU for an older person back to their previous level of health is less likely so some may decide for themselves that it is not something they want to go through.

Thank you. That is the most clear posts here on how older people are treated regarding covid.

Regarding the HWCs, that makes sense, for some people covid is possibly their first virus and they would be more worried re self treatment at home.

What we need then is to look to
- other countrys stats that have a similiar BAME profile to see what percentagez are hospitalised or ICU'd.
-And check how many HCWs are being infected in hospital at work rather than elesewhere.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-10-2020 02:29AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315080461128011776

And that's from 24hrs over a Saturday...

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 02:31AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A member of AGS can enter a private dwelling on foot of a warrant or the belief a crime is being committed.
When was the more than 6 people from one household enacted into law? I think I missed it? Restrictions/advice are not enforceable without legislation

enacted by the Dail

'Belief of a crime' that's pretty vague and can be used in the situations of a house party.
On the 6 people, I meant from multiple households, a typo. Point still stands.
If a guard stands outside a house and see's multiple people enter and leave a house, that's certainly reason to assume there's a law being broken.
This is all based on legislation being enacted through the Dáil and doesn't require a change to constitution. To say the constitution this and that is rubbish.
FFS the Fire Brigade can enter a private dwelling for the purpose of protecting people. Legislation doesn't mention the definition of protecting(doesn't have to be a fire, it could be a contagious virus etc...)

Atlantic Dawn · 11-10-2020 02:33AM

Where do we realitically go from here to control it? Back in March/April we were not using masks and had just started to get our heads around social distancing, now we have masks as the norm and figures are right up to April's.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:35AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

'Belief of a crime' that's pretty vague and can be used in the situations of a house party.
On the 6 people, I meant from multiple households, a typo. Point still stands.
If a guard stands outside a house and see's multiple people enter and leave a house, that's certainly reason to assume there's a law being broken.
This is all based on legislation being enacted through the Dáil and doesn't require a change to constitution. To say the constitution this and that is rubbish.
FFS the Fire Brigade can enter a private dwelling for the purpose of protecting people. Legislation doesn't mention the definition of protecting(doesn't have to be a fire, it could be a contagious virus etc...)

No it cant, because wait for it...it's not illegal to have a house party. It's not advisable but not illegal.
As for the rest of your comment I won't point out the stupidity because you probably realised it was obvious after you posted it.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-10-2020 02:37AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Where do we realitically go from here to control it? Back in March/April we were not using masks and had just started to get our heads around social distancing, now we have masks as the norm and figures are right up to April's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFZh92MUOY

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 02:39AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No it cant, because wait for it...it's not illegal to have a house party. It's not advisable but not illegal.
As for the rest of your comment I won't point out the stupidity because you probably realised it was obvious after you posted it.

Christ I'm not talking about a house party as a definition.
If they introduce legislation making more than 6 from over 2 households mixing in the same house illegal, it's then not advisable, it's a law. Therefore illegal.
Please point out the stupidity of my post.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:42AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Christ I'm not talking about a house party as a definition.
If they introduce legislation making more than 6 from over 2 households mixing in the same house illegal, it's then not advisable, it's a law. Therefore illegal.
Please point out the stupidity of my post.

Your mention of the Fire Service is stupid, I was in the fire service and the law deals with the behaviour of first responders differently. However yes your post contains alot of stupidity. Not your fault prehaps, just misinformation I suspect. You then go on to a hypothetical cool .

Ficheall · 11-10-2020 02:44AM

Gonna agree with Plumb here - pretty much nothing is enforceable yet, and while they're planning to finalise legislation (and passed some sort of motion moving that a step further along yesterday) for fines for travelling outside whatever boundary or not wearing a mask, even those are unlikely to be enforced, and I'd say there's no hope of them ever tackling houseparties.
The only reason the last "lockdown" worked was because of people's fear/good will.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:48AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Gonna agree with Plumb here - pretty much nothing is enforceable yet, and while they're planning to finalise legislation (and passed some sort of motion moving that a step further along yesterday) for fines for travelling outside whatever boundary or not wearing a mask, even those are unlikely to be enforced, and I'd say there's no hope of them ever tackling houseparties.
The only reason the last "lockdown" worked was because of people's fear/good will.

I'm touched, no I 'm not. I do however respect the willingness to see the sense posted by someone you have an issue with. Cudos.

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 02:49AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your mention of the Fire Service is stupid, I was in the fire service and the law deals with the behaviour of first responders differently. However yes your post contains alot of stupidity. Not your fault prehaps, just misinformation I suspect. You then go on to a hypothetical cool .

28.—(1) The person in control at a fire or other emergency may, either personally or by a member of a fire brigade present at the incident or by a member of the Garda Síochána, or by such other person as he authorises, do (if necessary, by force) all such things as are, in his opinion, necessary or expedient for the purpose of extinguishing the fire or for protecting or rescuing persons or property and, in particular, may—

So that doesn't mean protecting persons?
Over 5% positivity rate.... House gathering of 20 people with no social distancing, contract tracing etc... 1 would statistically be infected, so there is justification for protecting people.

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 02:52AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So that doesn't mean protecting persons?
Over 5% positivity rate.... House gathering of 20 people with no social distancing, contract tracing etc... 1 would statistically be infected, so there is justification for protecting people.

There comes a point where one recognises with grace they are wrong despite the incorrect information they post and they then, step away from the shovel and avoid further embrassament.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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