Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Icyseanfitz · 08-10-2020 10:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

1100 or so in the 1st week in November, if and only if the rate of transmission doesn't reduce.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nphet-warns-that-ireland-is-heading-towards-2300-cases-of-covid-19-a-day-39589301.html

Nope 1600-2300 was what they said 2 days ago.

Thierry12 · 08-10-2020 10:09AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

We only have a certain capacity regardless of ingenious ideas or solutions, generations of underfunding the health care sector is why we are where we are. It has really come down to putting lives first or businesses first (which i also understand effects lives in a different way). There is no inventive super solution for this in the short term, its a once in a 100 year pandemic that we where and are not prepared for, our only hope to get out of lockdown bingo is a vaccine.

Agree with you

We are screwed hospital wise

HSE wont find any solutions

Going to crumble fast sadly

GooglePlus · 08-10-2020 10:10AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yep public sector workers at home on full pay while others on 201 a week.

But were all in this together!!!

You mean working from home?

is_that_so · 08-10-2020 10:11AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The economy is already taking a hit with rolling restrictions. Of course it would be worse but if it was for less time we could try and actually suppress virus long term. Because we're not living with covid as it stands .

Not going straight to Level 5 leaves us with more options, which we may or may not need. It also gives the government space for the groundwork for a return to March. Even at this point, IMO it would be useful for some public commentary on Christmas being different this year so that people can prepare for the absolute worst.

Christy42 · 08-10-2020 10:12AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where are the stats for people hospitalised DUE to Covid, rather that being hospitalised and testing positive for Covid while in there??

We live in Ireland.

Again, show me the stats for those hospitalised DUE to Covid rather than being hospitalised and testing positive.

Do we have a way to tell if a patient has too serious ailments whether they would be in without one of them?

is_that_so · 08-10-2020 10:12AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nphet-warns-that-ireland-is-heading-towards-2300-cases-of-covid-19-a-day-39589301.html

Nope 1600-2300 was what they said 2 days ago.

Nolan said up 1100-1500 in the first week of November, yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/every-part-of-country-seeing-rise-in-covid-19-cases-warns-nphet-1.4374966

Icyseanfitz · 08-10-2020 10:14AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nolan said up to 1500 in the first week of November, yesterday.

Im not going to argue numbers with you, i linked an article with them saying 1600-2000, i truly hope it doesn't get near that number and you are right.

caveat emptor · 08-10-2020 10:15AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ah come on!!!

We're all in this together!!!

Apart from the plan to borrow, borrow, borrow, and make future generations pay for our mess.

Oh and a pay rise for the public service as huge number of people lose their jobs.

But, we're all in this together!!!

Don't forget bail out, bail out, bail out.

That was a great decision 12 years ago that we are only recently over. What's the legacy of that decision. The very people who had to pick up the tab on that borrowed 40 billion by the way (at crazy vampire squid interest rates) have no access to housing and mortgages are most expensive in Europe. I wish we were all so concerned about where will the money come from when we were bailing out bond holders. Plenty of people had their head in the sand then too.

Great idea that one. Nobody gave a **** about who would pay for it as long as they got to stay in their over priced semi d.

The same people moaning in march are moaning now and it hasn't even started.

I think we should let people do what the fvck they want and if you can't afford the resultant health care (short term or long term) then you are on your own.

Net long term result of that won't be increased mortgage rates and no housing it will be a decrease in life expectancy for those most deprived.

I think people can get on board with that as nobody sees themselves in the deprived category.

We are clearly not in it together so why are we pretending?

Plumbthedepths · 08-10-2020 10:15AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

It cannot be a rant. I was happily eating chocolate while typing it.

Being pedantic doesn't do you any favours tbh.

is_that_so · 08-10-2020 10:16AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Im not going to argue numbers with you, i linked an article with them saying 1600-2000, i truly hope it doesn't get near that number and you are right.

Oh I agree. I was just posting the numbers I heard. I see their projections as unmitigated. It really is up to us over the new few weeks or we'll get there and to Levels 4-5.

shocksy · 08-10-2020 10:17AM

Some new figures showing coronavirus killed three times as many people as flu and pneumonia combined.

However, there's still plenty on here that think it's not even as bad as a flu.

Unfortunately there's no arguing with stupidity and there's plenty of it on this thread.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-killed-three-times-as-many-people-as-flu-and-pneumonia-combined-figures-show-12098893

weldoninhio · 08-10-2020 10:17AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Tell that to the hundreds of people under 60 (never mind 80) without underlying conditions in the UK alone who have died from the virus.

Tell that to the thousands of people here under 80 without underlying conditions who required hospitalisation to overcome this virus.

A disease which had 90% people with mild symptoms and 10% people dead or in ICU would be a 'mild disease' according to your metric, which highlights what a fundamentally wrong metric it is.

Why would I, an Irish person living in Ireland, be interested in telling anyone from any other country, about the available stats in Ireland??

Pathetic argument

ixoy · 08-10-2020 10:18AM

Level 4/5 shuts down further businesses but they may not be the primary source of transmission, i.e. it mightn't make nearly a big of difference as people think it will.

What would be worth doing right now is a big investment in contact tracing (and I know they're looking for this) to try and identify the source of the outbreaks. That should surely be vitally important in a more targeted approach to knowing what further to shut down (if anything) or what to restrict if needed (household visits) or even just to present better data to the public to inform them.

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 10:18AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You mean working from home?

I think people also forget that Garda, teachers, nurses etc are all public sector workers too and of course many can't work from home.

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 10:20AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not going straight to Level 5 leaves us with more options, which we may or may not need. It also gives the government space for the groundwork for a return to March. Even at this point, IMO it would be useful for some public commentary on Christmas being different this year so that people can prepare for the absolute worst.

In that case government should use their time to set aside a plan if level 5 ever needs to be used, ramp up testing capacity and ICU capacity and hire more public health doctors in public health departments. They need to be proactive here. No resting on their laurels.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2020 10:21AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Do we have a way to tell if a patient has too serious ailments whether they would be in without one of them?

Well if I've a broken leg/hip/neck/spine etc and zero symptoms of Covid, yet test positive when tested you can tell. Same with a range of other injuries.

Zebra3 · 08-10-2020 10:22AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That was a great decision 12 years ago that we are only recently over.

Don't think we are anywhere near over it. Still paying for FG/Labour's bailout of AIB in the 1980s, aren't we?

caveat emptor wrote: »

We are clearly not in it together so why are we pretending?

Propaganda from the top repeated by the plebs.

Remember Biffo on 200+ grand a year telling everyone to pull on the green jersey back in 2008-09?. Coming from a "man" who couldn't even turn up sober for radio interview.

08-10-2020 10:23AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nphet-warns-that-ireland-is-heading-towards-2300-cases-of-covid-19-a-day-39589301.html

Nope 1600-2300 was what they said 2 days ago.

1100 to 1500 is what they said yesterday
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1007/1170060-daily-virus-figures/

bb1234567 · 08-10-2020 10:25AM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

It's amazing that when you have a question or a difference in opinion, no matter what question that seems outside your thinking, it is called a conspiracy.

I don't accosicate myself with conspiracies.

Because you didn't just aska question you insinuated biazrrely that people were actually dying of flu instead of covid. Ridiculous and not worthy of a (polite) reply

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 10:26AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Agree with you

We are screwed hospital wise

HSE wont find any solutions

Going to crumble fast sadly

Once ICU gets overrun they'll be left with no option but to move up levels

^^ And that's a ridiculous situation to be in

Agree with another poster, I think there'll be a hybrid level 4/5

GooglePlus · 08-10-2020 10:27AM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think people also forget that Garda, teachers, nurses etc are all public sector workers too and of course many can't work from home.

Very true.

My entire Department is working from home and the work hasn't decreased at all but has just become more difficult because of the situation. The country's government still needs it's lower/mid level engine or everything falls to ****.

I don't know where people get this whole PS/CS are on holiday crap. People are just jealous of others with stable jobs, there is nothing stopping them from visiting publicjobs.ie

Thomas.. · 08-10-2020 10:28AM

At this stage if the government are not editing levels 4 and 5 they're doing something wrong

You install a new piece of software you get continuous updates, same applies to above

Gruffalux · 08-10-2020 10:30AM

ixoy wrote: »

Level 4/5 shuts down further businesses but they may not be the primary source of transmission, i.e. it mightn't make nearly a big of difference as people think it will.

What would be worth doing right now is a big investment in contact tracing (and I know they're looking for this) to try and identify the source of the outbreaks. That should surely be vitally important in a more targeted approach to knowing what further to shut down (if anything) or what to restrict if needed (household visits) or even just to present better data to the public to inform them.

That would have been worth huge investing in. April May would have made a good starting date for the operation, having it fully underway to an excellent standard by now. As it happens tracing is falling apart at the seams now. It is a bit late to start fixing that for this round.

Rrrrrr2 · 08-10-2020 10:31AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Very true.

My entire Department is working from home and the work hasn't decreased at all but has just become more difficult because of the situation. The country's government still needs it's lower/mid level engine or everything falls to ****.

I don't know where people get this who PS/CS are on holiday crap. People are just jealous of others with stable jobs, there is nothing stopping them from visiting publicjobs.ie

But if we all worked in the PS then we would be (even more) bankrupt. The PS should in no way have been immune from any lockdowns salary wise- PS jobs that stopped should have been all on the PUP payments as should all teachers that did not make tangible effoerts to work/teach from home.
I'm sure you're aghast reading this but I don't see why PS workers have a privilige to keep getting paid in full while others are left high and dry.

Mwengwe · 08-10-2020 10:33AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The stats don't lie. If you are under 80 without any chronic illness, you've pretty much no chance of dying from Covid. The most common symptom currently is zero symptoms, thats pretty mild in my book.

Can we not just ban this kind of stupidity?

GooglePlus · 08-10-2020 10:33AM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

But if we all worked in the PS then we would be (even more) bankrupt. The PS should in no way have been immune from any lockdowns salary wise- PS jobs that stopped should have been all on the PUP payments as should all teachers that did not make tangible effoerts to work/teach from home.
I'm sure you're aghast reading this but I don't see why PS workers have a privilige to keep getting paid in full while others are left high and dry.

I fully agree with you there. Those who are at home doing nothing should be on PUP. It annoys me that there are some getting the same wage as me every week because their Department hadn't invested in working from home facilities.

You have to remember that many of those who can't work from home were moved elsewhere to the likes of social welfare to help with the disbursing of PUP and some were moved to the HSE. There are others like Justice also who have taken people on board.

I don't think there are that many at home doing nothing.

Jinglejangle69 · 08-10-2020 10:34AM

Claire Byrne is dreaming of level 5

Eod100 · 08-10-2020 10:35AM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

But if we all worked in the PS then we would be (even more) bankrupt. The PS should in no way have been immune from any lockdowns salary wise- PS jobs that stopped should have been all on the PUP payments as should all teachers that did not make tangible effoerts to work/teach from home.
I'm sure you're aghast reading this but I don't see why PS workers have a privilige to keep getting paid in full while others are left high and dry.

Did you read the above comment at all? Public Service jobs weren't "stopped."

Icyseanfitz · 08-10-2020 10:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

1100 to 1500 is what they said yesterday
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1007/1170060-daily-virus-figures/

Okay, not arguing numbers, i gave the latest i had heard.

Funsterdelux · 08-10-2020 10:36AM

An excellent presentation on how the virus is transmitted and how to protect ourselves, esp for schools.

SLIDE SHOW

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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