Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 10:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We are much smarter today in statistics, medicine and the sciences. We have social media everywhere so people know the risks and the word gets around.
Back then they didn't know these things.

You can't say toughen up in one post and then make excuses in another post. Why dont they toughen up now.

tobefrank321 · 08-10-2020 10:34PM

plodder wrote: »

Have to say these two charts indicate to me that the current measures appear to be working in Dublin so the same measures should work in the rest of the country. And the suggestion for level 5 was completely misguided. Shows daily cases by date.

Source is wikipedia (as the government statistics sites are completely useless)

Exactly.

And the fact NPHET want to move to Level 5 without even giving Level 3 a chance shows how incompetent they are.

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 10:35PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Exactly.

And the fact NPHET want to move to Level 5 without even giving Level 3 a chance shows how incompetent they are.

It will be too funny if Nphet got it wrong

08-10-2020 10:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's many unbelievably impatient, grandiose imbeciles in this country nowadays.
I've lived through tough financial times as a child and as an adult where you had very little money. As an adult there was no pub because we couldn't afford to waste money, no sweets as a child during those times because my parents couldn't afford it.
Thing is that whatever little you did get those times was remembered and much enjoyed.
Nowadays if you say no to some of these brats they look at you like you cannot use that word.
It's time they all learned to toughen up, keep the head down and do what they are told. Get through this thing and then enjoy life again.
It's not like they've had miserable lives, they have had first world problems only. This is a first world problem too, if everybody works together and does the right thing until a vaccine arrives then it's over.

Not having a job or losing your business is a first world problem?

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 10:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive spoken to people of that generation in Ireland.

Not one of them remember this reaction to TB, or certainly the abstained socialising, the dance halls stayed open and the young danced in them.

Cant figure it out tbh

I don't know who the hell you are talking to , Fintan . Maybe they can't remember so well now if I am being charitable here .

I know about TB .
Two uncles of mine were forcibly taken by police to a sanitorium / converted workhouse asylum where they were forced to stay for 1 to 2 years and forcibly given medication .
No choice , no way out , had to sleep on outside pavilions or big wards with all the windows and doors open .
There was emergency public health legislation at the time
My parents told me as well as my aunts .
We have also plenty of historical data about it , just go online .
You don't even have to go to a library anymore so no excuse .

Santy2015 · 08-10-2020 10:39PM

iguana wrote: »

RTE have the Homeschool Hub teachers back from Monday, this time doing "Afterschool Hub" which is meant to be an alternative to kids' normal after school activities. I wonder if there isn't at least a degree of thinking here that schools may not last as they are through the winter.

I watched that just for one of the teachers Clíona Ní Chiosáin... she’s pure daycent!!!

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 10:39PM

The thoughts of the school maybe closing is too much. However I'm confident that it won't come to that. Imo what has led to the big increases recently has been a combination of the schools, GAA club celebrations, communions/confirmations, pubs and a general relaxation of people's attitudes. All bar the schools should now be stopped and Dublin has been able to stabilise with Level 3.

08-10-2020 10:40PM

Just seen this miss from public health England. I am imagining all the hours wasted in health services around this world fiddling with excel, when a simple SQL or oracle database with a web based front end could be put together rather simply without any of the hassle.

It does seem to me from the outputs we get from hse etc that our data management is not so rudimentary, even if we all aren’t happy a lot of the time with what is publicly available

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1008/1170186-microsoft-excel-covid-cases-uk-government-mistakes/

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 10:40PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry Caveat . I have to disagree here with you .
That slight warming of the map was a few weeks after hotels and restaurants opened up and then food pubs .
A lot of reported partying in July and people getting together and general mixing going on .
That is just what happens and then yes, some people going away on holidays and schools opening .
Sure it is all happy days for this virus .

I'm not saying anything other than it seems plausible. Who knows. Numbers went up in august but was incubated before. Getting down to such a low level then going on holidays probably wasn't the best bet. You can see it's spread to every age group now. Protecting the vulnerable is not possible.

Jim_Hodge · 08-10-2020 10:41PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't know who the hell you are talking to , Fintan . Maybe they can't remember so well now if I am being charitable here .

I know about TB .
Two uncles of mine were forcibly taken by police to a sanitorium / converted workhouse asylum where they were forced to stay for 1 to 2 years and forcibly given medication .
No choice , no way out , had to sleep on outside pavilions or big wards with all the windows and doors open .
There was emergency public health legislation at the time
My parents told me as well as my aunts .
We have also plenty of historical data about it , just go online .
You don't even have to go to a library anymore so no excuse .

Same here. I lost three uncles and an aunt to TB and a couple of other uncles, having each spent years in a sanitorium, had serious health issues all their lives as a result.

Spanish Eyes · 08-10-2020 10:41PM

TBH as long as the outbreaks are in working class areas, NO ONE will give a sht.

Tell me different.

odyssey06 · 08-10-2020 10:43PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your missing the point, while trying to make it with emotional posting.
The young back then didnt care, and they probably dont now.
Im sure there is some survival instinct that means you aren't afraid of something that's relatively harmless to you.
If not I imagine humans would be long extinct

Its not emotional at all.
It shows the blinkers you have on with a selective sample.
Ask the dead.
Ask the maimed.

The young also rushed to sign up for WW1. So whats your point exactly?
Where was their survival instinct?

TB wasnt relatively harmless to them was it though. Or AIDs.

Given the state of public health back then probably a seize the day attitude was to be expected.
Life was a lot cheaper back then.
People worked in coal mines, with asbestos, smoked constantly.

Look at the number of people employed now in public health roles v back then if you want to know why this is being trested so different by society and politicians.

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 10:43PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't know who the hell you are talking to , Fintan . Maybe they can't remember so well now if I am being charitable here .

I know about TB .
Two uncles of mine were forcibly taken by police to a sanitorium / converted workhouse asylum where they were forced to stay for 1 to 2 years and forcibly given medication .
No choice , no way out , had to sleep on outside pavilions or big wards with all the windows and doors open .
There was emergency public health legislation at the time
My parents told me as well as my aunts .
We have also plenty of historical data about it , just go online .
You don't even have to go to a library anymore so no excuse .

Are you telling me ....They quarantined the sick, not the healthy????????

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 10:43PM

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 10:44PM

titan18 wrote: »

Its South Central. South Central goes up to Sundays well before going north west.

Closer to UCC and marydke, dividing line to South West is by Victorias Cross. When you go back towards the Lough, it cuts in magazine road. Can think of Centra on denroches cross as the dividing line on Bandon road/magazine road. At the Lough, Lough is South Central. Hawthorn bar and hartlands avenue is South West.

Thanks .
I can see them all now , the streets of my youth

Wouldn't have been much interested in voting districts then .
But remember all the pubs ..now if you said from pub to pub

I suppose that is why South Central is the highest then ?

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 10:46PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The young also rushed to sign up for WW1. So whats your point exactly?
Where was their survival instinct?

TB wasnt relatively harmless to them was it though. Or AIDs.

Given the state of public health back then probably a seize the day attitude was to be expected.
Life was a lot cheaper back then.
People worked in coal mines, with asbestos, smoked constantly.

Look at the number of people employed now in public health roles v back then if you want to know why this is being trested so different by society and politicians.

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

Ive quoted these two posts together as they fit perfectly and prove a point.

The young signed up for ww1 as they weren't afraid.

08-10-2020 10:46PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Exactly.

And the fact NPHET want to move to Level 5 without even giving Level 3 a chance shows how incompetent they are.

A little bit of me thinks Tony got a look at the data and saw the flattening trend and thought to himself, “hmm, 4 weeks of lock down now would make me look like a hero again with the way numbers are trending in Dublin following l3”. I dont believe that he is that way inclined, but if someone was...

odyssey06 · 08-10-2020 10:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive quoted these two posts together as they fit perfectly and prove a point.
The young signed up for ww1 as they weren't afraid.

And that worked out well didnt it.
Ask the dead if they were afraid before they died.

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 10:48PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

But what about the mental health. One minute everyone says you are a pussy, the next you need to look after your mental health .

khalessi · 08-10-2020 10:49PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive quoted these two posts together as they fit perfectly and prove a point.

The young signed up for ww1 as they weren't afraid.

No, they weren't afraid it was considered a jolly jaunt that would be over by Christmas. They soon learned different.

The young carry a feeling of immortality with them, we have all gone through it, it is only in hindsight as we age we see the dangers.

Spanish Eyes · 08-10-2020 10:50PM

This is our lives for the foreseeable. Have to adapt now

MerlinSouthDub · 08-10-2020 10:50PM

Just looking at COVID numbers in Dublin hospitals over past couple of weeks. I think I have the numbers right:

7/10: 77 in Dublin hospitals
30/9: 74 in Dublin hospitals
23/9: 55 in Dublin hospitals

Just supports the idea that Dublin case numbers have stabilised.

08-10-2020 10:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

Before this happened I never realised just how little I socialised

Makes it easier i guess, but also makes it hard to understand why people can't stay home

Surely then you realise that if you didn't socialise much before, this hasn't affected you as much as others and therefore isn't as difficult for you. It is difficult for others, whose lives were based around social activities.

JJayoo · 08-10-2020 10:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive quoted these two posts together as they fit perfectly and prove a point.

The young signed up for ww1 as they weren't afraid.

They signed up because they hadn't a fcuking clue what they were signing up for

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 10:51PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Exactly.

And the fact NPHET want to move to Level 5 without even giving Level 3 a chance shows how incompetent they are.

So black and white .
This guy is the only one to listen to , someone else is a fool or an incompetent ?

They are being cautious because of capacity in the health services , which as you can see this week has not only been pumped up to the government by the HSE chief apparently, but is not there at all in terms if staffing .
Great if level 3 works .
But it is a very penal situation if it doesn't .

Polar101 · 08-10-2020 10:51PM

plodder wrote: »

Have to say these two charts indicate to me that the current measures appear to be working in Dublin so the same measures should work in the rest of the country. And the suggestion for level 5 was completely misguided. Shows daily cases by date.

Just wondering if the case backlogs are mostly in Dublin.. would make sense since it's the county with the highest amount of cases. The growth rate in Dublin seems to be slowing, but would be nice to see a decrease soon.

But you'd think if the restrictions work in Dublin, then they'll work elsewhere, and probably faster.

davemckenna25 · 08-10-2020 10:51PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man is right on the tonight show, we have turned into a nation of pussies, terrified of everything. Our grandparents would be embarrassed at how soft we have become.

You're dead right. Imagine people giving out because they can't go to the pub for a pint or whinging about wearing masks, complaining because they are being asked to put the health of the nation before their own comforts...... I fully agree with you...... pussies the lot of them.

FintanMcluskey · 08-10-2020 10:52PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

And that worked out well didnt it.
Ask the dead if they were afraid before they died.

The only differnce now is that the chance of death for those under 65 is minimal.

So if they were afraid at 18-20 of something like this humans woukd be extinct rather fast.

Eternal life wont be granted I'm afraid

Kiwi in IE · 08-10-2020 10:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's many unbelievably impatient, grandiose imbeciles in this country nowadays.
I've lived through tough financial times as a child and as an adult where you had very little money. As an adult there was no pub because we couldn't afford to waste money, no sweets as a child during those times because my parents couldn't afford it.
Thing is that whatever little you did get those times was remembered and much enjoyed.
Nowadays if you say no to some of these brats they look at you like you cannot use that word.
It's time they all learned to toughen up, keep the head down and do what they are told. Get through this thing and then enjoy life again.
It's not like they've had miserable lives, they have had first world problems only. This is a first world problem too, if everybody works together and does the right thing until a vaccine arrives then it's over.

This post is reminceent of ‘I had to walk to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways’. And a vaccine does not ‘arrive’. A vaccine needs first development, and then rigorous testing to ensure both immediate and long term safety. You ok with the economy crashing and there being no revenue available to fund the health system and social services while we wait for that?

boggerman1 · 08-10-2020 10:55PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This is our lives for the foreseeable. Have to adapt now

Why should we have to accept this suspended animation of an existence.when the money runs out we will snap back to normality and not this new bs

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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