Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 07:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Drove into town out of curiosity, every pub bolted...all except one. My local. Charlie came through in fine style. As I type, working my way through the lone porter. Two other hardy bucks in the beer garden, we're well separated out. Canopy to keep the rain out, heaters on demand at push of button. Bliss. No killjoys around here, life is good. Hell, it could be a lot worse.

Jammy git!!!

mountgomery burns · 09-10-2020 07:39AM

Irish Steve I take it from your post about curfews you've been around a while so to speak.

If I am right in that you will know Ireland has some of the highest spending per capita in Europe on healthcare. I really hope you are right but I'll say the jury is very much out on that "this time it will be different" perspective.

The post also does a great disservice to those in the hospitality sector and indeed people's general responsibility. Society is not built for social distancing, it's amazing how people think staying 2 metres away from people is a simple thing to ask over the course of 7 months, when people have no timeframe for when we might expect to exit the crisis.

dominatinMC · 09-10-2020 07:39AM

As per Fergal Bowers: "The total number of outbreaks in pubs is now 10, up 1 on previous week, latest HPSC data shows. School outbreaks total 48, up 12 on past week. HPSC says transmission of the virus within the school has not necessarily been established in these outbreaks"

Of course pubs are not an essential service, and are a luxury, but these statistics must, nevertheless, make for uncomfortable reading for all the curtain twitchers and perpetual finger waggers who have been demonising the pubs from the start.

MOH · 09-10-2020 07:41AM

Allinall wrote: »

Like this?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678?mode=amp

That must be about the tenth time that's been linked in this thread.
For context, here's the official analysis of identified clusters and sources.

Total clusters: 4443, 492 in the last week.
Total in private homes: 3199, 395 in the past week.
Total in pubs: 10, 1 in the past week

It's actually getting worse - only 20% of the most recent cases have been traced back to an actual source.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Time to get real lads.

Pubs are not safe at the moment. They haven't been since march and won't be until we get this virus under control.

hmmm wrote: »

They're right. The idea that we can open pubs safely in the middle of a pandemic is unrealistic in my opinion. They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread.
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And again, 10 clusters attributed to pubs during the entire course of pandemic. Out of 4500.

Schools are back, a month? And there's 50.
And yes, clearly schools are far more necessary for pubs. But the incessant insistence on blaming pubs for everything while insisting schools are perfectly fine isn't remotely borne out by the numbers.

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 08:37AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

My mates just WhatsApped. Pub next door to him are doing takeaway pints this evening, so we’re all off to his house for after work pints. Delighted. Help the local economy and see all the lads and their missus’. Get a few platters from one of the local takeaways and it should be a great night.

Way to avoid clusters forming in private houses.......

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 08:38AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Way to avoid clusters forming in private houses.......

I'm 38, oldest in our group is 41. We'll be grand. If we were double our ages it might, perhaps, maybe, effect us.

09-10-2020 08:39AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

My mates just WhatsApped. Pub next door to him are doing takeaway pints this evening, so we’re all off to his house for after work pints. Delighted. Help the local economy and see all the lads and their missus’. Get a few platters from one of the local takeaways and it should be a great night.

Don’t forget the biggest thing you will be helping, helping the virus spread. Vile behaviour but expected. The sooner fines are introduced for this the sooner we have a hope of getting on top of this virus.

Could you jot just get a slab from the off-licence and relax at home like the majority of people (including myself) who enjoy a drink but are not ignorant virus spreaders.

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 08:50AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm 38, oldest in our group is 41. We'll be grand. If we were double our ages it might, perhaps, maybe, effect us.

You think you can't catch it and pass it on at 38?

09-10-2020 08:50AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm 38, oldest in our group is 41. We'll be grand. If we were double our ages it might, perhaps, maybe, effect us.

You are playing a dangerous game assuming you won’t be impacted by a dangerous virus but aside from that it’s not you getting sick anyone is worrying about it’s the contribution to the spread, the passing it to elderly or vulnerable, passing it to health care workers etc. You could very will be directly responsible for killing people by having your “essential” little meet up of shameful individuals. Throwing you and your ilk in cell wouldn’t be enough.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 08:55AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

You think you can't catch it and pass it on at 38?

I'm never around any vulnerable people. All grandparents are dead. Work all week, hang around with similarly aged pals at the weekend when people are free.

ShyMets · 09-10-2020 08:57AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

You are playing a dangerous game assuming you won’t be impacted by a dangerous virus but aside from that it’s not you getting sick anyone is worrying about it’s the contribution to the spread, the passing it to elderly or vulnerable, passing it to health care workers etc. You could very will be directly responsible for killing people by having your “essential” little meet up of shameful individuals. Throwing you and your ilk in cell wouldn’t be enough.

I haven't been on this forum much lately. But its good to see you're still throwing out wildly hysterical statements.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 08:57AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

You are playing a dangerous game assuming you won’t be impacted by a dangerous virus but aside from that it’s not you getting sick anyone is worrying about it’s the contribution to the spread, the passing it to elderly or vulnerable, passing it to health care workers etc. You could very will be directly responsible for killing people by having your “essential” little meet up of shameful individuals. Throwing you and your ilk in cell wouldn’t be enough.

Yes, this deadly virus that is killing less than 1/4 of a person a day for the past few months. More chance dying in a car crash on the way to be tested.

09-10-2020 08:57AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

Don’t forget the biggest thing you will be helping, helping the virus spread. Vile behaviour but expected. The sooner fines are introduced for this the sooner we have a hope of getting on top of this virus.

Could you jot just get a slab from the off-licence and relax at home like the majority of people (including myself) who enjoy a drink but are not ignorant virus spreaders.

Seriously whats your issue with pubs/hospitality section. There has only been one case reported from pubs,2 in cafes/restaurants and 0 from hotels in the last week.I have been in 2 of my locals before they were closed. Both pubs were set up well,no acting the bollox in either of them. Was talking to one of the owners the other night,they put thousands of euros in the making them safe. The woman says they dont think they will open again. The poor woman was nearly in tears. Livelihood going down the drain

FlubberJones · 09-10-2020 08:59AM

Strangely I've given in wanting to go to the boozer, now I simply would like the option and in fairness probably not bother. It's a shame that they're being hounded like this but they seem to the be the easiest target.
Now my concerns have shifted to keeping the gym open, 100% enjoying it at the moment and if they close... I know for certain my home drinking will increase, probably out of boredom / frustration.

dominatinMC · 09-10-2020 09:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously whats your issue with pubs/hospitality section. There has only been one case reported from pubs,2 in cafes/restaurants and 0 from hotels in the last week.I have been in 2 of my locals before they were closed. Both pubs were set up well,no acting the bollox in either of them. Was talking to one of the owners the other night,they put thousands of euros in the making them safe. The woman says they dont think they will open again. The poor woman was nearly in tears. Livelihood going down the drain

Not questioning the validity of your story, but didn't all pubs receive a start-up grant when they re-opened? All five pubs in my village did, think it was to the value of €5000. Might go some way to recupe those losses for that publican

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 09:04AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm never around any vulnerable people. All grandparents are dead. Work all week, hang around with similarly aged pals at the weekend when people are free.

And you can be sure that every person you come into contact with (and potentially infect) won't be around vulnerable people? And the people those people are around?

And you, and all of these people, wont need to go to the shops or venture outside at all and be around others?

I find this very hard to believe.

09-10-2020 09:09AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

And you can be sure that every person you come into contact with (and potentially infect) won't be around vulnerable people? And the people those people are around?

And you, and all of these people, wont need to go to the shops or venture outside at all and be around others?

I find this very hard to believe.

The lengths people will go to guilt-trip others on this is mental.

09-10-2020 09:12AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Not questioning the validity of your story, but didn't all pubs receive a start-up grant when they re-opened? All five pubs in my village did, think it was to the value of €5000. Might go some way to recupe those losses for that publican

Yeah i think they got a grant of 5000 euros but that isnt much when they have been closed for 6+ months. At lot of these pubs have bills,mortgages etc to pay so 5000 isnt much or the 350 euro a week they receive

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 09:14AM

AdamD wrote: »

The lengths people will go to guilt-trip others on this is mental.

It's not a guilt trip. It's simply pointing out the mechanics of how this thing is working.

We're in a thread about pubs not being able to open. They are unable to open because there are many outbreaks. People in this thread are saying "But the outbreaks aren't happening in pubs, they're happening in houses".

Fine, maybe that's the case.

But then we've got the people who want to go to the pub and are shouting and screaming about it openly admitting that they are the ones having these house parties. Throwing out excuses like "Well it's fine if I spread the virus because my grandparents are already dead".

The pubs are closed because of these people. They shout at the Govt. for closing the pubs but it's their fault. Its a circle of stupidity!

ShyMets · 09-10-2020 09:16AM

AdamD wrote: »

The lengths people will go to guilt-trip others on this is mental.

They are a few posters on this forum, who, if they had their way wouldn't allow you to step outside your door for the next few months

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 09:21AM

ShyMets wrote: »

They are a few posters on this forum, who, if they had their way wouldn't allow you to step outside your door for the next few months

I agree with this actually. Talk of putting people in jail for breaching the guidelines is way over the top.

What i'm saying is this. Pubs and businesses are closed because of the rise in cases and a small minority's selfishness in not wanting to pull their weight and help the rest of us. These people aren't wearing masks, they're gathering in town on "protests", they're having house parties left & right etc.

These are the ones keeping the businesses closed, including pubs.

Then they come onto Boards.ie shouting about how the pubs should be open. It's mind-boggling!

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 09:35AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

And you can be sure that every person you come into contact with (and potentially infect) won't be around vulnerable people? And the people those people are around?

And you, and all of these people, wont need to go to the shops or venture outside at all and be around others?

I find this very hard to believe.

They need to keep their 2m etc. so, don't they.

jackal · 09-10-2020 09:37AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

So, despite the howls of protest here, it's clear that other countries are imposing similar if not stronger restrictions on their hospitality sectors, for the same reasons as here, Covid is spiralling out of control in the areas that are being restricted.

Spain has introduced restrictions on drinking times.

Germany has limited drink access.

Czech republic has introduced limits

Belgium has restrictions

Estonia has a night time ban on alcohol sales

.

Do you live in opposite world, where stronger means weaker?

Most of these countries emergency covid restrictions are less restrictive than our normal alcohol sale regulations!

The restrictions come and go, so its near impossible to get an exhaustive list of what other countries have and have not done, at all times, but based off that article you linked:

* in England even under current restrictions supermarkets, shops, off licences can sell alcohol 24/7.
* None of the above restrictions have seen their pubs closed for anything more than a month (local brussels only restriction) vs our pubs closed nationwide since March, all summer long, and effectively closed again (max 15 outside, must have food) a couple of weeks after being allowed to open.
* None have blanket maximum numbers allowed regardless of the venue size.
* ALL have kept restaurants open at all times.

MrStuffins · 09-10-2020 09:38AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They need to keep their 2m etc. so, don't they.

But you won't. That's the problem!

They will try, but you will continue to break the guidelines and they will be the victims! In fact, we all will.

You're the reason the pubs are closed pal!

09-10-2020 09:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously whats your issue with pubs/hospitality section. There has only been one case reported from pubs,2 in cafes/restaurants and 0 from hotels in the last week.I have been in 2 of my locals before they were closed. Both pubs were set up well,no acting the bollox in either of them. Was talking to one of the owners the other night,they put thousands of euros in the making them safe. The woman says they dont think they will open again. The poor woman was nearly in tears. Livelihood going down the drain

This is not about a pub it’s a house gathering which is not allowed under current restrictions and for very good reason.

As for pubs of course they are high risk and really are not feasible to be open while trying to contain a pandemic, same goes for restaurants.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 09:54AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's not a guilt trip. It's simply pointing out the mechanics of how this thing is working.

We're in a thread about pubs not being able to open. They are unable to open because there are many outbreaks. People in this thread are saying "But the outbreaks aren't happening in pubs, they're happening in houses".

Fine, maybe that's the case.

But then we've got the people who want to go to the pub and are shouting and screaming about it openly admitting that they are the ones having these house parties. Throwing out excuses like "Well it's fine if I spread the virus because my grandparents are already dead".

The pubs are closed because of these people. They shout at the Govt. for closing the pubs but it's their fault. Its a circle of stupidity!

When the pubs were open we were able to go, have the craic at a table, having drinks delivered to us. This is no longer an option. SO we have to come up with our own plans. Hence the session in his house.

hynesie08 · 09-10-2020 09:55AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Not questioning the validity of your story, but didn't all pubs receive a start-up grant when they re-opened? All five pubs in my village did, think it was to the value of €5000. Might go some way to recupe those losses for that publican

If a pub did it properly, that 5k wouldn't even cover ppe and partitioning, it doesn't even put a dent in lost revenue, plus pint pubs in Dublin still aren't eligible for it....

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 09:59AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I agree with this actually. Talk of putting people in jail for breaching the guidelines is way over the top.

What i'm saying is this. Pubs and businesses are closed because of the rise in cases and a small minority's selfishness in not wanting to pull their weight and help the rest of us. These people aren't wearing masks, they're gathering in town on "protests", they're having house parties left & right etc.

These are the ones keeping the businesses closed, including pubs.

Then they come onto Boards.ie shouting about how the pubs should be open. It's mind-boggling!

We don't know if there is a rise in cases. We know there is a rise in people with the strain of bug in their system that we've never tested for before. If they are not getting sick from it, it's not a "case" of that disease.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 10:01AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

But you won't. That's the problem!

They will try, but you will continue to break the guidelines and they will be the victims! In fact, we all will.

You're the reason the pubs are closed pal!

I literally go to work, go home from work Mon-Fri

Saturday I'm either at home, or in a friends house.

Sunday, at home.

You're full of it. Why wouldn't I keep my 2m the very occasional time i'm in a shop?

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 10:02AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

This is not about a pub it’s a house gathering which is not allowed under current restrictions and for very good reason.

As for pubs of course they are high risk and really are not feasible to be open while trying to contain a pandemic, same goes for restaurants.

Care to show me the legislation stating that it is not allowed??

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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