Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 01:40PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Visiting a small selection of friends or family members (once you know they are also very careful with their contacts isn't what I'm taking about and you know that well. Happened to meet a friend by chance on an outdoor walk during the week, its the first one of my friends I have met in person since early March. Contacts limited to close family members on both sides otherwise for the most part.

That poster has been non stop on about going to house parties and meeting loads of people in pubs and their houses for weeks now. These are the people spreading the virus.

God help who ever you work for or with. You should not be meeting people in groups, going to other peoples houses etc. It's insanity that you cannot see the potential damage you are doing.

Why? We are all well spaced out in the office with the windows open. I'm in no way, shape or form worried about this bug.

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 01:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm in no way, shape or form worried about this bug.

And that's part of the problem.

You're not worried about it, and you're clearly not worried about the prospect of the vulnerable getting it either if your posts are anything to go by.

You're quite willing to admit that you're flouting the rules all over the shop. So you give up the right to complain about the pubs being closed as:

A) It's people acting like you keeping them closed.

It's people like you who we can't trust to keep the rest of us safe when we DO open them.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 01:58PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

And that's part of the problem.

You're not worried about it, and you're clearly not worried about the prospect of the vulnerable getting it either if your posts are anything to go by.

You're quite willing to admit that you're flouting the rules all over the shop. So you give up the right to complain about the pubs being closed as:

A) It's people acting like you keeping them closed.

It's people like you who we can't trust to keep the rest of us safe when we DO open them.

I give up no rights. I'll have fun whether pubs are open or not. If more people had my attitude the government would be forced to reopen places. Unfortunately we have a placid population who are walked all over by those we choose to represent us and have done for decades.

Hopefully the PressUp group will get them reopened asap. I expect more weasel words from our fearless leaders about guidelines etc same as they did when Ryanair/Aer Lingus put it up to them in court.

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 02:00PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I give up no rights.

You give up the chance to be taken seriously pal.

Pubs would be open if people like you would just cop on!

09-10-2020 02:04PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

You give up the chance to be taken seriously pal.

Pubs would be open if people like you would just cop on!

No they wouldn't. You may feel better telling yourself that, but they wouldn't.

I see sheep · 09-10-2020 02:07PM

Are there many pubs still open? (I'm not in Ireland)

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 02:08PM

AdamD wrote: »

No they wouldn't. You may feel better telling yourself that, but they wouldn't.

Maybe.

Schools certainly aren't helping.

But if you're screaming for the pubs to be open, the least you can do is actually contribute

hynesie08 · 09-10-2020 02:10PM

I see sheep wrote: »

Are there many pubs still open? (I'm not in Ireland)

It's not hard to find one, but sitting outside in ireland in October is not a pretty proposition.

If you're talking knock on the window type situations, I've heard of a couple, but nowhere near as many as the old good friday cleaning specials.

Utopia Parkway · 09-10-2020 02:14PM

I see sheep wrote: »

Are there many pubs still open? (I'm not in Ireland)

Some still open but I'd say the majority have closed. Difficult to be viable serving a maximum of 15 people outdoors during an Irish winter.

This is it · 09-10-2020 02:18PM

AdamD wrote: »

No they wouldn't. You may feel better telling yourself that, but they wouldn't.

Neither of you can say they would or wouldn't with any certainty.

Suckit · 09-10-2020 02:21PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I give up no rights. I'll have fun whether pubs are open or not. If more people had my attitude the government would be forced to reopen places. Unfortunately we have a placid population who are walked all over by those we choose to represent us and have done for decades.

Hopefully the PressUp group will get them reopened asap. I expect more weasel words from our fearless leaders about guidelines etc same as they did when Ryanair/Aer Lingus put it up to them in court.

More people do have your attitude and they're not. They are part of the reason that they are staying closed.
PressUp group are unlikely to get anything opened.
The main reason (which has been said thousands of times before) that Ireland is trying to be extra careful is because we do not have the capacity in hospitals to deal with it if it gets bad, especially at this time of the year.
It's not all about the virus, there are plenty of other reasons that people need to use hospitals, and if they become more overcrowded than usual at this time of the year, it could be beyond catastrophic.

https://www.thejournal.ie/inmo-hospital-beds-trolleys-4419665-Jan2019/

https://inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13454

09-10-2020 02:28PM

I work in a building with approx 100 other people, mostly open plan, but some single occupancy offices. Where possible staff are working from home, (myself included) but there are others who need to be on site to access equipment and resources.

Even with reduced attendance there have been positive cases amongst our staff, and several staff members have lost family members to Covid19 (myself included). I haven't kept count of the number of close contacts I've heard about.

Now I know some will be skeptical of my "anecdotal evidence" but I am equally skeptical that in a company of 600+ people there has not been a single case, or even a whisper of one.

I would conclude there are three reasons for this -

(a) its untrue, but suits the narrative,
(b) staff in that company are not being made aware of cases, or
(c) asymptomatic cases - which is probably even more dangerous, as the virus can still be spread.

But nobody on this island should be "not worried about it".

That's just plain irresponsible, and if everyone took that attitude, well, we'll be facing closures and lockdowns with no end in sight - and they're the very people who will grumble the loudest about it.

HBC08 · 09-10-2020 02:32PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'm not quoting noxs load of gibberish but zoom quizzes are ****e, and if you think they are a replacement for actual human interaction, you are clearly an idiot.

Haha! i enjoyed the odd zoom quiz in the original lockdown but the novelty wore off quick,I'd rather saw off an arm at this stage.

HBC08 · 09-10-2020 02:34PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I can't work from home. I'm an essential worker.

You're an essential sauce merchant.

MOH · 09-10-2020 02:42PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

This is not about a pub it’s a house gathering which is not allowed under current restrictions and for very good reason.

This is a straightforward lie. 4 people sharing a house could quite legitimately go and visit four other people sharing a house.

As for pubs of course they are high risk and really are not feasible to be open while trying to contain a pandemic, same goes for restaurants.

This is also incorrect. Every other country in Europe has determined that pubs and restaurants could open all summer. And again, the actual figures show that you're just talking nonsense.

Suckit · 09-10-2020 02:47PM

MOH wrote: »

This is a straightforward lie. 4 people sharing a house could quite legitimately go and visit four other people sharing a house.

This is also incorrect. Every other country in Europe has determined that pubs and restaurants could open all summer. And again, the actual figures show that you're just talking nonsense.

Except for the original cases in march which seemed to have mostly caused spikes via pubs.

09-10-2020 02:53PM

MOH wrote: »

This is a straightforward lie. 4 people sharing a house could quite legitimately go and visit four other people sharing a house.

Yeah but that's unlikely what is happening and you know that well.

MOH wrote: »

This is also incorrect. Every other country in Europe has determined that pubs and restaurants could open all summer. And again, the actual figures show that you're just talking nonsense.

And the virus is absolutely running wild in Europe, not a very good advertisement you are using.

MOH · 09-10-2020 03:08PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Yeah but that's unlikely what is happening and you know that well.

You made a blanket statement about what isn't allowed which was totally untrue. Just admit that you're lying, you know that well.

And the virus is absolutely running wild in Europe, not a very good advertisement you are using.

The virus wasn't "absolutely running wild" in Europe all summer, so it's actually a fantastic advertisement. Summer ended a while ago by the way, you might want to start digging out your winter wardrobe.

Plus the virus is running wild here too, in case you hadn't noticed, despite us keeping the evil pubs closed.

Real Donald Trump · 09-10-2020 03:09PM

dmakc wrote: »

Does Tony drink?

Only in the Dail bar

09-10-2020 03:11PM

MOH wrote: »

You made a blanket statement about what isn't allowed which was totally untrue. Just admit that you're lying, you know that well.

Your example would cover a tiny number of cases, most large gatherings of friends in houses would be against the guidelines.

MOH wrote: »

Plus the virus is running wild here too, in case you hadn't noticed, despite us keeping the evil pubs closed.

Could you imagine the situation if we were as open as some want?

MOH · 09-10-2020 03:14PM

Suckit wrote: »

Except for the original cases in march which seemed to have mostly caused spikes via pubs.

The HSE data shows a total of 10 clusters attributed to pubs during the entire pandemic, and at least 3 of those were in the past month (because it was 7 when I checked a few weeks ago).

So at most 7 clusters were caused by pubs in March. At a time when we know large numbers of people were travelling to areas of Europe which shortly afterwards showed skyrocketing numbers.

But yeah, the cause of the initial lockdown here was definitely the pubs :rolleyes:

MOH · 09-10-2020 03:18PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Your example would cover a tiny number of cases, most large gatherings of friends in houses would be against the guidelines.

None of which changes the fact that your claim that any household gathering is illegal is an outright lie

Could you imagine the situation if we were as open as some want?

Could I imagine the situation if the pubs had been open all summer with proper restrictions, exactly as everywhere else in Europe was, where they saw no significant increases attributed to same?

No, I can't. It would be so vastly different to exactly the way the situation is right now that my puny brain can't possibly envisage such a scenario.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 03:24PM

Suckit wrote: »

More people do have your attitude and they're not. They are part of the reason that they are staying closed.
PressUp group are unlikely to get anything opened.
The main reason (which has been said thousands of times before) that Ireland is trying to be extra careful is because we do not have the capacity in hospitals to deal with it if it gets bad, especially at this time of the year.
It's not all about the virus, there are plenty of other reasons that people need to use hospitals, and if they become more overcrowded than usual at this time of the year, it could be beyond catastrophic.

https://www.thejournal.ie/inmo-hospital-beds-trolleys-4419665-Jan2019/

https://inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13454

So you think a judge will rule against them because something "might happen"?? That's on the HSE, not the bar owners of Ireland.

Suckit · 09-10-2020 03:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you think a judge will rule against them because something "might happen"?? That's on the HSE, not the bar owners of Ireland.

No. I said Press Up are unlikely to get anything opened.

rubadub · 09-10-2020 04:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Get a few platters from one of the local takeaways and it should be a great night.

Jaysus, I never liked the idea of platters long before covid hit, always some double dipping scumbags and manky bastards pawing through food.

hetuzozaho · 09-10-2020 04:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know i didnt have it. I have been in close contact with loads of friends and family and none of them had it. Work with a company that has over 600 employees and not one person has contracted covid 19 so i am fully sure i didnt get it

The fact that people still don't understand the basics of this thing. No chance of pubs ha! :pac:

09-10-2020 04:20PM

MOH wrote: »

None of which changes the fact that your claim that any household gathering is illegal is an outright lie

C

I didn’t say any household gathering was illegal I said the one described was (which as it was described it almost certainly is).

MOH · 09-10-2020 04:42PM

Suckit wrote: »

Except for the original cases in march which seemed to have mostly caused spikes via pubs.

Sorry for replying to this twice, but I just briefly popped out to my local Aldi where the idiot behind at the checkout who fails to understand social distancing 7 months in just prompted a few unpleasant memories.

My last visit to my local was Friday March 13th (the day after social distancing and the initial restrictions on numbers were announced). On their own initiative they had put up hand sanitisers inside the front door and outside the toilets, had signs up asking for card payments instead of cash, and were wiping down tables the second anyone left. The crowd is usually a bit of a mix but skews towards an older bunch, and people were generally keeping a distance.
They were closed by the Sunday, haven't reopened since, and might never. That's despite having a large, heated beer garden, but they're not set up for food and I can see how ordering in might not work there.

I went to supermarkets about three times over the following week. Each experience was terrifying. There were people crowding each other everywhere, the tills being the worst where you had no choice but to stand there while the moron behind you physically leaned in on you. (At least that was better than the Tesco in Baggot St which had to lock its doors at lunchtime the day social distancing was announced because it was packed to the rafters with panic buyers). I honestly kept thinking every time I went shopping how much safer the pub had felt the previous Friday.

I think it was the 19th that the concept of limiting numbers and queueing started in supermarkets. It was at least two or three weeks after that before they thought of things like hand sanitiser or that people were all handling the same baskets. My local Dunnes at one point had a staff member ostentatiously nipping in ahead of everyone at the self service till wiping them down - the basket area, the scanner, even the floor. Not going near the touchscreen or the credit card keypad.

Given the pubs were closed 3 days after social distancing initially came in, if you're looking for causes of early clusters, the supermarkets are a no-brainer.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 04:49PM

rubadub wrote: »

Jaysus, I never liked the idea of platters long before covid hit, always some double dipping scumbags and manky bastards pawing through food.

It’s amongst friends. Take what you want and put it on a plate.

Suckit · 09-10-2020 10:16PM

MOH wrote: »

Sorry for replying to this twice, but I just briefly popped out to my local Aldi where the idiot behind at the checkout who fails to understand social distancing 7 months in just prompted a few unpleasant memories.

My last visit to my local was Friday March 13th (the day after social distancing and the initial restrictions on numbers were announced). On their own initiative they had put up hand sanitisers inside the front door and outside the toilets, had signs up asking for card payments instead of cash, and were wiping down tables the second anyone left. The crowd is usually a bit of a mix but skews towards an older bunch, and people were generally keeping a distance.
They were closed by the Sunday, haven't reopened since, and might never. That's despite having a large, heated beer garden, but they're not set up for food and I can see how ordering in might not work there.

I went to supermarkets about three times over the following week. Each experience was terrifying. There were people crowding each other everywhere, the tills being the worst where you had no choice but to stand there while the moron behind you physically leaned in on you. (At least that was better than the Tesco in Baggot St which had to lock its doors at lunchtime the day social distancing was announced because it was packed to the rafters with panic buyers). I honestly kept thinking every time I went shopping how much safer the pub had felt the previous Friday.

I think it was the 19th that the concept of limiting numbers and queueing started in supermarkets. It was at least two or three weeks after that before they thought of things like hand sanitiser or that people were all handling the same baskets. My local Dunnes at one point had a staff member ostentatiously nipping in ahead of everyone at the self service till wiping them down - the basket area, the scanner, even the floor. Not going near the touchscreen or the credit card keypad.

Given the pubs were closed 3 days after social distancing initially came in, if you're looking for causes of early clusters, the supermarkets are a no-brainer.

Social distancing came in because the numbers had risen so quickly when everything was still open. Also IIRC there was a large horse racing festival on that week and the pubs were heaving. Roll forward two weeks from the 15th of March and there were over 2500 cases and almost 50 deaths, if the pubs had been still open not a single doubt in my mind that would have been a lot higher.

The supermarket panic buying probably did contribute, but nothing like the numbers that the pubs did.

By the time the panic buying started, there were many that were not going out and panic buying and being very careful.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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