Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 06:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You could apply that scenario to any situation though, shopping in supermarket, pharmacy, any retail. Any work place any school. Is there any scenario where people meet you can't apply it to.

Folks be wearing masks in those other scenarios.

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 06:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It also seems to be an Irish personality thing too. I think a significant percentage of Irish people enjoy a noisy crowded atmosphere, quite apart from the alcohol, and close-in together given the opportunity. Personally I am quite the opposite, I love a chat but in a quiet atmosphere with a small number of people. However I gave not indulged in that in months really because a lot of folk I would know are vulnerable.

Same here.
Miss it , and will be glad when we can go back to it safely , whenever that is .

MarkY91 · 08-10-2020 06:30PM

Is there any stats out there showing NI alone versus other countries? Surely is up there with the worst at this stage considering their tiny population?

Time to close the border?

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 06:32PM

giveitholly wrote: »

You didn't like what you were seeing but you still stayed there,so you were part of the problem,Everyone else not behaving except yourself!!!!

I never said I wasn't part of the problem. The problem is pubs lead to a social environment where this virus spreads easily. I will say that it was enough for me to stay away until we are over this thing unlike others who are happy to go to multiple bars or other going who have serious health conditions

c.p.w.g.w · 08-10-2020 06:32PM

would scheduled be a better word that elective for surgeries

manofwisdom · 08-10-2020 06:33PM

Some progress have been seen in Dublin. The last seven day average for Dublin is 151 cases per day compared to 168 cases per day this time last week.

podgeandrodge · 08-10-2020 06:34PM

So Paul Reid on RTE now. All about ICU bed capacity. In effect, all the restrictions are down to insufficient capacity which Govt has had 7 months to improve on. I know that's a bit simplistic, but it feels like that to me now.

hmmm · 08-10-2020 06:34PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's hilarious how we are all saying. "Isn't it great that level 3 seems to be working"
Instead of saying why the fvck did we open the pubs.

That decision made no sense. We knew from international experience that pubs could very easily become the source of major clusters, yet we had politicians over here saying "show us the evidence it spreads in pubs" as if the virus we have is different.

It seems to be very simple how it spreads fast. Places that are indoors, with poor ventilation, and people close together (particularly where they are talking or singing).

We'd have saved the country a fortune in testing and restrictions by bailing out the industry, which we should have done originally.

martingriff · 08-10-2020 06:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, the pubs are entirely accountable for the numerous clusters of Covid-19 cases in schools. Punish small business owners and protect public servants at all costs.

The public servants are the reason for the cases!!!!!!!!! The reasons for the cases are many it is not just 1 it is college students, it is pubs, I am sure there is some due to schools, meat plants, people going back into offices lets not just blame 1 group of people here

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 06:35PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess people don't usually spend up to 2 hours in the one supermarket, pharmacies or retail that much these days. Plus the inhibition of alcohol

People don't spend 2 hours going to the toilet either as per the original post

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 06:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

None of the schools brigade have managed to stumble on the one valid argument there is that schools are causing the current case load. It is clear that the increased rate of cases existed before the schools opened, therefore is not driving the increase. It could be argued though that in the absence of schools opening, cases may have stabilised or even fallen as people went from huge mixing in August to normal Autumn behaviour with lower levels of mixing. This is likely why schools did not result in an increase in case growth rate. The increase in contacts due to schools was offset elsewhere. The argument against that is that if schools had not gone back, the level of mixing nationwide would likely have continued at august levels, and it was the return off schools itself that caused the offset, and was overall a net neutral contributor to growth.

I don't know what exactly you mean by " the schools brigade " , but .....
One of the upshot of schools being opened and kids getting tested is the amount of healthcare workers that now have to stay at home and quarantine when their child has been a contact and is being tested .
By the way, this has to be taken as annual leave or unpaid leave because unless you are being tested yourself you are not entitled to Covid leave .
This would account for some of the hcws on leave because of Covid as mentioned today in HSE briefing . 1000 atm .

gmisk · 08-10-2020 06:36PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Dublin doing well, Donegal worse. Pubs open in Donegal but not in Dublin - mad.

Are pubs open in donegal?!?!
I am guessing for outdoor drinking only?

I went to a local place in dublin called rascals it is a brewery but does pizzas.
They have a really nice spaced out outside area for drinks and food limited numbers and you book in online. Really recommend it.
But it didn't half get freezing at about 8pm! Outside dining not really suited to ireland most of the year!

Necro · 08-10-2020 06:36PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So Paul Reid on RTE now. All about ICU bed capacity. In effect, all the restrictions are down to insufficient capacity which Govt has had 7 months to improve on. I know that's a bit simplistic, but it feels like that to me now.

Thing is though, you can't just fire a rake of ICU beds into a room and say it will be grand. It's more a staffing problem from what I've read, ICU staff need specialist training, and you can't really take shortcuts on that.

08-10-2020 06:37PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Same here.
Miss it , and will be glad when we can go back to it safely , whenever that is .

I would love to have a simple coffee with my old colleague but she is in an extremely high risk category, just cannot happen

stephenjmcd · 08-10-2020 06:37PM

gmisk wrote: »

Are pubs open in donegal?!?!
I am guessing for outdoor drinking only?

I went to a local place in dublin called rascals it is a brewery but does pizzas.
They have a really nice spaced out outside area for drinks and food limited numbers and you book in online. Really recommend it.
But it didn't half get freezing at about 8pm! Outside dining not really suited to ireland most of the year!

Yeah outside of Dublin they can do 15 outside any pubs but in Dublin the €9 meal still stands

martingriff · 08-10-2020 06:37PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You could apply that scenario to any situation though, shopping in supermarket, pharmacy, any retail. Any work place any school. Is there any scenario where people meet you can't apply it to.

In those places though people should be wearing a mask I doubt people in pubs would be putting 1 on just to go the toilet

Ohmeha · 08-10-2020 06:38PM

Dublin LEA 14 day numbers up now from 22th September to 5th October

LEA Date Range Cases Increase LEA per 100k ROI per 100k Population
KIMMAGE-RATHMINES LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 171 8.23% 306.1 116.4 55,861
BALLYFERMOT-DRIMNAGH LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 113 32.94% 245.3 116.4 46,068
ONGAR LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 80 29.03% 223.3 116.4 35,384
NORTH INNER CITY LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 141 22.61% 221.7 116.4 63,612
SWORDS LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 105 19.32% 204.4 116.4 51,370
LUCAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 63 14.55% 188.5 116.4 33,421
CLONDALKIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 87 -6.45% 187.0 116.4 46,520
BALLYMUN-FINGLAS LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 97 -34.90% 176.3 116.4 55,010
CABRA-GLASNEVIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 97 -34.90% 176.3 116.4 58,652
BLANCHARDSTOWN-MULHUDDART LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 61 27.08% 172.8 116.4 35,307
ARTANE-WHITEHALL LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 88 22.22% 172.0 116.4 51,156
SOUTH EAST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 69 0.00% 169.9 116.4 40,603
DONAGHMEDE LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 69 -2.82% 165.9 116.4 41,593
TALLAGHT SOUTH LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 56 -12.50% 157.9 116.4 35,465
HOWTH-MALAHIDE LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 86 3.61% 153.2 116.4 56,139
SOUTH WEST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 64 -20.00% 151.1 116.4 42,344
CASTLEKNOCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 65 18.18% 140.9 116.4 46,126
CLONTARF LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 73 -12.05% 134.7 116.4 54,182
TALLAGHT CENTRAL LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 58 -1.69% 134.2 116.4 43,215
PALMERSTOWN-FONTHILL LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 48 -31.43% 126.2 116.4 38,035
DUNDRUM LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 47 42.42% 125.5 116.4 37,452
RATHFARNHAM-TEMPLEOGUE LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 47 -38.96% 125.5 116.4 47,909
DÚN LAOGHAIRE LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 52 40.54% 124.9 116.4 41,627
STILLORGAN LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 37 12.12% 121.3 116.4 30,508
GLENCULLEN-SANDYFORD LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 44 10.00% 120.1 116.4 36,622
KILLINEY-SHANKILL LEA-7, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 44 69.23% 115.5 116.4 38,082
RUSH-LUSK LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 39 -25.00% 112.5 116.4 34,674
FIRHOUSE-BOHERNABREENA LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 34 25.93% 99.4 116.4 34,202
PEMBROKE LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 37 42.31% 81.4 116.4 45,473
BLACKROCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 26 18.18% 77.1 116.4 33,727
BALBRIGGAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 22/09/20 to 05/10/20 28 -42.86% 76.6 116.4 36,570

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-10-2020 06:38PM

I loved the description from one of the foreign scientists recently.

People with drink on them have a habit of making bad decisions. They might be violent or sleep with the wrong people or even worse they might hug their friends and risk spreading infection.

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 06:38PM

Pubs should be allowed to operate as off-licences when they are not allowed to open. It could be difference between some of them surviving through this. I'd rather pop to my local pub to buy a 6 pack than go to a supermarket. The supermarket will still be there when this is over, the pub may not be.

martingriff · 08-10-2020 06:39PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's hilarious how we are all saying. "Isn't it great that level 3 seems to be working"
Instead of saying why the fvck did we open the pubs.

Because most people are thinking it is just not pubs. Cases were going way high well before pubs.

Seamai · 08-10-2020 06:39PM

Where can I find the LEA figures for county Cork?

hynesie08 · 08-10-2020 06:39PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Pubs should be allowed to operate as off-licences when they are not allowed to open. It could be difference between some of them surviving through this. I'd rather pop to my local pub to buy a 6 pack than go to a supermarket. The supermarket will still be there when this is over, the pub may not be.

They are, loads of them are doing it. They just cant match the supermarkets for price......

JP Liz V1 · 08-10-2020 06:40PM

Veda Purring Whirlwind wrote: »

Maybe shutting the pubs down so long will change Irish people's relationship with alcohol

I'd say more are even dependent on it now

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 06:41PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Folks be wearing masks in those other scenarios.

Ya that is true in fairness.

niallo27 · 08-10-2020 06:42PM

martingriff wrote: »

In those places though people should be wearing a mask I doubt people in pubs would be putting 1 on just to go the toilet

Any pubs i have been to its mandatory in fairness.

JP Liz V1 · 08-10-2020 06:42PM

Seamai wrote: »

Where can I find the LEA figures for county Cork?

ACE is very good with this taken from gov.ie hub covid

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 06:44PM

hmmm wrote: »

That decision made no sense. We knew from international experience that pubs could very easily become the source of major clusters, yet we had politicians over here saying "show us the evidence it spreads in pubs" as if the virus we have is different.

It seems to be very simple how it spreads fast. Places that are indoors, with poor ventilation, and people close together (particularly where they are talking or singing).

We'd have saved the country a fortune in testing and restrictions by bailing out the industry, which we should have done originally.

Problem was that despite evidence a lot of other countries in Europe still had their pubs open , which made it difficult for this government to stand up against the lobby groups , especially when the whole pub restaurant thing was being mooted .
It is obviously a spreader , but so are schools , so choices were made , politically.

08-10-2020 06:44PM

martingriff wrote: »

The public servants are the reason for the cases!!!!!!!!! The reasons for the cases are many it is not just 1 it is college students, it is pubs, I am sure there is some due to schools, meat plants, people going back into offices lets not just blame 1 group of people here

Wtf?

castletownman · 08-10-2020 06:45PM

Got word this evening that a woman that was in our local on Sunday has since tested positive and I am booked in for a test tomorrow evening.

I couldn't sleep too well last night despite being drowsy, and have had a runny nose the last couple of days that I attribute to getting the touch of head cold at a match at the weekend.

Great

gmisk · 08-10-2020 06:47PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Is there any stats out there showing NI alone versus other countries? Surely is up there with the worst at this stage considering their tiny population?

Time to close the border?

Close the border? Lol

Good luck with that

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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