Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 11:28PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Bold request - overlay that with positive swabs

I think this is that.

Longing · 10-10-2020 11:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As referenced earlier the numbers in Cavan hospital are indeed related to an outbreak in Cavan hospital.

Some wards are closed and some elective surgery cancelled.

Urgent cases only being admitted

Talking to a neighbor today who works in Cavan Hospital its a bad situation there at the moment he said. Its in lock-down no getting in.

Personalty I'm not surprised spend months of my life there as a patient and I can say with the nicest way possible its a dirty kip. So badly run in terms of cleanliness and oversight of simple things. I'm just surprised it took covid that long to get in.

stephenjmcd · 10-10-2020 11:33PM

Longing wrote: »

Talking to a neighbor today who works in Cavan Hospital its a bad situation there at the moment he said. Its in lock-down no getting in.

Personalty I'm not surprised spend months of my life there as a patient and I can say with the nicest way possible its a dirty kip. So badly run in terms of cleanliness and oversight of simple things. I'm just surprised it took covid that long to get in.

Sounds bad alright, hospital is essentially closed unless your badly in need of hospital treatment

bb1234567 · 10-10-2020 11:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315016652195590145

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1314989034368888835

Odd that there are so many more cases being reported In the UK but similar number hospitalised

Eod100 · 10-10-2020 11:37PM

So level 5 expect it's called circuit breaker instead. A week is a long time I'm politics. https://twitter.com/AlanEnglish9/status/1315044747162136576?s=19

stephenjmcd · 10-10-2020 11:38PM

Front page of tomorrow's independent. Consideration to be given to Donegal going to level 4, government believe 3 has stabilised Dublin and is working, NPHET believe in national restrictions, government want local.

Also reference to how much this will cost us.

Edit: myself and EOD were thinking alike at the same time haha

https://twitter.com/AlanEnglish9/status/1315044747162136576?s=19

Loafing Oaf · 10-10-2020 11:40PM

Eod100 wrote: »

So level 5 expect it's called circuit breaker instead. A week is a long time I'm politics.

But in covid lockdowns?

Longing · 10-10-2020 11:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sounds bad alright, hospital is essentially closed unless your badly in need of hospital treatment

A&E that's it. Heart attack - Car accident - stroke. If you break a arm or leg you go straight to Drogheda Hospital.

testtech05 · 10-10-2020 11:40PM

US2 wrote: »

I note the way you worded that. Passed away how ? It's not uncommon for a 51 year old to die of any cause. His positive test may be completely unrelated?

No he died solely from covid.... Sorry I didn't feel I had to spell that part out!

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 11:40PM

This is disgraceful carry on and should not be condoned.

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1314983671510626304?s=20

Goldengirl · 10-10-2020 11:41PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

How many ICU beds are occupied by a covid case?

If a patient is sent down to ICU in a hospital that patient takes up a bed. Are other beds closed by that patient?

What I mean is do they close an ICU ward or room with multiple beds in it to stop the spread of covid through the ICU and maintain quarantine?

When they say ICU bed that means staffing in the form of specialist nurses , physicians and anaesthetists , equipment and capability to look after a patient requiring ICU .
The physical area , while important that it has certain features , is not the most important thing .
I have looked after ventilated patients in appropriately kitted out side rooms and recovery areas.
Covid patients in ICU are isolated and barrier nursed ,staff don't look after non Covid patients, and wear full PPE and take all precautions .
Once case numbers start to rise then Covid ICU patients have to be accommodated in a surge area which has been prepared for all necessary treatment and support , or vice versa depending on the individual hospital.
Some high dependency areas on general wards have and would be used for a few non Covid patients .
This would have an impact on general wards , staffing , and bed numbers may be reduced to accommodate equipment and nurse patient ratios
If facilities remain under pressure , with increasing trained staff pulled from essential critical care radiology and theatre/ recovery areas are affected , then general elective surgery cannot be maintained and that is when either more surge capacity will have to be deployed or theatre lists cancelled .
Whatever about bed spaces obtained and theatre lists performed in private hospitals , there are limits to the surge capacity in the form of nurses and doctors.

Eod100 · 10-10-2020 11:43PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But in covid lockdowns?

I think a week delayed could add at least that on to any restrictions. Government were slow to being in restrictions to Dublin. No room for procrastination with covid.

majcos · 10-10-2020 11:45PM

US2 wrote: »

I note the way you worded that. Passed away how ? It's not uncommon for a 51 year old to die of any cause. His positive test may be completely unrelated?

Probability rate of a 51 year dying in a given year is 0.005462 according to US figures. Definitely not common. Probability of a previously healthy 51 year old dying would be even lower.

Probability of an individual being diagnosed with Covid in Ireland is still low if you look at 14 day incidence rate at the moment in Ireland of 130 per 100,000.

Probability of healthy 51 year old dying and being diagnosed with Covid within a month and the two being unrelated must be extremely low.

bb1234567 · 10-10-2020 11:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is disgraceful carry on and should not be condoned.

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1314983671510626304?s=20

Say there'll be a lot more of that in dublin in coming weeks

bb1234567 · 10-10-2020 11:48PM

majcos wrote: »

Probability rate of a 51 year dying in a given year is 0.005462 according to US figures. Definitely not common. Probability of a previously healthy 51 year old dying would be even lower.

Probability of an individual being diagnosed with Covid in Ireland is still low if you look at 14 day incidence rate at the moment in Ireland of 130 per 100,000.

Probability of healthy 51 year old dying and being diagnosed with Covid within a month and the two being unrelated must be extremely low.

Regardless of the covid thing a statement that it's apparently'not uncommon' for 51 year olds to die barely warrants a reply

hmmm · 10-10-2020 11:48PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Front page of tomorrow's independent. Consideration to be given to Donegal going to level 4, government believe 3 has stabilised Dublin and is working, NPHET believe in national restrictions, government want local.

Also reference to how much this will cost us.

There's not much point us shifting to Level 5 and closing lots of retail and laying off hundreds of thousands if that's not causing the spread. I see a lot of people saying "oh we should go to level 5" as if it's a magic bullet.

Schools are, unfortunately, the obvious big ticket item which remains open. I'd shut them well before I'd move to Level 4 or 5.

Cilldara_2000 · 10-10-2020 11:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is disgraceful carry on and should not be condoned.

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1314983671510626304?s=20

Well now.

The disgraceful carry on was these other groups of headbangers having free reign to march down Grafton St last Saturday. I'm glad to see someone had the guts to stand up to them at last. As always the cowards need the protection of the state to spew their bile and hatred and ofc, as always the state provides it when they should have run them off the streets last week.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-10-2020 11:51PM

Level 5 Weekends needed Friday 10 pm to Monday 5am .

Everyone stay at home,

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 11:51PM

testtech05 wrote: »

No he died solely from covid.... Sorry I didn't feel I had to spell that part out!

More and more families are going to get really annoyed and upset with these morons trying to question how their loved ones dies to suit their own debased unhinged agenda.

Just ignore them. I know it's difficult.

stephenjmcd · 10-10-2020 11:51PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's not much point us shifting to Level 5 and closing lots of retail and laying off hundreds of thousands if that's not causing the spread. I see a lot of people saying "oh we should go to level 5" as if it's a magic bullet.

Schools are, unfortunately, the obvious big ticket item which remains open. I'd shut them well before I'd move to Level 4 or 5.

Agree with all of that. No point in targeting retail etc and putting thousands back onto the PUP as you say.

Loafing Oaf · 10-10-2020 11:51PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think a week delayed could add at least that on to any restrictions. Government were slow to being in restrictions to Dublin. No room for procrastination with covid.

So I wonder exactly how 'short' a lockdown Leo has in mind. Surely he doesn't believe a fortnight, say, would sort us out?

Akabusi · 10-10-2020 11:52PM

The randomness to who displays symptoms is a real head scratcher. Is it anything to do with blood type? That was mentioned early but haven't heard anything on it since.

Icyseanfitz · 10-10-2020 11:52PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Level 5 Weekends needed Friday 10 pm to Monday 5am .

Everyone stay at home,

And those that dont work a typical mon-fri?

ACitizenErased · 10-10-2020 11:54PM

Akabusi wrote: »

The randomness to who displays symptoms is a real head scratcher. Is it anything to do with blood type? That was mentioned early but haven't heard anything on it since.

It's likely to do with viral load as far as I know

10-10-2020 11:55PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's not much point us shifting to Level 5 and closing lots of retail and laying off hundreds of thousands if that's not causing the spread. I see a lot of people saying "oh we should go to level 5" as if it's a magic bullet.

Schools are, unfortunately, the obvious big ticket item which remains open. I'd shut them well before I'd move to Level 4 or 5.

The calls for level 5 are so misinformed and short sighted. The only thing that will actually work over a sustained period of time is people cutting down on close contacts. How difficult is it to just restrict your close contacts on any given week to handful?

If we end up shutting half the economy again we're in big trouble.

majcos · 10-10-2020 11:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If there is an outbreak in Cavan hospital, I assume most aren’t in primarily due to Covid and probably don’t even have symptoms?

Just happened to test positive while in hospital.

Makes it worse as now they may be fighting two illnesses so risk of succumbing to Covid or to their admitting illness is even higher.

If asymptomatic from Covid and at point of recovery from other illness, would be discharged home to self isolate if test positive unless home is a nursing home or residential unit and then would need to be kept in hospital to protect other residents in nursing home.

US2 · 10-10-2020 11:55PM

testtech05 wrote: »

No he died solely from covid.... Sorry I didn't feel I had to spell that part out!

Apologies, i just thought the way you worded it was odd. Sorry for your loss.

Kh1993 · 10-10-2020 11:55PM

Does anyone believe this circuit breaker (the new Covid buzz word) will actually last it’s stated 3/4 weeks and not end up being perpetually extended? Especially if it doesn’t show results quickly. Which it probably won’t in that short time.

Goldengirl · 10-10-2020 11:56PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Say there'll be a lot more of that in dublin in coming weeks

Surely there is a line where freedom to protest becomes public endangerment and incitement to riot , and needs to be dealt with as such ?

hmmm · 10-10-2020 11:56PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

So I wonder exactly how 'short' a lockdown Leo has in mind. Surely he doesn't believe a fortnight, say, would sort us out?

It's not intended to sort everything out, it's to help break chains of transmission and help us identify who is infected and who is not. 2 or 3 weeks would be sufficient to achieve that if everyone did their bit ("don't mix with other people").

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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