Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

hetuzozaho · 08-10-2020 11:29PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

Yeah they would. Moaning and whining cause the pubs and our favourite brunch place is closed

normanoffside · 08-10-2020 11:30PM

Now that Dublin cases are going down and the rest of the country is going up, is it time to put up the borders around Dublin to keep the cluchies out?

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 11:31PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I know there is other threads. I wont be bullied into them however for not fitting in. Ive noticed that is your approach.

Were the healthy quarantined during TB?

Was socalising restricted?

Or have you deflected to argue a point I never made

Nobody bullying anyone

No. Yes .
Just don't be discussing stuff that is not relevant , this thread is about Covid not TB nor flu .
If you want to go off on a tangent , fine , but I am not going with you .

walshb · 08-10-2020 11:32PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Now that Dublin cases are going down and the rest of the country is going up, is it time to put up the borders around Dublin to keep the cluchies out?

Shouldn’t this always be the case?

Kiwi in IE · 08-10-2020 11:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nice to meet you! I’m actually Santa clause. If my username didn’t make that obvious.

I take it that you disagree with the post of mine you quoted? Not entirely confident in interpreting the meaning of your odd response, but I think disagreement is probably most likely? Care to elaborate or happy to leave it at the odd comments?

JP Liz V1 · 08-10-2020 11:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

I think they would be grateful to be alive

landofthetree · 08-10-2020 11:41PM

It's spread when a person with active TB disease in their lungs coughs or sneezes and someone else inhales the expelled droplets, which contain TB bacteria. Although TB is spread in a similar way to a cold or flu, it is not as contagious.

TB wasnt as contagious. Plus they actually had hospitals specially built for patients.

Bizarrely one man was in hospital for 7 years and counting with it as of 2006

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-last-man-in-the-tb-sanitorium-26409485.html#:~:text=Martin%20Lonergan%20from%20the%20village,population%20in%20the%20early%20Fifties.

What Username Guidelines · 08-10-2020 11:44PM

Operations report

171 in hospital (+16)
27 in ICU (no change)
17 Ventilated (+2)

Every adult hospital except Sligo has patients

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-08-october-2020.pdf

440Hertz · 08-10-2020 11:47PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Any chance your are getting directed to BBC.com rather than bbc.co.uk

Checked BBC.co.uk/news and there are over 20 mentions of COVID or COVID related stories.

Icyseanfitz · 09-10-2020 12:05AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Operations report

171 in hospital (+16)
27 in ICU (no change)
17 Ventilated (+2)

Every adult hospital except Sligo has patients

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-08-october-2020.pdf

Hospital numbers seems to have jumped?

bb1234567 · 09-10-2020 12:08AM

Astoundingly high deaths in Argentina, well on it's way to having the highest deaths per capita in the world it seems, 484 deaths today with no peak in sight at the moment and the country is already at 500 deaths per million

Like Brazil Argentina possesses some characteristics common to both developing and developed countries that put it at greater risk than most developing countries. Argentina has a pretty old population with a similar life expectancy to Europe, but with large slum populations and what would be considered high poverty levels in a developed country- almost 20% of Argentinians live in what the UN considers slums. Most south american countries are in the most vulnerable positions to the effects of covid for this reason

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.POP.SLUM.UR.ZS?locations=AR

mrslancaster · 09-10-2020 12:11AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Operations report

171 in hospital (+16)
27 in ICU (no change)
17 Ventilated (+2)

Every adult hospital except Sligo has patients

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-08-october-2020.pdf

Other medical procedures will be put on hold too apparently if the numbers increase significantly.

Probably a stupid idea but would it make sense or even be feasible to have dedicated hospitals around the country for covid patients (maybe some of the smaller private hospitals) and then the rest of the hospitals could get on with the normal operations and stuff they do all the time?

It would mean the staff in all the other hospitals wouldn't have to deal with covid patients on top of the normal medical things they work with.

CruelSummer · 09-10-2020 12:14AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Tax revenue has only been reduced by 2 % , business news today.
I know that is only so far but still as you are talking about revenue ?

Be careful with the economic figures being peddled. Our GDP is only going to fall slightly due to large multinationals here. However this has no bearing on our actual domestic economy & our pockets which will be one of the worst hit in the EU. I’m glad the multinationals are here as their presence is vital to our survival but the fact is large amounts of our GDP is from their exports and performance.
ESRI published a good article in relation to how the domestic economy will be affected:

www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/%3famp=1

FintanMcluskey · 09-10-2020 12:14AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ok sure. Lets go back though before we go forward though. 5 months and 2 weeks to be specific. I think your comments were dangerous and wholly inaccurate. I think they still are. Wonder what your real motive is?

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1311373126144389120?s=20

What an astoundingly immature debating tactic.

I wont participate, but you did suggest early on 1 in 2 people would need hospital treatment. Its in your history, I wont post it though, I do have some decorum of debate of which you are the nadir.

Incidentally, my post is not innaccurate, its just you cant calculate the excess death rate without someone doing it for you.

FintanMcluskey · 09-10-2020 12:17AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Be careful with the economic figures being peddled. Our GDP is only going to fall slightly due to large multinationals here. However this has no bearing on our actual domestic economy & our pockets which will be one of the worst hit in the EU. I’m glad the multinationals are here as their presence is vital to our survival but the fact is large amounts of our GDP is from their exports and performance.
ESRI published a good article in relation to how the domestic economy will be affected:

www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/%3famp=1

Doesnt Ireland have one of the greatest job losses and losses in GNP of Europe?

Kermit.de.frog · 09-10-2020 12:25AM

Turning to the southern hemisphere, most of which continues to suffer massive consequences coming out of winter.

Argentina suffered a record case toll yesterday - today nearly matched it at 15,485 new cases in the last 24hrs.

484 deaths in the last 24 hours.

This is Europe's fate during our winter. The situation is grim.

FintanMcluskey · 09-10-2020 12:32AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turning to the southern hemisphere, most of which continues to suffer massive consequences coming out of winter.

Argentina suffered a record case toll yesterday - today nearly matched it at 15,485 new cases in the last 24hrs.

484 deaths in the last 24 hours.

This is Europe's fate during our winter. The situation is grim.

What exactly is Europes fate?

spookwoman · 09-10-2020 12:35AM

Kermit.de.frog · 09-10-2020 12:41AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What exactly is Europes fate?

Massive and exponential increase in cases which has already started - surge in hospitalisations then a surge in critical care usage, overwhelming of health systems due to combination of winter illnesses and covid.

This can't be avoided.

In the United States 32 states now have cases accelerating and the most acute surges are in the northern states. Canada is seeing record case numbers as well.

The seasonal risks have not been discussed remotely enough throughout this although the CDC has been blue in the face warning about Autumn, Winter and Spring surge. This has not been reported as much in the media as it should have been.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 12:42AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Be careful with the economic figures being peddled. Our GDP is only going to fall slightly due to large multinationals here. However this has no bearing on our actual domestic economy & our pockets which will be one of the worst hit in the EU. I’m glad the multinationals are here as their presence is vital to our survival but the fact is large amounts of our GDP is from their exports and performance.
ESRI published a good article in relation to how the domestic economy will be affected:

www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/%3famp=1

Yes I know , thanks CS .
Your link isn't working btw .
Irish Times today carried a similar story judging by the headline .
However that op and I were talking about revenue , which is only down 2 % I commented .
I don't know why but I don't think multinationals pay a whole lot of tax here anyhow , but could be that a lot of the people wfh are still pumping it in to the economy ?
Somebody on business news mentioned that a lot of the joblosses were parttime work / lower paid jobs which were not affecting revenue so much .

A lot of jobs lost with hospitality and retail and we are not any where near the end of this yet .
I am waiting to hear if someone mentions how sorry they are for landlords of shops and office buildings who now may have to diversify and house the homeless to make their money back ....

FintanMcluskey · 09-10-2020 12:42AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Any chance this could be compared to peak?

It essentially the minimum vs now!

Maximum vs now would be interesting

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 12:43AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Hospital numbers seems to have jumped?

120 average a week ago , now 171 .

440Hertz · 09-10-2020 12:45AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Operations report

171 in hospital (+16)
27 in ICU (no change)
17 Ventilated (+2)

Every adult hospital except Sligo has patients

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-08-october-2020.pdf

Am I getting that right? There are currently only 4 general beds and no critical beds at all in Cork City ?!

1 general bed in CUH (which has ~800 beds) and 3 in the Mercy (has around 300-400 bed capacity), and no critical care beds in public hospitals in the city at all!?

Seems insane for the population.

How the hell are we running a health care system like this!? There isn't even much COVID load on those hospitals at the moment and they're out of capacity.

Seems we have been lashing money into the NCH and starving the exiting hospitals of capacity.

Arghus · 09-10-2020 12:47AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Any chance this could be compared to peak?

It essentially the minimum vs now!

Maximum vs now would be interesting

The maximum was just under 900 back in April.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 12:53AM

mrslancaster wrote: »

Other medical procedures will be put on hold too apparently if the numbers increase significantly.

Probably a stupid idea but would it make sense or even be feasible to have dedicated hospitals around the country for covid patients (maybe some of the smaller private hospitals) and then the rest of the hospitals could get on with the normal operations and stuff they do all the time?

It would mean the staff in all the other hospitals wouldn't have to deal with covid patients on top of the normal medical things they work with.

Patients with Covid are very sick if hospitalised.
Most private hospitals would be better at looking after non Covid care / non urgent as they would not be set up to care for medical emergencies from staffing equipment , rooms , or labs .
Big difference doing one speciality very well in all these areas to dealing with patients with a myriad of health problems and complications that this virus brings .
HSE are negotiating an extension of NTPF like contract where various private hospitals will take on certain specialities in general medical care and deal with them eg public cardiac care in the Mater Private .
Hopefully it will be done better this time if needed and less services affected .

marno21 · 09-10-2020 12:54AM

440Hertz wrote: »

How the hell are we running a health care system like this!? There isn't even much COVID load on those hospitals at the moment and they're out of capacity.

It's effectively a fly by night operation. And the general public has been reasonably accepting of it being ready to collapse at the best of times. Now we see what happens when you introduce a black swan event into the mix.

bb1234567 · 09-10-2020 12:56AM

Arghus wrote: »

The maximum was just under 900 back in April.

Wow really? I thought it was 500

How does the figure of 900 compare with a peak in a flu season does anyone know?

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 12:58AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Remarkably stable and slow climb until mid September there .
Then it really takes off !

440Hertz · 09-10-2020 01:00AM

marno21 wrote: »

It's effectively a fly by night operation. And the general public has been reasonably accepting of it being ready to collapse at the best of times. Now we see what happens when you introduce a black swan event into the mix.

Yeah it's been in perma-crisis for as long as I have been alive.

I brought Dublin based elderly relative of mine to an A&E in the Mater one afternoon last year after a fall and we got seen at about 4am and it was pure chaos waiting.

She's in her mid 80s, immune suppressed and has cancer which has impacted her bones so has back problems and so on, but is very sprightly. We were put into a waiting area where this junky kept harassing everyone and ripping his drip out every 10 mins spraying IV line fluid all over the floor as he had to keep going out for a smoke.

Then we'd a woman faking seizures on the ground to get drugs!

We felt extremely unsafe as the night progressed and people got rougher. Also she was put right next to a guy who seemed to have some kind of fever, which I thought was absolutely insane stuff.

Then eventually I had to give up my seat entirely as there were patients who needed them, so I spent 5 hours sitting on the floor. They didn't even have a stackable chair I could use.

There was no source of food, no coffee / tea, nothing. Couldn't even realistically get to a vending machine.

Absolute disgrace of a system.

How the hell this system will cope in a serious crisis is beyond me. It only barely survived earlier this year as things didn't get that extreme and the decks had been somehow cleared.

I just have a REALLY bad feeling about what's coming this winter and we are going to pay dearly for failing to invest in essential healthcare capacity over the last 30+ years.

Away With The Fairies · 09-10-2020 01:01AM

I'm not feeling good about this second wave

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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