Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 01:24PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Sounds like a valid concern

Maybe contact the PRESS Ombudsman

It's a valid concern because this obsession leads to knee jerk reactions and poor decision making reacting to the latest hype.

For example, my wife, a nurse working 'on the frontline' was yet again delayed by over an hour coming home exhausted from work yesterday because of 'Operation Fanacht'.

Sconsey · 09-10-2020 01:32PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They need to be banned, every single f'n person who has to talk regularly is touching the front of them trying to adjust them. Your safer with them behind a screen with no mask than you are with someone touching them constantly behind a screen.

Let me guess....based on anecdotal evidence. Any real evidence?

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 01:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

Main headline on Euronews right now.

Spanish government declares state of emergency in Madrid after court rejects partial lockdown

Sub heading.

Coronavirus second wave: Which countries in Europe are experiencing a fresh spike in COVID-19 cases?

You are not getting into a petty argument with me, you are doing so with yourself and your own examples.

Not at all. You are choosing to ignore all the examples I listed. And this is the first Covid 19 headline in Euronews for the last 5 days.

The rest of Europe is not as obsessed with Covid as we are here (certainly in our media).

This myopic fixation on one issue is dangerous and leads to poor planning and short term knee jerk reactions from Government. (Remember the Bank Guarantee?)

TonyMaloney · 09-10-2020 01:32PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

It's a valid concern because this obsession leads to knee jerk reactions and poor decision making reacting to the latest hype.

For example, my wife, a nurse working 'on the frontline' was yet again delayed by over an hour coming home exhausted from work yesterday because of 'Operation Fanacht'.

RTE News did not have an impact on the gov's decision to put up checkpoints on motorways.

Come on

Boggles · 09-10-2020 01:35PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Not at all. You are choosing to ignore all the examples I listed. And this is the first Covid 19 headline in Euronews for the last 5 days.

Ahhhh. They are your examples I am posting.

:pac:

Boggles · 09-10-2020 01:36PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

It's a valid concern because this obsession leads to knee jerk reactions and poor decision making reacting to the latest hype.

For example, my wife, a nurse working 'on the frontline' was yet again delayed by over an hour coming home exhausted from work yesterday because of 'Operation Fanacht'.

The government are not listening to their own public health team I can't imagine they are being swayed by RTE.

stockshares · 09-10-2020 01:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The 171 is inclusive of ICU.

Take the ICU number away from 171 and you get the numbers in general beds.

Its in the HSE ops report stating how many are covid in ICU and how many Covid paitents are on ventilators

Thank you, so from the HSE Covid ops report page below.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

171 in total in hospital with Covid.
144 of these cases are in general beds.
27 in Critical Care(ICU)

280 total Critical Care(ICU) beds
244 occupied
36 free
217 in ICU are as a result of other Illnesses
27 in ICU are Covid cases
17 of the 27 Covid cases are on Ventilators

landofthetree · 09-10-2020 01:41PM

The intensive care units in Dutch hospitals can currently accommodate three times more coronavirus patients than they could in March, according to Diederik Gommers of the Dutch association for intensive care NVIC

That's what I call good government.

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 01:42PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

RTE News did not have an impact on the gov's decision to put up checkpoints on motorways.

Come on

Can I suggest that it is due to political pressure to be seen to do something?

The Guards hardly decided to do this without consulting the Government. And the politicians want to be seen to do something (no matter how pointless it seems).

This is a political reaction to the blanket coverage and relentless fear mongering we witness on a daily basis.

Over 9000 people die from cancer each year in Ireland. It does not make the news on a nightly basis.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-10-2020 01:43PM

landofthetree wrote: »

That's what I call good government.

Is that expansion in ICU or surge capacity from cancelling non covid surgery and using operating theaters as ICU?

Genuine question? In Ireland we can surge ICU with approx 200 beds by shutting down large elements of normal health service. We don't want to do it. According to government not doing that and keep g schools open are the priorities.

TonyMaloney · 09-10-2020 01:44PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Not at all. You are choosing to ignore all the examples I listed. And this is the first Covid 19 headline in Euronews for the last 5 days.

The rest of Europe is not as obsessed with Covid as we are here (certainly in our media).

This myopic fixation on one issue is dangerous and leads to poor planning and short term knee jerk reactions from Government. (Remember the Bank Guarantee?)

no it's not

https://web.archive.org/web/20201006191112/https://www.euronews.com/news

https://web.archive.org/web/20201004050011/https://www.euronews.com/news

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 01:44PM

shinzon wrote: »

“In August, 4 COVID-19 related deaths in total were reported, 34 in September and today on the 7 of October we report 8 COVID-19 related deaths this month.”

Wrong

Shin

How many in September/October were from months ago??

Sweet.Science · 09-10-2020 01:44PM

landofthetree wrote: »

That's what I call good government.

Or competent health service ?

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 01:46PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So stay in your own county but fly to anywhere in the world and no need to quarantine on return

Again, as the government were extremely keen to point out to Ryanair/Aer Lingus, this is just a guideline and no where near an order.

Gael23 · 09-10-2020 01:47PM

Would this indicate a possible move to level 5 https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

AlphaDelta1 · 09-10-2020 01:50PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Can I suggest that it is due to political pressure to be seen to do something?

The Guards hardly decided to do this without consulting the Government. And the politicians want to be seen to do something (no matter how pointless it seems).

This is a political reaction to the blanket coverage and relentless fear mongering we witness on a daily basis.

Over 9000 people die from cancer each year in Ireland. It does not make the news on a nightly basis.

You can't catch cancer by hugging your friend.

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 01:51PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would this indicate a possible move to level 5 https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

That's the so-called circuit breaker. Where it has been tried in Oz and NZ it has lasted a lot longer than promised. As the article points out this schools question hasn't even been talked about.

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 01:51PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

no it's not

https://web.archive.org/web/20201006191112/https://www.euronews.com/news

https://web.archive.org/web/20201004050011/https://www.euronews.com/news

You do understand the term main headline?

fritzelly · 09-10-2020 01:51PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would this indicate a possible move to level 5 https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

Why would it?

seamus · 09-10-2020 01:52PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would this indicate a possible move to level 5 https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

No. Even NPHET last night did not recommend a move to level 5.

The "longer mid-term" rumour probably started on WhatsApp, ended up on some TD's phone and has now become a talking point.

If anything a longer mid-term sparks greater potential for spread, because you'll have a week of people travelling all over the place trying to keep the kids entertained.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-10-2020 01:53PM

seamus wrote: »

No. Even NPHET last night did not recommend a move to level 5.

The "longer mid-term" rumour probably started on WhatsApp, ended up on some TD's phone and has now become a talking point.

If anything a longer mid-term sparks greater potential for spread, because you'll have a week of people travelling all over the place trying to keep the kids entertained.

Well I think that's more along the lines of you said no already so there's no point saying it again. They did say the situation had worsened since Sunday.

Ger Roe · 09-10-2020 01:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would this indicate a possible move to level 5 https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1009/1170464-schools/

No, it will be difficult for the Gov to move to level 5 in the near future, because of all the fuss they caused in dealing with and refusing the NPHET request. This, and other moves might be used as fudge to go to 'level 3 plus some bits' to get the job done, and save face by not actually mentioning the 'level 5' term. Level 5, while the memory of the debacle is still fresh, is now a politically toxic term.

Andrewf20 · 09-10-2020 01:54PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Icu gone from 25 to 30 this morning

But what is this in comparison any other year? This could be completely within the normal distribution from previous Autumns.

(From 2015) 2,800 die every winter in Ireland from respiratory illness, which is approx 30 deaths per day if winter is taken as a 3 month period.

Blondini · 09-10-2020 01:56PM

Andrewf20 wrote: »

But what is this in comparison any other year? This could be completely within the normal distribution from previous Autumns.

(From 2015) 2,800 die every winter in Ireland from respiratory illness, which is approx 30 deaths per day if winter is taken as a 3 month period.

Every other year it was Zero. Covid didn't exist. That's just covid ICU numbers.

ACitizenErased · 09-10-2020 01:57PM

Blondini wrote: »

Every other year it was Zero.

The poster said respiratory illness, not COVID.

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 01:59PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

No, it will be difficult for the Gov to move to level 5 in the near future, because of all the fuss they caused in dealing with and refusing the NPHET request. This, and other moves might be used as fudge to go to 'level 3 plus some bits' to get the job done, and save face by not actually mentioning the 'level 5' term. Level 5, while the memory of the debacle is still fresh, is now a politically toxic term.

The decision on Monday gives them plenty of time to have a strategy for Level 5. Given the choice they'd rather stay put at this level hence the heavy handed enforcement. I reckon they will go to 4 if required but we need to be in a really awful place before they opt for Level 5.

Blondini · 09-10-2020 01:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The poster said respiratory illness, not COVID.

No he didn't when he was referring to ICU.

ACitizenErased · 09-10-2020 02:00PM

Blondini wrote: »

No he didn't when he was referring to ICU.

Yes, how busy is ICU generally at this time of the year, due to respiratory illness.

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 02:00PM

Andrewf20 wrote: »

But what is this in comparison any other year? This could be completely within the normal distribution from previous Autumns.

(From 2015) 2,800 die every winter in Ireland from respiratory illness, which is approx 30 deaths per day if winter is taken as a 3 month period.

It's a count of COVID ICU cases, not a comparison with anything else. It's one of the metrics they use to determine what level of restrictions we need.

political analyst · 09-10-2020 02:00PM

Dr Mary Favier told Dobbo on today's News at 1 that current behaviours increased the likelihood of restrictions being raised to Level 5.

Cafés, pubs and restaurants can only do takeaway and outside table service (Wet pubs in Donegal are completely closed). GAA county action has been suspended.

Obviously, those restrictions have reduced the number of people who are socialising. So what more does Dr Favier want?! The current restrictions have only been in place for a few days!

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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