Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Wolf359f · 07-10-2020 11:24PM

hmmm wrote: »

1.1%

The problem of course is the speed at which it is growing if numbers begin to grow exponentially, and that entire wards have to be given over to Covid patients due to the nature of the virus.

I believe it is growing exponentially, in cases, hospitalisations and ICU admissions.

07-10-2020 11:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you plot the Covid data against the number of all patients in hospital for all other reasons?

Im assuming it looks like we have 160 in Covid beds out of a total of 14000+ hospital beds.

Covid is using up 0.01% of our total hospital beds?

Covid isnt the only illness out there

By the way I'm not sure if they 14k is correct

100% and if you swab for H Pylori, you'll find more people with it than Covid but that's because you're swapping for it.. also if you take a very sensitive test for cocaine use, you'll get that too statistically in hair samples, more than covid-19, again because you're testing for it?

I'd like to hear Tony give one simple piece of info...
Deaths from covid today occurred in the following setting
median age was
Mean age was
underlying factors associated with morbidity was..

But we wont because if the answers are in ICU/Hospital, ages 84 average and with health complication...the young people will say "see it;s an elderly disease guys" party on wayne.

Like it or not, we are entitled to those facts more than the <45's they keep hammering out.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 11:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I didnt think you would tbh.

I just wanted some perspective!

Not your game however;)

I'm confused. If we have so many hospital beds why are there always people on trolleys? Is that a conspiracy too?

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s spreading because it’s a f*cking virus and it’s going to spread unless you completely close society down and keep it closed. Which of course is not sustainable.

It spreads primarily indoors, in poorly ventilated places with close contact between people. We do not need to "close society down", but we do need to restrict the places it is good at spreading in.

The great news is that the virus is extremely mild. Unless you are over 80 and in extremely bad health, you will likely be fine.

Lies.

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

If we have 14k beds (I'm assuming your figures are correct), 160 cases is 1.1% of those beds.

Your completely correct!

Ill edit now

xvril · 07-10-2020 11:25PM

So on the Nolan show they just admitted that if you got covid 19 and 28 days later got hit by a car. You would be marked as a covid death. Absolute madness

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm confused. If we have so many hospital beds why are there always people on trolleys? Is that a conspiracy too?

No my point wasnt that we had free capacity, it was that Covid was a small portion of what was using it up.

skinny90 · 07-10-2020 11:27PM

rusty cole wrote: »

sure wasn't Gemma O doherty blocked for challenging and engaging google?? so what are you talking about!

don't you also mean THE FEW people you know or share your views..the curtain twitching cult!

Not sure what you mean....

I’m talking about a gym who is using a platform and sending the wrong message. As a trainer i think it’s shocking not only for the context of what they are trying to do but the fact that if someone has a problem or challenges it on the feed it’s insta blocked.
So now what I see is just messages for support and egits claiming suicide figures are higher than Covid figures in 2020z Clearly there is a set agenda and a controlled image to be had.
On the flip side hospitality has had to close and I’ve seen very little messages of the same tone, more along the lines thanking all for their support and they’ll be back again. The message shouldn’t be to stand up to the government due to restrictions, they have a responsibility and this mantra if we will never close and unite together is just wrong.
The Covid restrictions are testing all of our patience and more needs to be done to help businesses, but modifying a mental health post to push an agenda like this is disgusting. It's also deeply insulting to the front line workers who have worked their bollocks off over the past few months during this pandemic

Wolf359f · 07-10-2020 11:27PM

xvril wrote: »

So on the Nolan show they just admitted that if you got covid 19 and 28 days later got hit by a car. You would be marked as a covid death. Absolute madness

Whose is they?
And I don't believe we've have over 1,800 road deaths so far this year!

Sierra Oscar · 07-10-2020 11:28PM

Looks like the UK pubs will close. Scotland first, England to follow. I assume Northern Ireland will too.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1313968778670223367

KrustyUCC · 07-10-2020 11:28PM

elefant wrote: »

Can you imagine the scenes if the government announced they were closing off licenses and alcohol sections in supermarkets for a few weeks starting from X time? It would be absolute mayhem!

Off licences close at 10 and can't reopen until the morning

Announcement at 11 at night

Job done

I don't advocate that solution though

Mwengwe · 07-10-2020 11:28PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Jesus Christ. No need for this ****.
“Your kids will survive”
What about their mental and educational health, the parents health? How will the parents work?

No need for what ****?

07-10-2020 11:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

It spreads primarily indoors, in poorly ventilated places with close contact between people. We do not need to "close society down", but we do need to restrict the places it is good at spreading in.

Lies.

no it's not, in fact this is how a virus spreads, it has no interest in killing people as it spreads through the population, that's counter intuitive to it's survival..
that's wat make the rotten ones so terrible..

by virtue of the fact that it is spreading, makes it so, it will by nature be mild. again, that's what makes the really nasty ones so nasty..I don't see people dropping like smallpox.

07-10-2020 11:30PM

hmmm wrote: »

It spreads primarily indoors, in poorly ventilated places with close contact between people. We do not need to "close society down", but we do need to restrict the places it is good at spreading in.

Lies.

Unfortunately people live together.
If they go to work/school and then return home, virus will still spread.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 11:30PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No my point wasnt that we had free capacity, it was that Covid was a small portion of what was using it up.

Ok grand, I understand. Health system not great that's the main concern otherwise we'd have a lot more room for dealing with this. The trolley thing is mad for a western country.

PsychoPete · 07-10-2020 11:31PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Whose is they?
And I don't believe we've have over 1,800 road deaths so far this year!

Aren't they saying that if you had covid but your death wasn't because of covid directly you'd be put down as a covid death anyway

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately people live together.
If they go to work/school and then return home, virus will still spread.

You mentioned society having to shut down. We are allowing certain situations where there might be a high risk of spread (e.g. schools and certain workplaces), but the cost is that we can't also allow other indoor locations to remain open (primarily leisure).

It's a tradeoff where we are prioritising children's education and major workplaces. We're not looking for zero Covid (yet - perhaps).

07-10-2020 11:33PM

xvril wrote: »

So on the Nolan show they just admitted that if you got covid 19 and 28 days later got hit by a car. You would be marked as a covid death. Absolute madness

you will be marked as having died with covid but yes optics are what matters.
And I saw nolan hanging around petrol stations harassing non mask wearers and filming them despite not asking first..have you a deviated septum for example which cuts air flow to 50% in many cases.. or have you asthma or are you even claustrophobic...

actually looking at the state of him being so FAT, he should worry..alot!

Wolf359f · 07-10-2020 11:34PM

PsychoPete wrote: »

Aren't they saying that if you had covid but your death wasn't because of covid directly you'd be put down as a covid death anyway

I've never heard that metric being used to record covid deaths in Ireland.
Going by that logic every confirmed case will eventually become a covid death over the current century. That will be alot of press conferences for Tony.

Mwengwe · 07-10-2020 11:34PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

If your family member is that vulnerable then you need to ensure they are protected. That is your responsibility.

Wan't talking about anyone in my family, I live alone.
Your attitude is very telling, though.

stockshares · 07-10-2020 11:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People need to stop thinking that this virus is spreading just because somebody had a house party, or a sandwich with their ma, or went to a GAA match.

It’s spreading because it’s a f*cking virus and it’s going to spread unless you completely close society down and keep it closed. Which of course is not sustainable.

The great news is that the virus is extremely mild. Unless you are over 80 and in extremely bad health, you will likely be fine.

Unfortunately the fallout from Covid will be much worse. That won’t only impact 1%. It will likely impact us all.

Huge hospital waiting lists, huge backlogs for cancer screening, huge levels of unemployment, increase in suicide, poverty, homelessness. Increases in crime and anti social behavior. Spending cuts. Housing crisis worsening.

If the government started to paint the full picture, I think a lot more people might change their minds on Covid.

What we should be doing is looking to get as much ICU capacity as we can so we can live with it.

What you posted above is a dangerous lie.

The virus is not an extremely mild virus.

Mwengwe · 07-10-2020 11:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People need to stop thinking that this virus is spreading just because somebody had a house party, or a sandwich with their ma, or went to a GAA match.

It’s spreading because it’s a f*cking virus and it’s going to spread unless you completely close society down and keep it closed. Which of course is not sustainable.

The great news is that the virus is extremely mild. Unless you are over 80 and in extremely bad health, you will likely be fine.

Unfortunately the fallout from Covid will be much worse. That won’t only impact 1%. It will likely impact us all.

Huge hospital waiting lists, huge backlogs for cancer screening, huge levels of unemployment, increase in suicide, poverty, homelessness. Increases in crime and anti social behavior. Spending cuts. Housing crisis worsening.

If the government started to paint the full picture, I think a lot more people might change their minds on Covid.

What we should be doing is looking to get as much ICU capacity as we can so we can live with it.

Utter, utter rubbish. Have been reading this nonsense since March.
The amount of thanks your post got is frightening.

xvril · 07-10-2020 11:39PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Whose is they?
And I don't believe we've have over 1,800 road deaths so far this year!

Cant say I know the name of the person but he was obviously brought on as he was an expert. It was on the Nolan show on BBC 1.

He was asked if you tested positive for covid, spent 14 days with the disease and recovered. Then 14 days later jumped out a plane and died, would it be marked as a Covid death.

The expert said the way stats are currently recorded yes it would be. This would be UK of course but Ireland is probably the same.

He did say though that is possible they are missing covid deaths. He also said that a lot of covid deaths are people who were dying of serious conditions anyway. He said that they would have lived longer if it wasnt for covid.

Im sure you can watch it tomorrow on bbc iplayer. Save me typing out the entire conversation.

Widdensushi · 07-10-2020 11:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm confused. If we have so many hospital beds why are there always people on trolleys? Is that a conspiracy too?

Have you last years graph iirc it would be far more, our hospitals haven't been able to cope for years, I gave a couple of days on a trolley myself a couple of years ago which wasn't a problem but I felt for the women who were in the same corridor as it was worse for them

Le Bruise · 07-10-2020 11:41PM

Le Bruise wrote: »

Drove up from Wicklow this morning with no checkpoints....going home might be another story of course!

It was definitely another story.....

TonyMaloney · 07-10-2020 11:42PM

xvril wrote: »

So on the Nolan show they just admitted that if you got covid 19 and 28 days later got hit by a car. You would be marked as a covid death. Absolute madness

Is 28 days the cut-off point?

you're right, that's crazy!

Widdensushi · 07-10-2020 11:43PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Is 28 days the cut-off point?

you're right, that's crazy!

Up to 70 days

Wolf359f · 07-10-2020 11:44PM

xvril wrote: »

Cant say I know the name of the person but he was obviously brought on as he was an expert. It was on the Nolan show on BBC 1.

He was asked if you tested positive for covid, spent 14 days with the disease and recovered. Then 14 days later jumped out a plane and died, would it be marked as a Covid death.

The expert said the way stats are currently recorded yes it would be. This would be UK of course but Ireland is probably the same.

He did say though that is possible they are missing covid deaths. He also said that a lot of covid deaths are people who were dying of serious conditions anyway. He said that they would have lived longer if it wasnt for covid.

Im sure you can watch it tomorrow on bbc iplayer. Save me typing out the entire conversation.

I can assure you, in Ireland it's not the same.
This crap about did they die from/of/with covid or when deaths are announced some people assume it's historic deaths etc.... Maybe trying to downplay it in their mind to make it easier on themselves or justify their behavior.

jam_mac_jam · 07-10-2020 11:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If George Floyd died in Ireland he would be a Covid death and would have no need for the protests

Yeah as there are a huge number of Garda killing suspects. Huge problem.

07-10-2020 11:49PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Is 28 days the cut-off point?

you're right, that's crazy!

sure her's a 50yr old dies less than a week after a car crash and was put down as covid.. are you telling me that if he had not been in a crash, he'd have died from covid 19 in 7 days??

he never even knew he had it, was going about his business and maybe suffered a puncture lung and other injuries in the crash.

stupid stuff!! Admitted on the Monday and died that sunday, < one week
https://www.wfmz.com/health/coronavirus/coroner-man-hospitalized-after-crash-dies-of-covid-19/article_768425fc-77fc-11ea-9c71-bf0a00d2beb8.html

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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