Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

political analyst · 10-10-2020 02:02PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

OK, now I have heard all I need from you to know that you are the problem, as you seem to think you can carry on as if nothing is happening around you, and you refuse to accept and acknowledge that life has massively changed for a short period of time for all of us as a direct result of the arrival of a new pandemic called Covid 19.

So be it, and unfortunately, there are too many other people like you that are denying that there has to be massive change for a short period of our lives.

Just to clarify things.

IF IT HAPPENS, CURFEW IS NOT ABOUT ME LIVING TO 95, IT'S ABOUT ALL OF US DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENTING COVID KILLING A LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AS A RESULT OF THE HEALTH SERVICE BEING OVERWHELMED AND BEING UNABLE TO ADEQUATELY TREAT BOTH COVID AND NON COVID PATIENTS AS A RESULT OF A SHORTAGE OF BEDS AND A SHORTAGE OF STAFF WELL ENOUGH TO TREAT THOSE PATIENTS.

I too don't like the things we have to do to stay safe, I don't want to be spending money on masks, sanitiser, gloves etc.

I like even less that I've not been able to see some of my family for over 9 months.

I don't like that we can't give our grand children the hugs and friendship and attention that they are used to and are wanting to give us.

I don't like that we were unable to attend a wedding of a very close friend because of the limits on numbers.

I don't like that we can't attend things like music concerts.

I don't like that we can't have a meal out with a few friends, maybe to celebrate a special occasion.

I don't like that I can't have a relaxing drink in a local pub with a few friends after an event that we've all been part of.

I don't like that a huge number of events we were supposed to be part of this year have been cancelled and may not now ever happen.

I don't like that I have to be very careful about what I touch when I am out of the house, as I have no way of knowing who else has been touching the same thing.

I don't like that Covid is revealing just how fractured society has become, and how brutal the effects of Covid have already been on some groups in our supposedly caring society.

I don't like that there are too many ignorant slobs that dump their masks and other protections on the ground or in the supermarket trolly after they've been used.

There are plenty of other things I could add to the list above, but given what I'm hearing about the way Covid is spreading at the moment, wether I like it or not is irrelevant.

As a caring society, which most of us were the last time I checked, we ALL have to do a hell of a lot more to prevent Covid killing signifcantly more OF ALL AGES than it has so far, and to help reduce the workload on hospitals that will struggle to deal with their normal work load if overloaded by covid.

And yes, I am repeating myself, in the forlorn hope that it might actually get through to you and others that seem to be unable to accept that "normal" can't happen for quite some time to come.

I also don't like the longer term financial and mental health implications of what has been happening, and what's coming yet before things can start returning to something approaching a normal life.

Curfew is a better alternative to closing even more of the economy down, we need to keep as much of the economy going as possible, to avoid even bigger problems for a larger number of people.

You are not "being imprisoned", and certainly not by me, you are possibly going to be expected to stay at home for 8 hours a day, and for most of those hours, if you are anything like normal, you will be asleep anyway.

If it happens, it will because people who DO have a better understanding of how to limit the damage that Covid is doing have decided that they have no choice left if they want to limit the problems that Covid is causing.

Curfew is nothing new, it has been used in (among other places) Melbourne, and they are now at last seeing the result of the hard actions they have taken.

The law in this jurisdiction doesn't limit the number of times anyone can go outside. As long as precautions are taken, how often one goes out doesn't matter.

ACitizenErased · 10-10-2020 02:04PM

902 new cases in the North from just 5836 tests

xhomelezz · 10-10-2020 02:04PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Nice

Fair play to that hotel

I hope many others follow that example

Yeah like that we'll be living with more and more restrictions. Fair play

Goldrickssan · 10-10-2020 02:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

902 new cases in the North from just 5836 tests

15% positivity

Out of control

Thierry12 · 10-10-2020 02:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And I hope they are sanctioned for allowing idiots on the premises

We will give you a call when its safe out there

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 02:07PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

I think we need to ban the word exponential from this thread - seems like every petty argument has the word stuck somewhere in it.

In fairness it's a hard concept

Thierry12 · 10-10-2020 02:08PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

15% positivity

Out of control

Good expirement all the same

We should learn alot from them.

PmMeUrDogs · 10-10-2020 02:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

902 new cases in the North from just 5836 tests

My maths is terrible but is that around 18% (or just under) positivity? That's genuinely scary, their true case figures must be extremely high if that's all they're catching

10-10-2020 02:11PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

We will give you a call when its safe out there

Idiots like those punters, and the hotel itself, are what’s keeping this current rise in cases going. It doesn’t take a brain the size of a planet to see that (with apologies to Marvin)

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 02:13PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

My maths is terrible but is that around 18% (or just under) positivity? That's genuinely scary, their true case figures must be extremely high if that's all they're catching

I think we are going to have to start playing yellow reg again.

ACitizenErased · 10-10-2020 02:13PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

My maths is terrible but is that around 18% (or just under) positivity? That's genuinely scary, their true case figures must be extremely high if that's all they're catching

15.4%
If you adjust the positivity rate to ~5% and then extrapolate the case number it suggests circa 3000 daily cases

PmMeUrDogs · 10-10-2020 02:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

15.4%
If you adjust the positivity rate to ~5% and then extrapolate the case number it suggests circa 3000 daily cases

I did say my maths is awful :pac:

That's incredibly worrying.

polesheep · 10-10-2020 02:19PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Sure it is. Just out of curiosity, how many hours a day you spend in your home?

As many as I choose to. That's the point. As I said, I have followed all of the guidelines as best I could as have most people. But if the authorities introduce a curfew watch compliance drop like a stone. Not only would it be impossible to implement, it would cause a huge rift between the government and a large portion of the people.

bb1234567 · 10-10-2020 02:20PM

Hard to see how NI can ever get that under control especially inevitably without nearly the level of compliance that was needed in march, seems almost too far gone..an involuntary herd immuntiy on the cards for the north I'd say

B.A._Baracus · 10-10-2020 02:21PM

A question... Since a lot on here seem to be opposed to a lockdown. What daily numbers would warrant one?

For me it's 1,000 cases a day.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 02:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

Hopefully we learn from all this and apply it before the start of Wave 3.

I beg your pardon?

xhomelezz · 10-10-2020 02:23PM

polesheep wrote: »

As many as I choose to. That's the point. As I said, I have followed all of the guidelines as best I could as have most people. But if the authorities introduce a curfew watch compliance drop like a stone. Not only would it be impossible to implement, it would cause a huge rift between the government and a large portion of the people.

Not really answer to my question. Not that I expected to get straight answer. For the rest of your post, doubt compliance will drop like a stone unless you are planning to unite all the scumbags in Ireland.

bb1234567 · 10-10-2020 02:24PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A question... Since a lot on here seem to be opposed to a lockdown. What daily numbers would warrant one?

For me it's 1,000 cases a day.

I don't think anything warrants lockdown but over 10 deaths per day we need to start looking at more serious restrictions than the current level 3 imo.

Ger Roe · 10-10-2020 02:24PM

polesheep wrote: »

As many as I choose to. That's the point. As I said, I have followed all of the guidelines as best I could as have most people. But if the authorities introduce a curfew watch compliance drop like a stone. Not only would it be impossible to implement, it would cause a huge rift between the government and a large portion of the people.

It would actually be easier to implement - No one on the streets is easy to define, as opposed to the current situation where individual personal interviews are required to determine why you are driving somewhere.

I would cause a large rift between the government and people who have already no respect for society, no new risks there.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 02:24PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hard to see how NI can ever get that under control especially inevitably without nearly the level of compliance that was needed in march, seems almost too far gone..an involuntary herd immuntiy on the cards for the north I'd say

Its one to watch.

Worked in Sweden..

This could be a ticket back to normality.

wes · 10-10-2020 02:25PM

Another super spreader fascist "protest" outside the Dail again. So much for enhanced enforcement.

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 02:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

902 new cases in the North from just 5836 tests

Riddled.

Non compliance with the rules would appear to be far more rife and public up there going on media and social media etc.

petes · 10-10-2020 02:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its one to watch.

Worked in Sweden..

This could be a ticket back to normality.

What worked in Sweden?

polesheep · 10-10-2020 02:28PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Not really answer to my question. Not that I expected to get straight answer. For the rest of your post, doubt compliance will drop like a stone unless you are planning to unite all the scumbags in Ireland.

Right, so anyone who is not in favour of a curfew and rejects it is a scumbag. Things are really starting to escalate. This is going to get nasty unless the government show good leadership and calm things.

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 02:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its one to watch.

Worked in Sweden..

This could be a ticket back to normality.

Could you link us to the peer reviewed scientific paper for whatever it is you are saying has worked?

I'll wait.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 02:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Riddled.

Non compliance with the rules would appear to be far more rife and public up there going on media and social media etc.

Was it not to be expected though?

Was the buy in to the "rules" expected to last long term??

polesheep · 10-10-2020 02:31PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

It would actually be easier to implement - No one on the streets is easy to define, as opposed to the current situation where individual personal interviews are required to determine why you are driving somewhere.

I would cause a large rift between the government and people who have already no respect for society, no new risks there.

1. Do you have any idea of how many streets there are in the country?

2. Again, we have the moral blackmail approach: agree to a curfew or whatever else we want or you have no respect for society. or as another poster put it, a scumbag.

10-10-2020 02:32PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hard to see how NI can ever get that under control especially inevitably without nearly the level of compliance that was needed in march, seems almost too far gone..an involuntary herd immuntiy on the cards for the north I'd say

The Republic might have a decision to make in relation to helping them with hospital admissions in the next weeks/months.

niallo27 · 10-10-2020 02:34PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hard to see how NI can ever get that under control especially inevitably without nearly the level of compliance that was needed in march, seems almost too far gone..an involuntary herd immuntiy on the cards for the north I'd say

If they stayed at 1000 cases a day it would take over 3 and a half years to reach herd immunity of 70%

xhomelezz · 10-10-2020 02:35PM

polesheep wrote: »

Right, so anyone who is not in favour of a curfew and rejects it is a scumbag. Things are really starting to escalate. This is going to get nasty unless the government show good leadership and calm things.

Nah, was just saying that the most of the nation has a brain, so they will do what's needed to keep hospitals going, economy going. You are giving out about curfew which is not even happening yet. Anyway responsible peeps will pay the tab of few tools at the end.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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