Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

jackboy · 10-10-2020 08:35AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

In fact as a country we are really quite poor at looking after our older population in general. We are all coasting along with this for too long and have been conditioned to accept current model.

Most people have work and lives and therefore no time to look after the elderly. A lot of these people don’t have large amounts of spare cash to pay for others to look after them. So, this can only result in the systems we have today.

And that’s before considering the significant minority who see their elderly parents as a burden and don’t want to look after them.

So things could be worse and probably will be worse in the future.

Funsterdelux · 10-10-2020 08:45AM

Im sick of people saying they are sick of people that pretend this is a death sentence for anyone that gets infected.

Necro · 10-10-2020 08:48AM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

As of the 4th September up to one quarter of people contacted as close contacts of an infected person, were not turning up for tests. Does anyone know what the position is now with regard to this?

From what I see locally, it would seem to me, the major problems are
1. People not isolating while waiting for a test.
2. People not isolating when testing positive.
3. People not turning up for tests when they have been identified as close contacts.

Another problem...

4. Contact Tracing is a HUGE issue with the increase in cases.

Still no word from the HSE regarding myself, I wouldn't have a clue whether I was positive or negative only my doctor rang me yesterday having got the results back on Thursday.

Stormyteacup · 10-10-2020 08:49AM

xhomelezz wrote: »

I can't understand, how that is allowed to happen. How does it come there's no follow up, especially people not turning for the test. Should be pretty easy to keep controling it.

Still more complete disconnect from the real world.

Two weeks unpaid may mean one thing to you but for many in low paid work it’s a major issue.

Don’t go to work - don’t get paid and possibly get let go from your zero-contact job.

How is this difficult to comprehend? We’re sleep-walking into widening social division.

Education- the poorest will suffer most from lack of access to technology for online learning, and home situations adverse to schooling.

Health- if you’re private you have a chance of being scheduled for elective surgery or screening, if public you’ll be waiting an increasingly longer time, too long for some.

Housing- mortgage payment breaks have ended so you’re on your own with the banks and eviction looming eventually. Not enough social housing built so where do they go?

Job market bust and emigration not an option. Little chance of recovery for those currently struggling.

Civil unrest is coming and its those in a selfish privileged position pointing fingers at the most disadvantaged in society that will be outraged by consequences and demand solutions.

They are very much part of the problem and should have a good look at themselves.

Tredstone · 10-10-2020 08:51AM

Did anyone really think we would do contact tracing well here?

I reckon we're just too lazy overall for it to work

Littleredcar · 10-10-2020 08:53AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Watched that, awful story and best wishes to him.

One thing that stood out to me was, they never contacted the GP until he was in a bad way, no covid test until in hosptial and he said himself it was brushed off when at home and then we'll see how you are tomorrow(which was said for a few days). We've all been told contact GP ASAP and to not brush it off.

I'm not saying it would have made any difference, thats a complete unknown, but for me its also is a story on how not to deal with initial symptoms while also being an educational story also about covid in general.

At the time he contacted it getting access to a test was difficult you had to be in contact with a confirmed case ?

GooglePlus · 10-10-2020 08:54AM

Tredstone wrote: »

Did anyone really think we would do contact tracing well here?

I reckon we're just too lazy overall for it to work

I don't think it's anything to do with laziness, it's a monstrous task at a time when cases are on the rise.

c montgomery · 10-10-2020 08:59AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

even amongst the most vulnerable, such as the elderly, there is still more of a chance that they will survive than not. Don't know why people insist on pretending this virus is a death sentence for literally everyone who gets infected. Its far from it.

Stop talking sence!! You'll ruin the hysteria

Neamhshuntasach · 10-10-2020 09:01AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Utter tosh.

My grandmother lived in a nursing home for 7 years before dying at the age of 97. (Its actually her birthday today she would have been 112).

My mother was in her nursing home for almost 4 years and was in very good physical health. Only for Covid19, have no reason to believe she wouldn't still be alive today.

It's not. On average, around 2 years is what a lot of people live for upon entry to a nursing home. 3 of my grandparents were in them. All only lived less than a year. I still wouldn't say the average is less than a year. I'd stick to what the calculated average is and not let my personal experience skew it.

Littleredcar · 10-10-2020 09:01AM

I want the schools to stay open. My son is loving being back at school . He really missed the interaction with his friends. However I do think closing the schools at mid term for an extra weeks and going to level 4 would make a big difference in transmission. Otherwise you have thousands of kids and teenagers who will want to meet up and socially distancing doesn’t happen. My youngest during summer would play with a group of four friends and they did try to stay somehow distanced. My teenager stayed distant outside my door but turn the corner and they were in a group

Widdensushi · 10-10-2020 09:03AM

Littleredcar wrote: »

I want the schools to stay open. My son is loving being back at school . He really missed the interaction with his friends. However I do think closing the schools at mid term for an extra weeks and going to level 4 would make a big difference in transmission. Otherwise you have thousands of kids and teenagers who will want to meet up and socially distancing doesn’t happen. My youngest during summer would play with a group of four friends and they did try to stay somehow distanced. My teenager stayed distant outside my door but turn the corner and they were in a group

So you ignored the last lockdown rules but would like more restrictions for the rest of us, thanks.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-10-2020 09:05AM

Have we any recent Irish stats as to how much community transmission there is.

Also for cases and clusters in schools do we have a split between primary and secondary.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 09:11AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm quite surprised David Higgins is posting these sorta charts tbh, he was a big restrictions advocate early on
https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1314696632835899394?s=20

He is one grade A spoofer.

Funsterdelux · 10-10-2020 09:16AM

Good graph of Positive Swabs and confirmed cases over the past month.

Taken from a boards poster's own webpage
https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/

Widdensushi · 10-10-2020 09:18AM

Boggles wrote: »

He is one grade A spoofer.

What was the positivity rate of tests in April?

Littleredcar · 10-10-2020 09:20AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

So you ignored the last lockdown rules but would like more restrictions for the rest of us, thanks.

When or where did I say I ignored the lockdown rules. My kids were in and I can hand on heart say I never broke one rule. My kids were allowed out when the government said it was ok to play out. My teenager was in a group of four friends while she was in my sight she distances however I know (suspect) thst as soon as they left to go to the park, they didn’t distance .
I really don’t like your attitude. I’m working from home since March , I haven’t broken one rule, I have had visitors to my home four times (in-laws) I have visited them once. I do online shopping and have visited shops probably about 16 times in total.
I have a relative in a care facility that I am not able to see , the restrictions have been tough in thst regard as it’s very difficult to see someone you love through a window.
Don’t start accusing people when you don’t know the facts

iamwhoiam · 10-10-2020 09:20AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

So you ignored the last lockdown rules but would like more restrictions for the rest of us, thanks.

During the summer we were not in lockdown and children were allowed play with each other ? So what rule did that poster break ?

Gruffalux · 10-10-2020 09:21AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

What was the positivity rate of tests in April?

In April you had to produce photos of yourself snogging a pangolin to get a covid test.

xhomelezz · 10-10-2020 09:22AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Still more complete disconnect from the real world.

Two weeks unpaid may mean one thing to you but for many in low paid work it’s a major issue.

Don’t go to work - don’t get paid and possibly get let go from your zero-contact job.

How is this difficult to comprehend? We’re sleep-walking into widening social division.

Education- the poorest will suffer most from lack of access to technology for online learning, and home situations adverse to schooling.

Health- if you’re private you have a chance of being scheduled for elective surgery or screening, if public you’ll be waiting an increasingly longer time, too long for some.

Housing- mortgage payment breaks have ended so you’re on your own with the banks and eviction looming eventually. Not enough social housing built so where do they go?

Job market bust and emigration not an option. Little chance of recovery for those currently struggling.

Civil unrest is coming and its those in a selfish privileged position pointing fingers at the most disadvantaged in society that will be outraged by consequences and demand solutions.

They are very much part of the problem and should have a good look at themselves.

What does all this has to do with people not turning for test? Do you think that kind of behaviour is gonna make all that in your post better? Nope
The only privilege I have is I'm still employed, that's all and not high earner either, with two kids. Still was able to show for my test..

Funsterdelux · 10-10-2020 09:23AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

In April you had to produce photos of yourself snogging a pangolin to get a covid test.

Apès ski bar receipts also sufficed.

polesheep · 10-10-2020 09:26AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

I don't want the curfew because I want to live to a good age, I want the curfew in areas OF IRELAND where Covid is out of control to ensure that a large number of people in that area don't get covid as a result of the selfish ignorance of a significant number of people who have demonstrated a complete lack of social conscience.

And, unless I missed something, the population of Ireland the last time I looked was close to 5 million, so YOU can feck off with your 7.8 Billion numbers, what other countries choose to do to manage Covid in their countries is not something I can influence.

A large number of infected people has the potential to overwhelm our limited and already stretched health service, so we ALL have to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening for the sake of the people that work there, and the people who may well die unnecessarily because the system is overloaded.

As a significant minority have demonstrated that they are not prepared to have a social conscience for the sake of others, the only remaining option is to make sure that they conform by imposing the necessary restrictions across the board.

I don't need to repeat the sorts of behaviour that are causing clusters, anyone that's read the mountain of posts in this thread alone is well aware of the areas that are causing problems.

How dare you imprison me in my own home! Do you honestly believe it's ok to lock me and others up, depriving us of a portion of our day, of our life, in order to extend yours? Are you royalty? Have I woken up in an Ireland where there is some sort of caste system making one life more valuable than another? We are all given a certain number of days on this planet and I will not sacrifice any of mine to extend yours.

I wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance and willingly go without things that are important to me to help protect the life of others, but I will not give up precious time from my life to help you live to be 95.

The selfishness on both sides of the divide in this pandemic is breathtaking. Thankfully, in real life the vast majority of people are not so extreme.

manniot2 · 10-10-2020 09:29AM

So I read Nphet were the ones that recommended the introduction of fines. And people here say they are just health professions who’s remit is to advise on health matters only? Wake up

Littleredcar · 10-10-2020 09:29AM

polesheep wrote: »

How dare you imprison me in my own home! Do you honestly believe it's ok to lock me and others up, depriving us of a portion of our day, of our life, in order to extend yours? Are you royalty? Have I woken up in an Ireland where there is some sort of caste system making one life more valuable than another? We are all given a certain number of days on this planet and I will not sacrifice any of mine to extend yours.

I wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance and willingly go without things that are important to me to help protect the life of others, but I will not give up precious time from my life to help you live to be 95.

The selfishness on both sides of the divide in this pandemic is breathtaking. Thankfully, in real life the vast majority of people are not so extreme.

How about letting someone live to 40 / 42/50

Jackman25 · 10-10-2020 09:30AM

polesheep wrote: »

How dare you imprison me in my own home! Do you honestly believe it's ok to lock me and others up, depriving us of a portion of our day, of our life, in order to extend yours? Are you royalty? Have I woken up in an Ireland where there is some sort of caste system making one life more valuable than another? We are all given a certain number of days on this planet and I will not sacrifice any of mine to extend yours.

I wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance and willingly go without things that are important to me to help protect the life of others, but I will not give up precious time from my life to help you live to be 95.

The selfishness on both sides of the divide in this pandemic is breathtaking. Thankfully, in real life the vast majority of people are not so extreme.

That lad would intern everyone between 15 and 40 for the next 2 years and call them selfish for not doing it with a smile.

If your that terrified of it, lock yourself down.

Dr.MickKiller · 10-10-2020 09:31AM

Necro wrote: »

Another problem...

4. Contact Tracing is a HUGE issue with the increase in cases.

Still no word from the HSE regarding myself, I wouldn't have a clue whether I was positive or negative only my doctor rang me yesterday having got the results back on Thursday.

I believe the HSE sends a text message if the test is negative and the doctor needs to contact you if you're positive?

Necro · 10-10-2020 09:33AM

Dr.MickKiller wrote: »

I believe the HSE sends a text message if the test is negative and the doctor needs to contact you if you're positive?

Correct, the contact tracers are also supposed to contact you within 3 days of your test though

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/testing/contact-tracing.html

Still waiting...

Looney1 · 10-10-2020 09:34AM

hospitals up to 194

patnor1011 · 10-10-2020 09:35AM

polesheep wrote: »

How dare you imprison me in my own home! Do you honestly believe it's ok to lock me and others up, depriving us of a portion of our day, of our life, in order to extend yours? Are you royalty? Have I woken up in an Ireland where there is some sort of caste system making one life more valuable than another? We are all given a certain number of days on this planet and I will not sacrifice any of mine to extend yours.

I wear a mask, wash my hands, social distance and willingly go without things that are important to me to help protect the life of others, but I will not give up precious time from my life to help you live to be 95.

The selfishness on both sides of the divide in this pandemic is breathtaking. Thankfully, in real life the vast majority of people are not so extreme.

It is mostly people in public service. Biggest lockdown enthusiasts are from a group of the people who would have stay home on a full pay. (not required even to "work from home").
For them lockdown is a godsend. Extra holiday time spent glued to TV, internet and barbecuing in back garden. One or two shop runs a day to gossip while patiently waiting in queue as we are all in this together right?

shinzon · 10-10-2020 09:37AM

manniot2 wrote: »

So I read Nphet were the ones that recommended the introduction of fines. And people here say they are just health professions who’s remit is to advise on health matters only? Wake up

Wake up to what exactly people are willfully breaking the restrictions and spreading the virus that falls under public health so NPHET recommending fines is perfectly in its remit and its a recommendation thats been accepted by government so dunno what your on about

Shin

Littleredcar · 10-10-2020 09:38AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

It is mostly people in public service. Biggest lockdown enthusiasts are from a group of the people who would have stay home on a full pay. (not required even to "work from home").
For them lockdown is a godsend. Extra holiday time spent glued to TV, internet and barbecuing in back garden. One or two shop runs a day to gossip while patiently waiting in queue as we are all in this together right?

Did all public servants not work from home ?
Bbq in this weather 😂

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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