Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Russman wrote: »

It’s almost like NPHET have access to lots more information and indicators than commentators on the internet do......

Joking aside, surely if case numbers approach 1k per day and the associated increase in admissions becomes a reality, it’s only a matter of time before Micheál has a very uncomfortable press conference to do ?
Or will Dublin potentially stabilising buy us more time to see if Level 3 works ?

MM done well here I think, most people associate Leo with the rufusal to listen to NPHET.

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Ok so you agree then that in the letter we would have moved to phase 5 and schools would remain open for the time being at least.

That was a core priority and one of the main reasons to move to Level 5 at Midnight Monday, it stated to achieve the priorities they would need significant buy in for 4 weeks.

No where in the letter did it state that the Tanaiste should go on live television, throw a complete teenage tantrum and we will all have a think about at level 3 for 3 weeks.

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Industrial action would also more than likely have occurred if following that recommendation from NPHET.

That's a narrative that seems to have become a fact for absolutely no reason.

Teachers want to show up to school and teach, the alternative is a fúcking nightmare.

The unions were the first out today saying there was absolutely no need to close the schools and a 50/50 model or some alternative should be explored.

Irelands hide and seek champion and all round creepy cyborg Norma Foley has not offered any such direction, there was "guidelines" rushed out this morning which as usual are pretty fúcking scant on detail.

I'm confused.

Covid has a natural R rate of about 2.5, if no precautions are taken. And of course, that means schools are open, as are pubs, nightclubs, concerts, festivals, sports matches etc etc.

Two thirds of the working population are WFH. Public transport is fairly deserted. People are wearing masks indoors most of the time, and at least attempting social distancing if they are not wearing a mask. Gyms are closed. Hardly anyone is flying on airplanes.

So how are we in a situation where someone who gets infected with covid goes on to infect between 1 and 2 more people? I know some people will say "it's the schools, it has to be!", and I admit there is a certain logic to that. But if it was the schools that were fueling this, would we see a massive increase in percentage of infections being in the 0-14 category? It's not like they're not being tested - primary school children have been to testing centres in their droves since school reopened and the usual slew of back-to-school lurgy began.

I had really thought that 80/90% of people wearing masks and practicing social distancing indoors, along with having 2/3 of the working population stay at home and off public transport would have a much bigger impact on the R number than it has.

i mean, if it's not the schools, how the f*ck is thing still transmitting so efficiently?? And if it is the schools, why is the 0-14 age category still only making up 10% of positive cases, which is the same percentage of positive cases during the summer?

i have to admit. I'm flummoxed.

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

A Department of Education spokesperson said that keeping schools safely open for children and staff was a key priority at all levels of the Government’s framework plan for living with Covid-19

Schools, early learning and childcare services, adult and higher education

Level 4

Schools and creches will remain open with protective measures.

Level 5

Recommendations based on situation and evidence at time

It's no surprise the DOE are not keeping up with the evolving situation, but you would imagine they would have given it a glance before issuing a press release.

landofthetree wrote: »

Teachers should still be brought in.

Without pupils their is no risk of spread.

An empty school can easily accommodate them all.

If we were to move to some form of remote learning I think teachers should have the option to work from home or travel to school. My internet is 100x better at home than it is in school. It would be way more efficient for me to WFH when I will be uploading video lessons/powerpoints/voice notes etc. to facilitate online learning. As per the guidelines the teacher will have to be available during the school hours regardless of where they are.

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Why? If there are no students why would they not work from home like every other business?

Exactly.... makes no sense.

You need cleaners, maintenance, secretary/admin occasionally other support staff too..... no students just work at home.

khalessi wrote: »

If I am going in, the kids will have to come too as no one to mind them and there will be a lot of teachers in that boat.

There will be a lot of parents in that same boat .

Deshawn wrote: »

Varadkar is a shït stirring smug merchant.

Why?

JDD wrote: »

I'm confused.

Covid has a natural R rate of about 2.5, if no precautions are taken. And of course, that means schools are open, as are pubs, nightclubs, concerts, festivals, sports matches etc etc.

Two thirds of the working population are WFH. Public transport is fairly deserted. People are wearing masks indoors most of the time, and at least attempting social distancing if they are not wearing a mask. Gyms are closed. Hardly anyone is flying on airplanes.

So how are we in a situation where someone who gets infected with covid goes on to infect between 1 and 2 more people? I know some people will say "it's the schools, it has to be!", and I admit there is a certain logic to that. But if it was the schools that were fueling this, would we see a massive increase in percentage of infections being in the 0-14 category? It's not like they're not being tested - primary school children have been to testing centres in their droves since school reopened and the usual slew of back-to-school lurgy began.

I had really thought that 80/90% of people wearing masks and practicing social distancing indoors, along with having 2/3 of the working population stay at home and off public transport would have a much bigger impact on the R number than it has.

i mean, if it's not the schools, how the f*ck is thing still transmitting so efficiently?? And if it is the schools, why is the 0-14 age category still only making up 10% of positive cases, which is the same percentage of positive cases during the summer?

i have to admit. I'm flummoxed.

Have you seen a dublin bus recently?

landofthetree wrote: »

He is too blunt.

You cant tell the average Irish person the truth.

Well Leo certainly doesn’t seem able to anyway...