Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

normanoffside · 08-10-2020 05:18PM

pauldry wrote: »

Ireland will be over 40,000 cumulative cases by 630pm today.

Sobering:(

Detected cases. Reality is 10 times that or more.

MerlinSouthDub · 08-10-2020 05:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1314228620198584320?s=20

Great to get data on this. So the positivity rate in children/parents is lower than the rest of the population.

But we'll still have posters telling us:
- they're hiding the data
- they're not testing children
- schools are driving the infection rates.

Data, people, data, let's base our opinions on the data

fritzelly · 08-10-2020 05:19PM

quokula wrote: »

If this is true then surely it's resignation material.

Again? LOL
If he does it will really show up this government

BorneTobyWilde · 08-10-2020 05:20PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Partied... change the days and you will see a change in behaviour.

Plus as a student Thursday night was party night.
And what about all the people without jobs.

Curfew ala Melbourne would be more effective.

A few people breaking rules is way better than '' open for everyone weekends''

I think shutting whole country down Friday at 10pm and opening Monday at 6am would be a huge blow to Covids ability to spread.

normanoffside · 08-10-2020 05:20PM

Boggles wrote: »

5-14 year olds

March to August 27th (schools opened) - 549 confirmed cases

August 28th to to October 5th - 804 confirmed cases

We have gone from 3 kids a day in that age bracket testing positive to 21 since the schools opened.

Kids really weren’t being tested in March-August unless they were really sick.

Since schools have gone back kids are being tested for every sniffle and the positivity rate in school kids is about 0.5% whiles it’s more like 4% in the general population.

Messi19 · 08-10-2020 05:20PM

Say for example, a kid comes home from school after contracting covid but is asymptomatic, mammy or daddy then develop symptoms and test positive. They've been out as usual to work/shops/pub etc. Kid continues to show no symptoms so mammy or daddy are left wondering where or how they've contracted the virus. So how do we class that in terms of the spread? All hypothetical of course

political analyst · 08-10-2020 05:21PM

Did victory celebrations after GAA county finals cause the surge of Covid cases?

odyssey06 · 08-10-2020 05:22PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

A few people breaking rules is way better than '' open for everyone weekends''

I think shutting whole country down Friday at 10pm and opening Monday at 6am would be a huge blow to Covids ability to spread.

Then shut it down 10pm to 6am every day or thursday to sunday?

Dempo1 · 08-10-2020 05:23PM

England getting hammered again, I saw a scary detail esrlier, 77 deaths after 28 days of diagnosis, just appalling and whatever about the HSE, the NHS I believe is excellent. Can't get my head around what's happening in the North, unbelievable high numbers of new cases.

stephenjmcd · 08-10-2020 05:24PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784?s=19

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 05:24PM

That green list didn't last long

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 05:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784?s=19

Pot calling kettle black......

08-10-2020 05:25PM

This morning I was in a store in Dundrum SC, and at the check-out the assistant, aged perhaps 57-63, was commenting that Tony Holohan has got it wrong trying to lock us down, and that "all the ones at risk should be keeping in their homes". I asked her directly "Do you imagine you it I are at any risk?" (I'm 59) and she replied "not at all, we're not at risk". That nearly boiled my blood and I retorted "well with the amount of weight we carry, we ought to be a little concerned about our level of risk". She was stunned.

It's not the kind of thing I have ever said before (although I am otherwise outspoken), so honestly I won't be engaging in casual conversation as I'm proving myself potentially obnoxious in these arguments.

I think seeing the lack of mask got me riled in the first place

It's a horribly divisive auld pandemic, not bringing out the best in me, and like everyone I'm getting utterly fed up with the restricted life

Golfman64 · 08-10-2020 05:26PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That green list didn't last long

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784

The EU Traffic Light Travel System due to come in next week so the original concept of the 'Green List' will be replaced by an entirely new travel strategy EU wide aimed at enabling more seamless and safe travel to aid economic recovery.

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 05:28PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

The EU Traffic Light Travel System due to come in next week so the original concept of the 'Green List' will be replaced by an entirely new travel strategy EU wide aimed at enabling more seamless and safe travel to aid economic recovery.

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 05:29PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

The EU Traffic Light Travel System due to come in next week so the original concept of the 'Green List' will be replaced by an entirely new travel strategy EU wide aimed at enabling more seamless and safe travel to aid economic recovery.

Will be interesting to see if EU system has higher threshold for case incidence per 100,000.

AlphaDelta1 · 08-10-2020 05:30PM

Hope numbers come down a little today. We can't afford to have the health service over run and need our economy back open.

hmmm · 08-10-2020 05:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a horribly divisive auld pandemic, not bringing out the best in me, and like everyone I'm getting utterly fed up with the restricted life

People are ignorant about what "at risk" means. I read somewhere that half the US population is at risk because of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure etc. Once you get above 50 a lot of people have something which would put them in the "at risk" group. There's been a few groups pushing the idea that only old people in nursing homes are really at risk (not saying anything about the implicit judgement that their lives are not something we need to be concerned about).

There's also been a 6 month exhaustion for many people - we're not meant to be under stress for months on end.

Icantthinkof1 · 08-10-2020 05:32PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Say for example, a kid comes home from school after contracting covid but is asymptomatic, mammy or daddy then develop symptoms and test positive. They've been out as usual to work/shops/pub etc. Kid continues to show no symptoms so mammy or daddy are left wondering where or how they've contracted the virus. So how do we class that in terms of the spread? All hypothetical of course

Their children would be tested as close contacts though so would find out if they are positive and asymptomatic
Agreed though they might never know if Johnny caught it in school/ mam/ dad picked it up

hmmm · 08-10-2020 05:32PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Hope numbers come down a little today. We can't afford to have the health service over run and need our economy back open.

You'd expect the rest of Ireland numbers to keep increasing for a while yet unfortunately before they start to come down. That's not a sign of failure, just that most of the people who got infected a week ago still don't know it.

Littleredcar · 08-10-2020 05:34PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great to get data on this. So the positivity rate in children/parents is lower than the rest of the population.

But we'll still have posters telling us:
- they're hiding the data
- they're not testing children
- schools are driving the infection rates.

Data, people, data, let's base our opinions on the data

The data is skeewwd as they are not treating teachers as close contacts

odyssey06 · 08-10-2020 05:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

People are ignorant about what "at risk" means. I read somewhere that half the US population is at risk because of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure etc. Once you get above 50 a lot of people have something which would put them in the "at risk" group. There's been a few groups pushing the idea that only old people in nursing homes are really at risk (not saying anything about the implicit judgement that their lives are not something we need to be concerned about). There's also been a 6 month exhaustion for many people - we're not meant to be under stress for months on end.

On this, I posted earlier in the thread:
1 in 10 deaths in the US were under 80 and had no co-morbidities.
4% were under 65 and had no co-morbidities.

Messi19 · 08-10-2020 05:38PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Their children would be tested as close contacts though so would find out if they are positive and asymptomatic
Agreed though they might never know if Johnny caught it in school/ mam/ dad picked it up

Probably goes down as the kid picking it from their parents

Icantthinkof1 · 08-10-2020 05:40PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Probably goes down as the kid picking it from their parents

I’d say it more than likely would

440Hertz · 08-10-2020 05:40PM

I’m in my 30s and probably at risk because of heart arrhythmia issues and high blood pressure. I’m fit, healthy, don’t smoke, don’t really drink much and have an excellent diet, yet I would suspect if I got COVID-19 I might be potentially in trouble.

It’s not just old people or those that you think are obviously at risk.

I know people who have have well managed MS and arthritis who are on immune suppressants and you’d have *no idea* they were at risk if you met them.

This is the problem. You aren’t sure who you’re condemning to huge risks. Loads of people tick one or more of the boxes for high risk and they’re not always the obvious ones. We can’t all just cocoon or the country would probably cease to function, but we can’t function if people are being idiots about this either.

froog · 08-10-2020 05:41PM

froog wrote: »

And are the 0-14 group more likely to be asymptomatic do you think?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/80-percent-of-people-in-this-age-group-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB15zLMB

A new study published in Nature Medicine looked at transmission models to estimate disease susceptibility and gain a deeper understanding of how age relates to coronavirus cases. Researchers found that "clinical symptoms manifest in 21 percent of infections in 10- to 19-year-olds, rising to 69 percent of infections in people aged over 70 years." That means that 79 percent of middle schoolers and teenagers do not show symptoms if they contract the coronavirus.

GazzaL · 08-10-2020 05:42PM

We need to follow Trump's lead and beat this thing.

Akabusi · 08-10-2020 05:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This morning I was in a store in Dundrum SC, and at the check-out the assistant, aged perhaps 57-63, was commenting that Tony Holohan has got it wrong trying to lock us down, and that "all the ones at risk should be keeping in their homes". I asked her directly "Do you imagine you it I are at any risk?" (I'm 59) and she replied "not at all, we're not at risk". That nearly boiled my blood and I retorted "well with the amount of weight we carry, we ought to be a little concerned about our level of risk". She was stunned.

It's not the kind of thing I have ever said before (although I am otherwise outspoken), so honestly I won't be engaging in casual conversation as I'm proving myself potentially obnoxious in these arguments. I think seeing the lack of mask got me riled in the first place It's a horribly divisive auld pandemic, not bringing out the best in me, and like everyone I'm getting utterly fed up with the restricted life

Have a snickers!

mloc123 · 08-10-2020 05:44PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great to get data on this. So the positivity rate in children/parents is lower than the rest of the population.

But we'll still have posters telling us:
- they're hiding the data
- they're not testing children
- schools are driving the infection rates.

Data, people, data, let's base our opinions on the data

It is funny that people laugh at the like of Gemma O'Doherty and Jim Corr for being crazies and at the same time believe that the government are somehow manipulating data to blame pubs and house parties...

Goldengirl · 08-10-2020 05:44PM

quokula wrote: »

If this is true then surely it's resignation material.

Bad form that he let Leo go off to Claire Byrne in a hissy fit over the fact that NPHET had leaked the info and hadn't told the government....which of course we suspected and now know was not the case .
Stephen putting Leo into the firing line ?
Looks like he's going to get the bullet now himself

To add , anyone the least bit uncomfortable about MM taking lockdown advice from Boris Johnson ?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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