Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

facehugger99 · 10-10-2020 11:02AM

AUDI20 wrote: »

I would be delighted, I am an old age pensioner and only get €230 a week. would be a nice increase for me !!

That €230 is paid for by the taxpayers of today - it comes out of current spending - the spending we are borrowing €21bn this year to supplement.

How sustainable do you think it will be to continue the OAP at current levels if there are massive job losses and business closures and mountains of debt to be serviced?

10-10-2020 11:06AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown-cheerleaders of RTE have tried to portray the estimated €21bn deficit this year as a good news story this morning I see.

If services were cut and taxes were increased (including salary cuts at RTE), we would see an entirely different public response to Covid 19.

The narrative from RTE would change very quickly too.

The tax increases and cuts to services are coming and it will already be far too late to take corrective action when they are introduced.

The whole media and all involved are loving this. The arrogance is unreal, news readers reading from cards and getting prompts in their earpieces just to dismiss actual doctors, actual people who've gone through medical school. The tubridys, pat kennys and the miriam O Callaghan's of this mess are crying one day about mental health issues and then peddling the very daily poison that's driving it. They have no interest in asking the real questions in a Socratic manner as one would assume. Non of these are clever people and they dare not go beyond their own driven agenda. This is the worst part and it's terrible that we have so called journalist who are loving their days in the sun..

if this ever ends, somebody should set up a petition #notomontrose and stop paying their lavish salaries...

Happydays2020 · 10-10-2020 11:07AM

When will the propaganda on case numbers stop? The trajectory is not positive but we are not in a March/April situation.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1314696632835899394?s=21

growleaves · 10-10-2020 11:14AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-new-fines-for-not-wearing-face-masks-and-non-essential-journeys-by-end-of-the-month-1.4377745?mode=amp

EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

Cheap travel abolished.

Rrrrrr2 · 10-10-2020 11:19AM

AUDI20 wrote: »

I would be delighted, I am an old age pensioner and only get €230 a week. would be a nice increase for me !!

You’ll be lucky if that’s maintained- if it is there’ll definitely be other cuts to the services you need it now enjoy.
Pension payments come from current tax revenues- when that is deliberately destroyed well then I doubt I have to paint the rest for you

10-10-2020 11:30AM

4 weeks ago 53 hospital 7 ICU

2 weeks ago 100 hospital 17 ICU

Today 179 Hospital 30 ICU

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 11:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

4 weeks ago 53 hospital 7 ICU

2 weeks ago 100 hospital 17 ICU

Today 179 Hospital 30 ICU

What is the total hospital occupancy rate compared to other years?

You data is essentially a snap shot in time.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 11:35AM

AUDI20 wrote: »

I would be delighted, I am an old age pensioner and only get €230 a week. would be a nice increase for me !!

Your motivation is revealed.

Which is fine btw, we are all motivated by different things during the thing, but have some consideration for those half your age, who are at no risk here.

Last I heard 43000 homes still had mortgage breaks.

facehugger99 · 10-10-2020 11:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

4 weeks ago 53 hospital 7 ICU

2 weeks ago 100 hospital 17 ICU

Today 179 Hospital 30 ICU

Wait, 0.000625% of the population are in ICU?

Level 6 lockdown required - everybody get under your beds until Dr Tony says it's safe to come out.

Penfailed · 10-10-2020 11:43AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What is the total hospital occupancy rate compared to other years?

You data is essentially a snap shot in time.

It's essentially a snapshot in three times.

10-10-2020 11:43AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The tax increases and cuts to services are coming and it will already be far too late to take corrective action when they are introduced.

There are not going to be any tax increases the gov are blue in the face telling this to people.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 11:44AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's essentially a snapshot in three times.

A month is essentially a snapshot in time.

Penfailed · 10-10-2020 11:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your motivation is revealed.

Motivation for what?

10-10-2020 11:44AM

bush wrote: »

Put everyone on 300 euro a week and see how quickly they change their tune.

The go to comment for the anti restrictions crew when they run out of things to say.

Have we any stats for how many are actually doing the same or better on the 300 than in their jobs? If this was done right those in less would get less and those who earned more would get significantly more while costing the same overall.

10-10-2020 11:46AM

Penfailed wrote: »

They'll have to increase taxes and cut services in Sweden too. Sweden's GDP dropped more in Q2 than Norway and Finland. Two weeks ago the death rate was 10 times the two. Here's a list of things that they are doing in Sweden -

Sweden is lowering the taxes and increasing the spending on healthcare/elderlycare, military, infrastructure and school in order to avoid austarity and quicker get back to new surpluses. The deficit for 2020 looks at the moment to be 295 billion SEK which is around €30B. So very similar to Ireland, but with twice the population.

The Swedish national debt will go from 35 to 42% of GDP, still one of the lowest in Europe.

https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2020/09/21/rekordstor-budget-presenterades-i-sverige-105-miljarder-i-extrasatsning-ger-mer

The list you posted are correct but is from the spring. All schools are now open, no travel restrictions anymore, the health officials are saying already that Christmas of course will go ahead but that larger Christmas parties isn't a good idea, visitors to nursing homes are allowed in cooperation with the patient and staff to make sure safety precautions are taken (to just lock up old people without seeing friends and relatives indefinite who are at the end of their life is just not considered correct).

The ban on public gatherings over 50, stay home if having symptoms, work from home when possible (general consensus is that a valid reason to not work from home is mental health or ergonomics). There is no talk or plans for lockdowns of Stockholm and other lies that I see are being spread in the comments sections in Irish newspaper.

10-10-2020 11:53AM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

This. The laziness and general drive to do nothing I find hard to get my head around. Seems to be this overwhelming desire to do nothing out there. How will we ever achieve anything as a country with this kind of attitude?

Where are these people looking to do nothing other than those who have always been like this?

bush · 10-10-2020 12:09PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

The go to comment for the anti restrictions crew when they run out of things to say.

Have we any stats for how many are actually doing the same or better on the 300 than in their jobs? If this was done right those in less would get less and those who earned more would get significantly more while costing the same overall.

I've been out of work for 6 months of the year already. I'm out again trying to live and pay a mortgage on 300 euro. How would you like that pal? You think I'm living it up on 300?

acequion · 10-10-2020 12:18PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Hardly fair to make this a private vs public sector thing. There is a large % of private sector workers WFH and very happy to do so (myself included). There is more public sector than private sector working from home currently I would think.

Also the way you word it “happy to take a wage and WFH” suggested they are doing nothing while the reality is the vast majority are doing their job exactly as they would in the office but benefit from a much improved work/life balance and no commute (or cost of commuting etc). It’s a major positive from this terrible pandemic. The speeding up of the move towards WFH.

For once I agree with nox! I'm cranky right now as are a lot of us so will take issue easily. But as a PS worker, a teacher, I'm heartily sick of this public versus private nonsense which in the last recession was a brilliant divide and conquer strategy and really suited the Govt. I really don't understand why workers can't unite in solidarity. The reality is that you have good and bad in both, industrious and lazy people everywhere. Personally, my job got a whole lot harder when this started, both when wfh and back at school. And hard work is now compounded by the fact that we have no outlets. Can't go for a meal, a weekend away, a match, the cinema, all the little pleasures that help us unwind.

Granted, my livelihood isn't in jeopardy and I'm very grateful for that and very much feel for those in that position which is why I'm against all these restrictions, but this whole thing is having a big effect on my mental health so this is very tough on everybody in different ways.

RobitTV · 10-10-2020 12:30PM

- EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

This is absolutely outrageous if this goes ahead. Who is going to able to afford €200 for a test!?

This has to be the final straw, heavily restricting travel like this is simply unacceptable in our so called "advanced" western society

Dionaibh · 10-10-2020 12:34PM

RobitTV wrote: »

- EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

This is absolutely outrageous if this goes ahead. Who is going to able to afford €200 for a test!?

This has to be the final straw, heavily restricting travel like this is simply unacceptable in our so called "advanced" western society

I believe that they have long wanted to restrict travel. So instead of outright banning it they make it an unpleasant experience. It's all about climate change.

As I've said before, people should seriously consider getting out of the West.

10-10-2020 12:40PM

bush wrote: »

I've been out of work for 6 months of the year already. I'm out again trying to live and pay a mortgage on 300 euro. How would you like that pal? You think I'm living it up on 300?

How you took what I said as a dig at your situation I’m not sure, I sympathise with anyone going through a tough time. Also I stated in my response that the payment should be distributed based on previous earnings (which I know is sort of happening now but it’s not enough) and if you earned more you should be getting more than 300.

But someone who did a few hours a week and earned nowhere near 300 a week should not be getting 300 a week that was my point.

Elmer Blooker · 10-10-2020 12:48PM

RobitTV wrote: »

- EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

This is absolutely outrageous if this goes ahead. Who is going to able to afford €200 for a test!?

This has to be the final straw, heavily restricting travel like this is simply unacceptable in our so called "advanced" western society

Turning this 'virus' into a nice little earner ....... I certainly didn't see that coming! :rolleyes:

Dionaibh · 10-10-2020 12:51PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Turning this 'virus' into a nice little earner ....... I certainly didn't see that coming! :rolleyes:

And I wonder how temporary it'll be. These temporary requirements have a habit of becoming permanent.

AUDI20 · 10-10-2020 12:51PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

That €230 is paid for by the taxpayers of today - it comes out of current spending - the spending we are borrowing €21bn this year to supplement.

How sustainable do you think it will be to continue the OAP at current levels if there are massive job losses and business closures and mountains of debt to be serviced?

Your comments are always so negative, it will be sustainable as it was following the 2008 crash which I believe was worse. there was massive job losses following 2008 also especially in the construction industry. In a couple of years time we will be wondering what all the panic was about.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 12:57PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

Your comments are always so negative, it will be sustainable as it was following the 2008 crash which I believe was worse. there was massive job losses following 2008 also especially in the construction industry. In a couple of years time we will be wondering what all the panic was about.

Well I can agree with you whole heartedly here.

When we look back and see the excess deaths in Ireland this year nothing unusual over the last 10 years, and see the consequences of a lack of concern for anything other than Covid, we will wonder what was all the panic about.

walus · 10-10-2020 01:02PM

RobitTV wrote: »

- EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

This is absolutely outrageous if this goes ahead. Who is going to able to afford €200 for a test!?

This has to be the final straw, heavily restricting travel like this is simply unacceptable in our so called "advanced" western society

Nice little incentive to get on the vaccine wagon, isn’t it? There will be queues of frustrated, anxious and tired people who will just prefer to get the vaccine and get on with their lives over being ostracised and continuing to pay premium for standing by their beliefs and thinking for themselves.

Dionaibh · 10-10-2020 01:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well I can agree with you whole heartedly here.

When we look back and see the excess deaths in Ireland this year nothing unusual over the last 10 years, and see the consequences of a lack of concern for anything other than Covid, we will wonder what was all the panic about.

Spot on. The COVID obsession is possibly the most bizarre thing in human history.

Dionaibh · 10-10-2020 01:04PM

walus wrote: »

Nice little incentive to get on the vaccine wagon, isn’t it? There will be queues of frustrated, anxious and tired people who will just prefer to get the vaccine and get on with their lives over being ostracised and continuing to pay premium for thinking for themselves.

Yes. While it won't be mandatory life will be made very difficult for those who refuse it.

Penfailed · 10-10-2020 01:04PM

RobitTV wrote: »

- EU bringing in mandatory PCR tests at €200 a pop for travelling to countries, if the country you're coming from has more than 25 cases per 100,000.

This is absolutely outrageous if this goes ahead. Who is going to able to afford €200 for a test!?

This has to be the final straw, heavily restricting travel like this is simply unacceptable in our so called "advanced" western society

Seriously? People think nothing of spunking €200 for a sesh on a weekend but become outraged at spending it to ensure people's safety. Perspective required.

Elmer Blooker · 10-10-2020 01:05PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

Your comments are always so negative, it will be sustainable as it was following the 2008 crash which I believe was worse. there was massive job losses following 2008 also especially in the construction industry. In a couple of years time we will be wondering what all the panic was about.

Nothing wrong with being optimistic but with traffic through Dublin Airport down something like 97% and sweet fa VAT coming in it does like this is going to be a LOT worse!

We still had tourism, weddings, sporting events, concerts, restaurants, pubs you name it following '08 bad as it was.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings