Freemasons

dennyire · 08-10-2020 11:18am

Some of them are ok.
I got one who built stone wall at the front of my house for nothing

corner of hells · 08-10-2020 11:44am

dennyire wrote: »

Some of them are ok.
I got one who built stone wall at the front of my house for nothing

A friend of mine is member, hes only 5 foot tall ,so hes a masionette .

McGinniesta · 08-10-2020 12:05pm

Covid19 wrote: »

I'm a Mason, based in the West of Ireland. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Some of the posts here are hilarious! Especially the Black Bean post.

On a serious note, it's a tough time in The Craft at the moment as, due to Covid Restrictions, our charitable donations are suffering and, by extension, the charities.

Plus, many of our elderly members have lost their possibly only social outlet. Think of it as a Mens Shed with esoteric flavouring. We try to help as many as we can, from a distance. Please keep an eye on elderly neighbours living alone. It's a scary time for them.

How are the masons set up? I've watched some of theses youtube clips and had difficulty separating fact from fiction.

Is the bit about the 33rd degree masons true or is that a spoof?

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:13pm

McGinniesta wrote: »

How are the masons set up? I've watched some of theses youtube clips and had difficulty separating fact from fiction.

Is the bit about the 33rd degree masons true or is that a spoof?

We dont know! The rites go back beyond the mist of time. The first Lodges in Ireland, England and Scotland appeared 300 years ago.

Is which bit about the 33rd degree true? I have heard many things about it, be more specific.

The internet is the worst place to go to do research about it. You will get answers at either pole. It is either the greatest movement of fraternal love for the advancement of mankind in the world or it is hiding a greater agenda to dominate and enslave the world through banking and other means.

Neither case is true, it lies in between. 2B1Ask1. Hang around with a few of them if you want to join. It maybe for you, it may not be for you.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:15pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Worst secret organisation ever. They show you around the place, tell you what all the symbols etc mean, answer all your questions, and are dead keen for you to ask if you can become a member. It’s just a bunch of mostly old, mostly Protestant guys being charitable and extolling the virtues of self-improvement, charity, and integrity.

Hugely disappointing.

Clearly it is not an organisation for you. It is not for everyone and nor should it be.

breezy1985 · 08-10-2020 12:20pm

Jim Corr hates them so they are alright in my book

IAMAMORON · 08-10-2020 12:22pm

Those who say they are aren't those who are don't say they are.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:26pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Those who say they are aren't those who are don't say they are.

That policy has changed in recent years just to debunk it. Many brethren are open about their membership.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:31pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Jim Corr hates them so they are alright in my book

Jim Corr refers to all fraternities as Freemasons. Last count there were over 600 in the world. No I cannot name all of them. A few of them would be grand Lodge, Grand Orient, P2, Andeluvian, Orange Order, Buffalos, Prince Hall, Muslim Brotherhood, order of Elkes, Odd fellows, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Columbanus, Ancient Order of Hibernians...... and the list goes on and on.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-10-2020 12:36pm

Up Donegal wrote: »

I think you should consider doing an AMA about the Freemasons. I'm sure you would get a lot of interesting questions and views. Contact the Admin team.

I don’t think that’s “advisable” really. There’s just not that much to say beyond the charitable works. No real need for an AMA.

Just my two cents.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:40pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I don’t think that’s “advisable” really. There’s just not that much to say beyond the charitable works. No real need for an AMA.

Just my two cents.

If you are meant for masonry you will find it or it will find you either way if you were given all the answers it wouldnt be special.

breezy1985 · 08-10-2020 12:51pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If you are meant for masonry you will find it or it will find you.

Ooh that's the most masony thing said ont his thread so far

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 12:59pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ooh that's the most masony thing said ont his thread so far

You clearly arent a mason if you missed all the other references that went over your head at this stage.

r439z5ifwt8soq · 08-10-2020 1:03pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You clearly arent a mason if you missed all the other references that went over your head at this stage.

I got great enjoyment out of that comment, such mason carry-on

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 1:11pm

Elizabeth Flaky Pajamas wrote: »

I got great enjoyment out of that comment, such mason carry-on

For my rite I was going to bring out the Wand of Efram for the paddlin'.

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 1:12pm

Dr Strange wrote: »

Nothing more than a charitable social club with some theatrical work thrown in.

I met one once

Wouldn't take any money for rebuilding my wall

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 1:15pm

Thomas.. wrote: »

I met one once

Wouldn't take any money for rebuilding my wall

Well we gotta build that wall because it aint going to rebuild itself.

ShatterAlan · 08-10-2020 4:42pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

No great secret but you will only find out when you get through your initiation. An interesting men only social club who do a lot of good honest charitable work

Yeah Churchill and Alastair Crowley were real paragons on charity.

the purple tin · 08-10-2020 4:46pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I don’t think that’s “advisable” really. There’s just not that much to say beyond the charitable works. No real need for an AMA.

Just my two cents.

I beg to differ. It would be really interesting.
The reason people think there's something fishy about the Masons is because of all the hush-hush stuff.
If they laid all their cards on the table and just discussed everything out in the open that would all go away.

the purple tin · 08-10-2020 4:55pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yeah Churchill and Alastair Crowley were real paragons on charity.

Was Crowley in the craft?

Treppen · 08-10-2020 5:06pm

the purple tin wrote: »

Was Crowley in the craft?

Crowley had his own club.

He was George Bush's father in law too! Apparently

the purple tin · 08-10-2020 5:33pm

Treppen wrote: »

Crowley had his own club.

He was George Bush's father in law too! Apparently

The Bushes keep that one quiet when they are campaigning I bet!

EmmetSpiceland · 08-10-2020 6:42pm

the purple tin wrote: »

I beg to differ. It would be really interesting.
The reason people think there's something fishy about the Masons is because of all the hush-hush stuff.
If they laid all their cards on the table and just discussed everything out in the open that would all go away.

I just don’t think it will be of much benefit. I mean, you may as well be listening to someone talking about being a member of the, local, ‘Lions Club’. It’s, basically, the same thing. But with a little more “ceremony”, of course.

An AMA will just result in, over-excited “tourist” types flooding the thread with questions on Templars, Rosslyn Chapel, Propaganda Due, Jacques De Molay, Oak Island, New World Order/Illuminati, Gilmerton Cove, Bohemian Grove and there being more to the 33rd Degree. All that Dan Brown nonsense.

It’s just a club, like any other really.

Hand in Your Pants · 08-10-2020 8:34pm

Some lovely PR work for the masons going on here. No doubt a few posters are members themselves. A secretive clandestine organisation whose higher orders hold influential positions in society, what could possibly go wrong?! This is actually a real problem in the UK judiciary and police force where members who are masons are involved in corruption, cronyism and the obstruction of reforms due to their divided loyalties.

I was actually approached to join the masons years ago but declined. Not something I would want to be attached to.

Capt'n Midnight · 08-10-2020 8:55pm

https://i.imgflip.com/1wtzrl.jpg

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 8:55pm

That is too funny lol

the purple tin · 08-10-2020 9:05pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I just don’t think it will be of much benefit.I mean, you may as well be listening to someone talking about being a member of the, local, ‘Lions Club’. It’s, basically, the same thing. But with a little more “ceremony”, of course.

An AMA will just result in, over-excited “tourist” types flooding the thread with questions on Templars, Rosslyn Chapel, Propaganda Due, Jacques De Molay, Oak Island, New World Order/Illuminati, Gilmerton Cove, Bohemian Grove and there being more to the 33rd Degree. All that Dan Brown nonsense.

It’s just a club, like any other really.

What degree are you Emmet.

Covid19 also, which degree are you?

We should get whoever has the highest one to do the AMA.

branie2 · 08-10-2020 9:11pm

The Dan Brown novel, the Lost Symbol, provided an interesting look on Freemasonry.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 08-10-2020 9:22pm

branie2 wrote: »

The Dan Brown novel, the Lost Symbol, provided an interesting look on Freemasonry.

Watership Down provided an interesting look at complex rabbit relationships.

I've been approached on more than one occasion to join the Masons. It would be a relatively common organisation to join within the Frankfurt finance bubble, but by no means necessary or hugely beneficial to be a member of to get ahead in your career. It also sounds rather boring to be honest.

Instead I became a member of the Union of European Federalists (Union der Europäischen Föderalisten). This is an organisation advocating for a united, democratic federalist Europe. It's not a secret society, but is a far more useless use of my time as I believer a United Europe is critical if we are to address some of the major challenges facing the continent.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 9:49pm

the purple tin wrote: »

I beg to differ. It would be really interesting.
The reason people think there's something fishy about the Masons is because of all the hush-hush stuff.
If they laid all their cards on the table and just discussed everything out in the open that would all go away.

If every tradesman divulged all his secret then there would be nothing to marvel. His trade would be common place and there would be no value to the craft.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 9:55pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yeah Churchill and Alastair Crowley were real paragons on charity.

Aleister Crowley, had his own brand of Freemasonry called the Ordo Templi Orientis. This is not Grand Lodge Freemasonry.

Churchill was looking after the UK interest which was his professional job at the time. That has no bearing on his time in Freemasonry.

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 9:58pm

the purple tin wrote: »

What degree are you Emmet.

Covid19 also, which degree are you?

We should get whoever has the highest one to do the AMA.

That AMA would have to be approved by Molesworth street. Not that I believe it wouldnt. I dont believe it is in the interest of the craft to disclose all the secrets. A good tradesman covers his work.

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 10:00pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Watership Down provided an interesting look at complex rabbit relationships.

I've been approached on more than one occasion to join the Masons. It would be a relatively common organisation to join within the Frankfurt finance bubble, but by no means necessary or hugely beneficial to be a member of to get ahead in your career. It also sounds rather boring to be honest.

Instead I became a member of the Union of European Federalists (Union der Europäischen Föderalisten). This is an organisation advocating for a united, democratic federalist Europe. It's not a secret society, but is a far more useless use of my time as I believer a United Europe is critical if we are to address some of the major challenges facing the continent.

There's always major challenges

gozunda · 08-10-2020 10:04pm

Up Donegal wrote: »

I think you should consider doing an AMA about the Freemasons. I'm sure you would get a lot of interesting questions and views. Contact the Admin team.

Hmmm I dunno - I suspect its another edgy 'I'm one of them' type thing

Afaik AMA posters need to prove their bonafides...

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:17pm

gozunda wrote: »

Hmmm I dunno - I suspect its another edgy 'I'm one of them' type thing

Afaik AMA posters need to prove their bonafides...

That is easy to prove, Contact Molesworth street and ask them to suggest someone.

3d4life · 08-10-2020 10:30pm

Anyone able to confirm / deny :

The Bewleys hotel between the Brit embassy and the RDS used to be Masonic girls school ?

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:31pm

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Some lovely PR work for the masons going on here. No doubt a few posters are members themselves. A secretive clandestine organisation whose higher orders hold influential positions in society, what could possibly go wrong?! This is actually a real problem in the UK judiciary and police force where members who are masons are involved in corruption, cronyism and the obstruction of reforms due to their divided loyalties.

No, there is not, Tony Blair had all the Police masonic lodges disbanded. All senior civil servant have to declare if they are members of any masonic style orders (that also includes the OO as well as UGLE and such). In the old days the court clerk would have been a mason and would know not to let a Judge sit on a case where another mason was in the same lodge as him, so he could not be accused later of favouritism.

Oglaigh84 · 08-10-2020 10:32pm

3d4life wrote: »

Anyone able to confirm / deny :

The Bewleys hotel between the Brit embassy and the RDS used to be Masonic girls school ?

True. Still has square and compass symbols all over it

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:34pm

3d4life wrote: »

Anyone able to confirm / deny :

The Bewleys hotel between the Brit embassy and the RDS used to be Masonic girls school ?

Yes it used to be. That was disposed of in the early 80's with social changes and it was cheaper to provide private school for the Boys and Girls clubs.

3d4life · 08-10-2020 10:36pm

Thanks Oglaigh84.

I have a recollection that there was a Boys school too but for the life of me I cant think where it might have been.

Any ideas ?

Hand in Your Pants · 08-10-2020 10:37pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No, there is not, Tony Blair had all the Police masonic lodges disbanded. All senior civil servant have to declare if they are members of any masonic style orders (that also includes the OO as well as UGLE and such). In the old days the court clerk would have been a mason and would know not to let a Judge sit on a case where another mason was in the same lodge as him, so he could not be accused later of favouritism.

Wrong. It continues to be a problem. Plenty of articles in the press about it over the last few years. Try The Guardian for a start if you're interested.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-10-2020 10:40pm

3d4life wrote: »

Anyone able to confirm / deny :

The Bewleys hotel between the Brit embassy and the RDS used to be Masonic girls school ?

Another charitable “endeavour”, a school for orphaned girls. Promoting public education and looking out for those in need.

gozunda · 08-10-2020 10:41pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is easy to prove, Contact Molesworth street and ask them to suggest someone.

So you're suggesting Boards.ie contacts "Molesworth street" to verify posters here lol. Not sure it works like that tbh.

Any particular address on Molesworth Street you suggest they contact?

Oglaigh84 · 08-10-2020 10:45pm

3d4life wrote: »

Thanks Oglaigh84.

I have a recollection that there was a Boys school too but for the life of me I cant think where it might have been.

Any ideas ?

Probably thinking of Richview in clonskeagh, now part of UCD.

3d4life · 08-10-2020 10:45pm

gozunda wrote: »

....Any particular address on Molesworth Street you suggest they contact?

First result returned by the search engine that Quack-Quacks

http://www.irishmasonichistory.com/freemasons-hall-dublin.html

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:46pm

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Wrong. It continues to be a problem. Plenty of articles in the press about it over the last few years. Try The Guardian for a start if you're interested.

Read the article and it is very biased. The author has a bias against the secrecy. The secrecy is there to protect its members, remember not so long ago Hitler sent 80,000 German GL members to concentration camps and gave their children to childless Nazi party members?

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:50pm

gozunda wrote: »

So you're suggesting Boards.ie contacts "Molesworth street" to verify posters here lol. Not sure it works like that tbh.

Any particular address on Molesworth Street you suggest they contact?

I am sure addressing an envelope the GLI, Molesworth Street, Dublin 1 will get there.. The GLI will send their own representative.

gozunda · 08-10-2020 10:51pm

3d4life wrote: »

First result returned by the search engine that Quack-Quacks

http://www.irishmasonichistory.com/freemasons-hall-dublin.html

well its a bit rich saying contact "Molesworth street" - that's an entire street

Tbh the recent comment on this thread and the same in IMHO / CA by the same poster are starting to look like a recruitment drive

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I am sure addressing an envelope the GLI, Molesworth Street, Dublin 1 will get there.. The GLI will send their own representative.

"Envelope" - "Send their own representative" - Do they not have the internet? :pac:

r439z5ifwt8soq · 08-10-2020 10:52pm

how does someone progress through the ranks as a freemason?

skooterblue2 · 08-10-2020 10:55pm

Elizabeth Flaky Pajamas wrote: »

how does someone progress through the ranks as a freemason?

Attendance, Learning rites, volunteering for duties. Same as any other organisation. Show up, do stuff and be of good character. No big secrets.

Freemasons

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