Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Cilldara_2000 · 10-10-2020 07:31PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

From a political perspective, Varadkar has made a big error here. There's a reason why politicians usually waffle rather than criticise officials and the likes of NPHET in an obvious and public manner.

Martin and Donnelly have gotten out of this week relatively unscathed while Varadkar has undermined the government - good enough for him, an obnoxious individual. Thousands of people will have seen his performance on RTE and now a few days later, big headline about 1000+ new cases. The view among Joe Public will be along the lines of, "Jaysus, Holohan was right after all and the poor man had only just come back from caring for his sick wife too".

I'd say we won't be hearing any movie quotations now for a while.

If nothing else, criticising officials for doing their job was incredibly bad form for any minister, and was no more than playing to the bat **** insane section of the gallery who think Dr Holohan is only a few hundred positive tests away from declaring himself executive president for life.

Always_Running · 10-10-2020 07:31PM

kippy wrote: »

Likely to have been lower than today's total due to the restrictions and adherence to them at the time.

Highly unlikely we were picking more positive weekly cases back then from a lot less tests carried out.

sterz · 10-10-2020 07:31PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Dublin's 7-day total is still lower than last week and the week before that.

Read that elsewhere too. Have a link for that info?

New Home · 10-10-2020 07:31PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

On Donnelly, I’d have no confidence in him to be honest. When asked this week who was responsible if cases and deaths surge he said...

“The virus is responsible.”

A spoofer and spin merchant IMO.

God forbid the virus should get hold of a trampoline!

niamh247 wrote: »

It is so ridiculous that people re still scared to point at schools. Schools are the exchange hubs for asymptomatic transmission. Data doesn't catch it. Government is using lack of data for its advantage to keep the schools open.

Objective was about sending parents to work, not to ensure learning of kids or their mental health as guv claimed when the schools re-opened.

Yes, exactly. The spread of the virus is caused by people. Of all shapes and of all ages. The more people meet (in any setting), the more the virus has a chance to spread.

niamh247 · 10-10-2020 07:31PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What do you mean "aren't the problem" ? If you mean to blame, obviously parents and the government's decisions are to blame, but schools are precisely how this virus is spreading. Absolutely nothing else makes logical sense. Ireland has not exploded into house parties over the last month. Schools are the difference.

Completely agree. Schools are THE silent hubs

UrbanFret · 10-10-2020 07:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

80 in Cavan, you'd wonder if that's related to the hospital.

The hospital Is only part of the problem, There are 4 other outbreaks that I know of. Still,level 3 is appropiate. The first lockdown bought us time to increase ICU beds and staff. we didn't and we are back here again except now that window of opportunity has closed. Look , every country is once again up **** creek. We need to protect the old and the vunerable whilst keeping as much of our business open as possible.

Bet finnegan can't wait to get the doom merchant McConkey on monday morning spouting about "Zero Covid" .Its a pipedream nothing more.;)

titan18 · 10-10-2020 07:32PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

And most importantly, ignore the schools.

I'm pretty supportive of the theory they're increasing cases and pretty cool with them being closed. However not sure how to get around that so many parents rely on them to go working themselves.

Id keep other retail open as long as possible though. With capacity limits, I don't see how something like Smyth's or Woodies will increase the disease that much

Necro · 10-10-2020 07:32PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Yeah it has and I think the problem is that some people seem to think there is a right answer here. There isn’t. There are only terrible choices and worse ones. The government are only trying to choose the least **** option.

There is no solution without a vaccine.

Definitely agree with you on that, it's the choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche and in the end nobody wins

Boggles · 10-10-2020 07:33PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Were you only expecting them to get 100 or less cases from over 1000 cases reported nationwide?

I don't really look at the numbers I look at it as percentage overall and it's been all over the place.

Ohmeha · 10-10-2020 07:33PM

I don't have enough time to read back at all the inevitable Dublin "is still out of control" posts earlier this evening but despite today's horrible national numbers backlog/or no backlog Dublin's 7 day and 14 days average numbers for the past 3 weeks in Level 3 confirm at worst the growth has significantly slowed, at best the growth may be starting to shrink

Day Month Date Dublin Weekly 7 Day 7 Day % 14 Day 14 Day % Non-Dub Weekly 7 Day 7 Day % 14 Day 14 Day %
Saturday September 19th 166 1,019 145.57 54.39% 119.93 115.26% 108 822 117.43 53.07% 97.07 56.03%
Sunday September 20th 241 1,104 157.71 47.59% 132.29 128.92% 155 878 125.43 55.12% 103.14 57.13%
Monday September 21st 76 1,072 153.14 34.00% 133.71 136.36% 112 890 127.14 43.55% 107.86 69.47%
Tuesday September 22nd 174 1,028 146.86 22.97% 133.14 94.78% 160 911 130.14 43.69% 110.36 64.19%
Wednesday September 23rd 103 995 142.14 8.03% 136.86 109.40% 131 924 132.00 28.51% 117.36 81.95%
Thursday September 24th 167 1,043 149.00 11.79% 141.14 100.00% 157 960 137.14 27.83% 122.21 83.39%
Friday September 25th 152 1,079 154.14 16.27% 143.36 89.88% 174 997 142.43 24.94% 128.21 89.35%
Saturday September 26th 104 1,017 145.29 -0.20% 145.43 89.75% 144 1,033 147.57 25.67% 132.50 95.47%
Sunday September 27th 212 988 141.14 -10.51% 149.43 73.61% 218 1,096 156.57 24.83% 141.00 91.65%
Monday September 28th 209 1,121 160.14 4.57% 156.64 70.26% 181 1,165 166.43 30.90% 146.79 86.48%
Tuesday September 29th 154 1,101 157.29 7.10% 152.07 51.75% 209 1,214 173.43 33.26% 151.79 88.55%
Wednesday September 30th 189 1,187 169.57 19.30% 155.86 46.84% 240 1,323 189.00 43.18% 160.50 85.86%
Thursday October 1st 170 1,190 170.00 14.09% 159.50 43.69% 272 1,438 205.43 49.79% 171.29 86.47%
Friday October 2nd 198 1,236 176.57 14.55% 165.36 40.64% 272 1,536 219.43 54.06% 180.93 87.77%
Saturday October 3rd 224 1,356 193.71 33.33% 169.50 41.33% 389 1,781 254.43 72.41% 201.00 107.06%
Sunday October 4th 100 1,244 177.71 25.91% 159.43 20.52% 264 1,827 261.00 66.70% 208.79 102.42%
Monday October 5th 134 1,169 167.00 4.28% 163.57 22.33% 384 2,030 290.00 74.25% 228.21 111.59%
Tuesday October 6th 111 1,126 160.86 2.27% 159.07 19.47% 321 2,142 306.00 76.44% 239.71 117.22%
Wednesday October 7th 218 1,155 165.00 -2.70% 167.29 22.23% 393 2,295 327.86 73.47% 258.43 120.21%
Thursday October 8th 91 1,076 153.71 -9.58% 161.86 14.68% 415 2,438 348.29 69.54% 276.86 126.53%
Friday October 9th 123 1,001 143.00 -19.01% 159.79 11.46% 494 2,660 380.00 73.18% 299.71 133.76%
Saturday October 10th 241 1,018 145.43 -24.93% 169.57 16.60% 771 3,042 434.57 70.80% 344.50 160.00%

Thierry12 · 10-10-2020 07:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Time to pay heed to the advice of the medical professionals and batten down the hatches. Less of Leo's guff.

Leo's a GP like Tony

These 2 are not world renowned infectious disease experts

Question who on NPHET is an infectious disease expert?

Like the Swedes have in charge

10-10-2020 07:35PM

I think part of the Government's response (or lack of it) is because nowhere else in Europe has done anything major yet. They don't want to be first out of the blocks, would much rather follow the crowd like in March.

If another lockdown is on the cards (and I still think it's unlikely), then they'd better actually use the time. Get 4 or 5 Covid only hospitals set up for the moderate cases. If they lie empty for awhile so be it. Get testing up to 30,000 a day. Double the number of contact tracers and make sure we trace backwards as well as forwards, find the sources of cases and cut the transmission chains.

South Korea have been showing the world how to live with this since February, copy them.

ACitizenErased · 10-10-2020 07:35PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

I don't have enough time to read back at all the inevitable Dublin "is still out of control" posts earlier this evening but despite today's horrible national numbers backlog/or no backlog Dublin's 7 day and 14 days average numbers for the past 3 weeks in Level 3 confirm at worst the growth has significantly slowed, at best the growth may be starting to shrink

Day Month Date Dublin Weekly 7 Day 7 Day % 14 Day 14 Day % Non-Dub Weekly 7 Day 7 Day % 14 Day 14 Day %
Saturday September 19th 166 1,019 145.57 54.39% 119.93 115.26% 108 822 117.43 53.07% 97.07 56.03%
Sunday September 20th 241 1,104 157.71 47.59% 132.29 128.92% 155 878 125.43 55.12% 103.14 57.13%
Monday September 21st 76 1,072 153.14 34.00% 133.71 136.36% 112 890 127.14 43.55% 107.86 69.47%
Tuesday September 22nd 174 1,028 146.86 22.97% 133.14 94.78% 160 911 130.14 43.69% 110.36 64.19%
Wednesday September 23rd 103 995 142.14 8.03% 136.86 109.40% 131 924 132.00 28.51% 117.36 81.95%
Thursday September 24th 167 1,043 149.00 11.79% 141.14 100.00% 157 960 137.14 27.83% 122.21 83.39%
Friday September 25th 152 1,079 154.14 16.27% 143.36 89.88% 174 997 142.43 24.94% 128.21 89.35%
Saturday September 26th 104 1,017 145.29 -0.20% 145.43 89.75% 144 1,033 147.57 25.67% 132.50 95.47%
Sunday September 27th 212 988 141.14 -10.51% 149.43 73.61% 218 1,096 156.57 24.83% 141.00 91.65%
Monday September 28th 209 1,121 160.14 4.57% 156.64 70.26% 181 1,165 166.43 30.90% 146.79 86.48%
Tuesday September 29th 154 1,101 157.29 7.10% 152.07 51.75% 209 1,214 173.43 33.26% 151.79 88.55%
Wednesday September 30th 189 1,187 169.57 19.30% 155.86 46.84% 240 1,323 189.00 43.18% 160.50 85.86%
Thursday October 1st 170 1,190 170.00 14.09% 159.50 43.69% 272 1,438 205.43 49.79% 171.29 86.47%
Friday October 2nd 198 1,236 176.57 14.55% 165.36 40.64% 272 1,536 219.43 54.06% 180.93 87.77%
Saturday October 3rd 224 1,356 193.71 33.33% 169.50 41.33% 389 1,781 254.43 72.41% 201.00 107.06%
Sunday October 4th 100 1,244 177.71 25.91% 159.43 20.52% 264 1,827 261.00 66.70% 208.79 102.42%
Monday October 5th 134 1,169 167.00 4.28% 163.57 22.33% 384 2,030 290.00 74.25% 228.21 111.59%
Tuesday October 6th 111 1,126 160.86 2.27% 159.07 19.47% 321 2,142 306.00 76.44% 239.71 117.22%
Wednesday October 7th 218 1,155 165.00 -2.70% 167.29 22.23% 393 2,295 327.86 73.47% 258.43 120.21%
Thursday October 8th 91 1,076 153.71 -9.58% 161.86 14.68% 415 2,438 348.29 69.54% 276.86 126.53%
Friday October 9th 123 1,001 143.00 -19.01% 159.79 11.46% 494 2,660 380.00 73.18% 299.71 133.76%
Saturday October 10th 241 1,018 145.43 -24.93% 169.57 16.60% 771 3,042 434.57 70.80% 344.50 160.00%

Thanks for these daily numbers, fantastic work

prunudo · 10-10-2020 07:36PM

Of course there's back logged numbers, the swabs are short of the announced cases. Dr. Tony is just dancing around the fact with language a politician would be proud of.

DeanAustin · 10-10-2020 07:36PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah closing them would be a difficult decision and I completely understand why there's reluctance to do so. It's the fact that we're continuing to pretend they couldn't possibly be an issue that bothers me.

Yeah I have two kids and I strongly advocate keeping schools open. But the reluctance to acknowledge that schools are responsible for some of this spread is mind boggling.

If we were talking any other activity here, there would be discussion around it. It’s downright dishonest. You can’t manage a problem you don’t acknowledge.

eagle eye · 10-10-2020 07:36PM

BringBackMick wrote:

31 ICU is encouraging.
There has not been an explosion

ICU numbers mightn't refect daily numbers until two weeks after.

s1ippy · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1314917378711486464?s=20

F sake

stockshares · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

How much of a backlog is there atm and how long are people waiting to be tested now?

Today's figures were notified within the last 24hrs so don't include any backlog cases.

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1314983554544173056?s=19

AlphaDelta1 · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

rockatansky wrote: »

We've handled it once before, we know what has to be done.

In the Spring sure we have. In the Winter when everyone goes indoors to socialise we haven't. The effort the majority put in from March until May will have to redoubled.

UrbanFret · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

What's wrong in Cavan is Cavan people

I take it you're from the County.

The HorsesMouth · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

In relation to schools...they are deliberately not including very obvious close contacts. E.g. child tests postive..but teacher isn't included in close contacts because the classroom layout shows the teachers chair is 2 metres away from said positive child...it's absolute BS. Not taking into account the teacher and other children outside the pods have walked around the class and breathed in the same air for 6 hours.
I have genuinely heard of one case where a child was postive and the SNA was not deemed a close contact despite working with and beside that child all day. Why they were not deemed a close contact? Because they were wearing a mask.
So the figures from schools are not accurate in my opinion.

is_that_so · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah closing them would be a difficult decision and I completely understand why there's reluctance to do so. It's the fact that we're continuing to pretend they couldn't possibly be an issue that bothers me.

When the numbers can be more obviously linked to adult behaviour it's a lot harder to implicate schools.

Goldrickssan · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

This whole thing is a horrible pain in the ass

Irish Steve · 10-10-2020 07:37PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Can anyone shine some light on the spike in Meath? Numbers were low tens for ages. Local media don't seem to be touching it either...

One of the spikes was a large party held to celebrate the local team winning a match, and unknown to anyone, the bar staff were positive but asymptomatic. Wasn't helped when everyone took a chug at the drink from the cup they'd won, and it was made worse when they all went to a different local pub either later that evening or the following day (didn't get the exact details of that bit of the story). That one event caused a "significant cluster".

Another issue is Kepak meat factory in Clonee, there are suspicions that it might be generating clusters.

A third possible is a significant influx of visitors from Dublin came out to the pubs in Ashbourne when Dublin was put into Level 3, all the pubs in the town here were "crowded", and things like substantial meals and the like were being "massaged".

kippy · 10-10-2020 07:38PM

The_Brood wrote: »

What do you mean "aren't the problem" ? If you mean to blame, obviously parents and the government's decisions are to blame, but schools are precisely how this virus is spreading. Absolutely nothing else makes logical sense. Ireland has not exploded into house parties over the last month. Schools are the difference.

1. Colleges. Adults.
2. Club Football and various events and interactions around matches. Adults.
3. House parties. Yes house parties.
4. Communions. Adults
5. Confirmations.
6. General gatherings....

There are all decisions taken by adults. Most of which are slipping outside of what the regulations are saying.
There are also a cohort of society who blindly go round assuming rules don't apply to them.

10-10-2020 07:38PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

The hospital Is only part of the problem, There are 4 other outbreaks that I know of. Still,level 3 is appropiate. The first lockdown bought us time to increase ICU beds and staff. we didn't and we are back here again except now that window of opportunity has closed. Look , every country is once again up **** creek. We need to protect the old and the vunerable whilst keeping as much of our business open as possible.

Bet finnegan can't wait to get the doom merchant McConkey on monday morning spouting about "Zero Covid" .Its a pipedream nothing more.;)

You are talking absolute lies.

Tredstone · 10-10-2020 07:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think part of the Government's response (or lack of it) is because nowhere else in Europe has done anything major yet. They don't want to be first out of the blocks, would much rather follow the crowd like in March.

If another lockdown is on the cards (and I still think it's unlikely), then they'd better actually use the time. Get 4 or 5 Covid only hospitals set up for the moderate cases. If they lie empty for awhile so be it. Get testing up to 30,000 a day. Double the number of contact tracers and make sure we trace backwards as well as forwards, find the sources of cases and cut the transmission chains.

South Korea have been showing the world how to live with this since February, copy them.

Locking down early causes problems for business

They lose foreign markets that stay open after us

growleaves · 10-10-2020 07:39PM

kippy · 10-10-2020 07:40PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Highly unlikely we were picking more positive weekly cases back then from a lot less tests carried out.

I get that. But let's look at the logic of what was happening back then versus now. Then combine that with how the virus travels. Then ask yourself is it likely there were more cases in the country than there are now....

BringBackMick · 10-10-2020 07:40PM

Unfortunately we gotta buckle up but the positive is the rate of hopsitilastion, ICU amission and death is rising much more slowly than in March ..

Level 3 will get this together , but whether it will reduce the curve is yet to be known, certainly wull get us below 1000 a day... Questions is without shutting schools and the inevitable interaction that involves outside of school will be difficult.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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