Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

3xh · 10-10-2020 09:27PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not that I should have to explain myself but I have travelled plenty over the years. I considered it a privilege to do so.

Why? Were they free junkets at others’ expense?

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 09:39PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What good is a vat cut?

"here's a reduction on stock you're not buying cause you can't open"

It will clearly be of use for the businesses that survive.

NegativeCreep · 10-10-2020 09:42PM

Badly need these

10-10-2020 09:43PM

Anti protesters protesting is a bit strange no?

sabat · 10-10-2020 09:48PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hugosrest/status/1314907510755688453

I believe a VAT cut is coming in the budget

Every pub and restaurant in the country should ban the entire cabinet and NPHET for life.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-10-2020 09:52PM

snowcat wrote: »

Jaysus. More people died in Road Traffic Accidents in the last 3 months then directly died of Covid and this Drink driving Advocat wants to shut the economy down. Put the car keys down and cut out the Guiness should be his priority. Alcohol itself kills many multiples of what Covid will kill in any year.

There's a lot of scaremongering people on media sites.With the Reality there is very few people who die from the disease in actual reality. We are decent humans mostly so we try to protect the vulnerable.

I don't think the correct course to take is forcing every county to implement level 5 restrictions. The cases are very high in some counties, mid in others and low in others. The Level 5 restrictions should only be there to reduce high numbers in some counties.

Unnecessary travel restrictions only thing i agree with should be at level 5 for the whole country. There no department in Ireland to deal with each county case by case base, and seems it's just shock and awe for the whole country policy right now. This needs to change. You can't have every person restricted to being a hermit because some counties can't reduce their covid numbers.

Penfailed · 10-10-2020 09:56PM

3xh wrote: »

Why? Were they free junkets at others’ expense?

Eh? No. Saved up and headed off.

weldoninhio · 10-10-2020 10:10PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

The government are asleep at the wheel, we need level 5 or higher now, not tomorrow not in two weeks. Schools cannot be allowed to open on Monday it’s madness if they do. We need fines for all breaches and fast and we need the army on the streets to combat these mindless idiots protesting, any force necessary to disperse them.

The back patting anti restrictions minority in here would make your blood boil reading their idiotic posts, denying the reality of this virus, supporting anti -vax and anti mask scum. It’s depressing reading but luckily only a very small minority of the country despite what they think themselves.

Be grand. Stop worrying.

3xh · 10-10-2020 10:17PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? No. Saved up and headed off.

Exactly. You earned it. That’s not a privilege, Penfailed.

10-10-2020 10:33PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Not complaining, but rather surprised that so few people have protested.

Protest against what? Very necessary restrictions is it? Because the vast majority of people realise they are very much necessary.

The only people protesting are absolute low life’s and should be treated as such.

arctictree · 10-10-2020 10:43PM

The Government need a different approach here, not more of the same. We should give the people 3 weeks notice and then do a full level 10 lockdown for the month of November. Nobody can leave their house, airports/border closed. Kill the virus stone dead and then open up fully again in December.

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 10:52PM

sabat wrote: »

Every pub and restaurant in the country should ban the entire cabinet and NPHET for life.

They should all reopen en masse. They can’t arrest or close everyone down. We’re long passed that stage in my opinion. You have to stand up for yourself or be walked on by the public service and government minions

SusieBlue · 10-10-2020 10:55PM

arctictree wrote: »

The Government need a different approach here, not more of the same. We should give the people 3 weeks notice and then do a full level 10 lockdown for the month of November. Nobody can leave their house, airports/border closed. Kill the virus stone dead and then open up fully again in December.

Never mind the fact that closing the border with the north would violate the good Friday agreement and cause a whole new set of problems, all it would take would be one asymptomatic person to start the spread again and we’d be in a far worse position than before, having destroyed the country with the ‘level 10 lockdown.’

How would it work anyway, surely gardaí, medical staff, fire brigade and the clerical staff needed to support their operations would be needed?
What about supermarket staff, warehouse staff, truck drivers, supply chain and logistics, pharmacists and chemists? What if those employees spread it among themselves while we’re locked in our homes hiding under our beds at level 10?

Lockdown is a suppressant and not a cure.
A lockdown will not eradicate this virus or ‘kill it stone dead’. The only thing that has a chance of doing that is a vaccine.
In the meantime are only wasting time, public funds, and flushing the economy down the toilet with these fruitless endeavours.

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 10:55PM

arctictree wrote: »

The Government need a different approach here, not more of the same. We should give the people 3 weeks notice and then do a full level 10 lockdown for the month of November. Nobody can leave their house, airports/border closed. Kill the virus stone dead and then open up fully again in December.

So we open up again and cases reappear (you can’t “kill a virus” stone dead, without a very effective vaccine). This is the kind of nuts thinking had us where we are quite frankly.
So op, how does it effect it you financially? Will you be on the PUP needing a mortgage break? This the kind of information we need to test your credibility- you’ve pitched a radical solution so let’s see you stand over it please.

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 10:57PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Badly need these

Indeed. And they’d be as useful as the Covid muzzles have proven to be too

hynesie08 · 10-10-2020 10:57PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

They should all reopen en masse. They can’t arrest or close everyone down. We’re long passed that stage in my opinion. You have to stand up for yourself or be walked on by the public service and government minions

I'd go one step further, enforced rectal temperature checks....... Anyone with a fever over 103, take them out the back and shoot them.....

10-10-2020 11:05PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

So we open up again and cases reappear (you can’t “kill a virus” stone dead, without a very effective vaccine). This is the kind of nuts thinking had us where we are quite frankly.
So op, how does it effect it you financially? Will you be on the PUP needing a mortgage break? This the kind of information we need to test your credibility- you’ve pitched a radical solution so let’s see you stand over it please.

You are of course incorrect. If you get rid of it on tbe island and important no more of it then it’s gone. The virus doesn’t just hide in corners. The north is the major issue in this but you are still incorrect. An island nation which isolates itself could be COVID free.

sabat · 10-10-2020 11:07PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

They should all reopen en masse. They can’t arrest or close everyone down. We’re long passed that stage in my opinion. You have to stand up for yourself or be walked on by the public service and government minions

I suggested it because it's just about the only power left for them to use and it's proportionate to what's been done to them-even as a small act of revenge. Varadkar would have to drink cans in the park for the rest of his life.

hynesie08 · 10-10-2020 11:07PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

You are of course incorrect. If you get rid of it on tbe island and important no more of it then it’s gone. The virus doesn’t just hide in corners. The north is the major issue in this but you are still incorrect. An island nation which isolates itself could be COVID free.

And then we're an island with no covid (we won't be, that's impossible) and a destroyed economy with a million people out of work.

It's amazing how the lockdown crew don't have an open up strategy.....

10-10-2020 11:08PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And there we're an island with no covid (we won't be, that's impossible) and a destroyed economy with a million people out of work.

It's amazing how the lockdown crew don't have an open up strategy.....

We could be fully open internally under such a strategy just no ports or airports.

hynesie08 · 10-10-2020 11:11PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

We could be fully open internally under such a strategy just no ports or airports.

And the hundreds of thousands out of work? Or do they not matter.....

Come on nox, how do you open up......

bloopy · 10-10-2020 11:17PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

We could be fully open internally under such a strategy just no ports or airports.

Has this whole thing been a more subtle Paddygreen all along?

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:17PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And the hundreds of thousands out of work? Or do they not matter.....

Come on nox, how do you open up......

You “don’t open up” ever. For some reason these people won’t come out and say that but that’s what their supposed “strategy” amounts to plus the wing and a prayer of a vaccine (that may never come)

bush · 10-10-2020 11:33PM

bloopy wrote: »

Has this whole thing been a more subtle Paddygreen all along?

Either that or he needs to be signed in

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:37PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And then we're an island with no covid (we won't be, that's impossible) and a destroyed economy with a million people out of work.

It's amazing how the lockdown crew don't have an open up strategy.....

Open up isn’t part of it. They’re not interested in opening up. They’ve* this weird obsession with closing everything down and reciting phrases like “new normal” or “things will never be the same again”. They’ve this weird urge to punish and alter society as we knew and enjoyed it. In unison they appear to take delight in extra restrictions. Some of them even throw in little bits about climate change to underscore how wonderful it all is.
*Invariably those in secure well paid employment in the professions and PS

JRant · 10-10-2020 11:38PM

Watching the rugby earlier, Leinster playing over in northern Italy, and incredibly there were actually people (or as they would be described here "granny killers") at the game.

This is the same northern Italy that was ground zero for this virus in europe not so long ago. It's almost like they have decided to get on with life. I know that's a radical idea in this country but surely to jaysus it has to dawn on people sooner rather than later that we can't keep going on like this.

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:39PM

JRant wrote: »

Watching the rugby earlier, Leinster playing over in northern Italy, and incredibly there were actually people (or as they would be described here "granny killers") at the game.

This is the same northern Italy that was ground zero for this virus in europe not so long ago. It's almost like they have decided to get on with life. I know that's a radical idea in this country but surely to jaysus it has to dawn on people sooner rather than later that we can't keep going on like this.

Granny killers perhaps a tad extreme. I prefer something more clinical like Virus Vectors like kids are to these people

growleaves · 10-10-2020 11:42PM

At the session, Dr Michael Ryan, the WHO’s Head of Emergencies revealed that they believe roughly 10% of the world has been infected with Sars-Cov-2. This is their “best estimate”, and a huge increase over the number of officially recognised cases (around 35 million). [..]

The global population is roughly 7.8 billion people, if 10% have been infected that is 780 million cases. The global death toll currently attributed to Sars-Cov-2 infections is 1,061,539.

That’s an infection fatality rate of roughly 0.14%. Right in line with seasonal flu and the predictions of many experts from all around the world.

Link

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:43PM

JRant wrote: »

Watching the rugby earlier, Leinster playing over in northern Italy, and incredibly there were actually people (or as they would be described here "granny killers") at the game.

This is the same northern Italy that was ground zero for this virus in europe not so long ago. It's almost like they have decided to get on with life. I know that's a radical idea in this country but surely to jaysus it has to dawn on people sooner rather than later that we can't keep going on like this.

I genuinely think things are going to come to a head economically in the new year. If they yo yo in and out of lockdowns the costs are going to be (even more) crippling and it’s obvious from what is being said our borrowing capacity is far from secure going forward.
We’re still very much in the fools paradise territory (has the PUP been still cut to €300?)

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:48PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

You are of course incorrect. If you get rid of it on tbe island and important no more of it then it’s gone. The virus doesn’t just hide in corners. The north is the major issue in this but you are still incorrect. An island nation which isolates itself could be COVID free.

It’s certainly possible on paper but ultimately futile and virtually impossible given the practicalities of life, commerce and trade- for example do you tell the almost 20% foreign born population they cannot leave to see family or they come see them?- Indefinitely until we “might” get a vaccine. This is fantasy land thinking but I’ve no doubt you know that already

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings