Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

podgeandrodge · 07-10-2020 11:00PM

Has anyone seen any articles about whether people will be allowed to travel to USA any time soon? i.e. USA allowing Irish visitors.

edit: sigh!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-coronavirus-2/

Away With The Fairies · 07-10-2020 11:02PM

Not a good day here with high cases and five deaths.

They seem to be blaming people socialising and yet they won't acknowledge airborne transmission. My workplace goes on about distancing, distancing, and distancing. So because of that I see people walking around the place with their face mask under their nose because they're not close to people. What good is that if they're breathing out covid?

Acknowledge airborne transmission and let people and companies plan accordingly. The HSE are just trying to kill off people the slower they take to do something about this.

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:02PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

People need to stop and listen to themselves. Suggestions of barricading people into their houses, getting the ‘riot squad’ to break up house parties, getting the army in to control peoples movements. These attitudes, which are getting more and more extreme and seemingly prevalent, are 1000 times more frightening than the virus.

It is the most unsettling aspect of reading these threads, without doubt.

That and the complete lack of compassion for any illness other than Covid.

07-10-2020 11:03PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Has anyone seen any articles about whether people will be allowed to travel to USA any time soon? i.e. USA allowing Irish visitors.

No. US citizens and green card holders only and no sign of any change

ceadaoin. · 07-10-2020 11:03PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

People need to stop and listen to themselves. Suggestions of barricading people into their houses, getting the ‘riot squad’ to break up house parties, getting the army in to control peoples movements. These attitudes, which are getting more and more extreme and seemingly prevalent, are 1000 times more frightening than the virus.

Agree with this. The world has gone completely mad. Or at least, people on the internet have lol. We coped with 1000+ cases a day where I am over the summer and the world didn't end, there weren't bodies on the streets. People need to get a grip and calm down ffs.

podgeandrodge · 07-10-2020 11:04PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Has anyone seen any articles about whether people will be allowed to travel to USA any time soon? i.e. USA allowing Irish visitors.

edit: sigh!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-coronavirus-2/

funny, we're blocked as a risk to their citizens health, but they can come here!

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 11:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No it's a sport on here to suggest somebody random said something non related to anything and use that as a reason as to why we shouldn't control the virus.

For instance. "What are we going to do close the border? what about N.I?":pac:

What the **** are you raving about now, post a graph there and we will try understand it.

Kiwi in IE · 07-10-2020 11:04PM

hmmm wrote: »

For you maybe, but I think there is a large section of the population (and business community) who are tired of doing everything they can to limit the spread of this virus and seeing a smaller group flouting the rules. And we don't need the riot squad to break up house parties, a Guard calling to the door or a fine on the home-owner will stop most of them. So perhaps less of the "extreme" paranoia.

Less ‘extreme paranoia’ is exactly what is needed.

The HorsesMouth · 07-10-2020 11:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

I believe the Chinese figures, it suits a few politicians (e.g. Trump and his fans) to say they are lying because they've made such a mess of their own response.

China is now largely open for business, air travel is nearly recovered, tourism, bars, no social distancing. Their response to even small number of cases is overwhelming - shutting down cities, mass testing millions of people.

There is no way their figures are true especially if air travel is back.

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:07PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It is the most unsettling aspect of reading these threads, without doubt.

That and the complete lack of compassion for any illness other than Covid.

Yeah, they're big into "compassion" over there on the Restrictions thread where you are a regular. Lock up the vulnerable, the elderly being "beyond economic use" and how people who get severe Covid have brought it on themselves.

ACitizenErased · 07-10-2020 11:07PM

I thought history taught us to not trust countries with concentration camps

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 11:07PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It is the most unsettling aspect of reading these threads, without doubt.

That and the complete lack of compassion for any illness other than Covid.

Yeah we should just prevent people with covid from going to hospital that way all other illnesses will be dealt with within capacity. The waiting lists used to be so good or did they?

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:08PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

There is no way their figures are true especially if air travel is back.

Why do you say that? It would give credence to there being very low rates of infection if they are allowing people fly between cities in China.

obi604 · 07-10-2020 11:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's almost as if... it's not true.

China only down as 85,000 or so cases last time I checked. How much do ye *really* think it is - 20 million possibly?

07-10-2020 11:11PM

If off license hours are curbed, what about the supermarkets who will supply the remaining demand? how will supermarkets feel about potential opportunities being closed off without legislation?

As you close off one loop you have to write legislation for others and on and on and on, it is never ending..

I would be happy to book an dental appointment in the north to save €10.00 as is my right.. Quote a medical issue and hey if I choose to buy a pallet load of Budweiser for the lads in the flats....I CAN!

ways and means ...ways and means

skinny90 · 07-10-2020 11:11PM

hmmm wrote: »

For you maybe, but I think there is a large section of the population (and business community) who are tired of doing everything they can to limit the spread of this virus and seeing a smaller group flouting the rules. And we don't need the riot squad to break up house parties, a Guard calling to the door or a fine on the home-owner will stop most of them. So perhaps less of the "extreme" paranoia.

Saw a well known gym in blanch posting a big long post about Uniting together, standing up to the government and fighting against the threat of closing regardless of what level. Few people I know challenged them were instantly blocked or removed from engaging.

You’d swear Gemma and co are taping into the fitness cult for more followers

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:12PM

obi604 wrote: »

China only down as 85,000 or so cases last time I checked. How much do ye *really* think it is - 10 million possibly?

In Wuhan I'd say it hit a few million back in February/March.

Right now - negligible. They are not going to open up their country, and then shut down entire cities when cases are detected, if they have widespread spread. Plus the Chinese medical system is not very good, so we'd be seeing huge numbers of deaths and illness if there was lots of spread.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 11:13PM

frisbeeface wrote: »

I'm surprised there isn't more focus on workplaces getting their staff to return to work unnecessarily. I'm in Dublin and I'd say the majority of my friends with office jobs that can be done from home are back into offices in some capacity. It's not as dramatic as the videos of people drinking together, but the numbers must be huge.

This is definitely the case. But rarely mentioned.

My office is open. My boss has been in there several days a week for a couple of months but i refuse to go in.

I know of a HSE admin staff member that can work from home but has been pressured to return to the office.

07-10-2020 11:14PM

skinny90 wrote: »

Saw a well known gym in blanch posting a big long post about Uniting together, standing up to the government and fighting against the threat of closing regardless of what level. Few people I know challenged them were instantly blocked or removed from engaging.

You’d swear Gemma and co are taping into the fitness cult for more followers

sure wasn't Gemma O doherty blocked for challenging and engaging google?? so what are you talking about!

don't you also mean THE FEW people you know or share your views..the curtain twitching cult!

07-10-2020 11:15PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

funny, we're blocked as a risk to their citizens health, but they can come here!

It’s politics. Not COVID. COVID was just a convenient excuse for Trump to close the borders, which he’s always wanted to do. That why it won’t be lifted any time soon

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah we should just prevent people with covid from going to hospital that way all other illnesses will be dealt with within capacity. The waiting lists used to be so good or did they?

Can you plot the Covid data against the number of all patients in hospital for all other reasons?

Im assuming it looks like we have 160 in Covid beds out of a total of 14000+ hospital beds.

Covid is using up 1.1% of our total hospital beds?

Covid isnt the only illness out there

By the way I'm not sure if they 14k is correct

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 11:17PM

rusty cole wrote: »

sure wasn't Gemma O doherty blocked for challenging and engaging google?? so what are you talking about!

don't you also mean THE FEW people you know or share your views..the curtain twitching cult!

How dare you talk about Gemma's twitching cult. :eek:

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Covid is using up 0.01% of our total hospital beds?

1.1%

The problem of course is the speed at which it is growing if numbers begin to grow exponentially, and that entire wards have to be given over to Covid patients due to the nature of the virus.

SeaBreezes · 07-10-2020 11:18PM

This could be reversable, and its moderate amd severe cases.. https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1313950389117440000?s=20

growleaves · 07-10-2020 11:19PM

Come on let's twitch again like we did last summer
Let's twitch again like we did last year

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 11:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you plot the Covid data against the number of all patients in hospital for all other reasons?

Im assuming it looks like we have 160 in Covid beds out of a total of 14000+ hospital beds.

Covid is using up 0.01% of our total hospital beds?

Covid isnt the only illness out there

By the way I'm not sure if they 14k is correct

no sorry. I mean I could but what good would it do.
There's no problem in your mind so we should be good.

Cheers

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:20PM

hmmm wrote: »

1.1%

The problem of course is the speed at which it is growing if numbers begin to grow exponentially, and that entire wards have to be given over to Covid patients due to the nature of the virus.

Is it?

I thought we had 14k total hospital beds

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 11:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

no sorry. I mean I could but what good would it do.
There's no problem in your mind so we should be good.

Cheers

I didnt think you would tbh.

I just wanted some perspective!

Not your game however;)

hmmm · 07-10-2020 11:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is it?

I thought we had 14k total hospital beds

If we have 14k beds (I'm assuming your figures are correct), 160 cases is 1.1% of those beds.

07-10-2020 11:22PM

People need to stop thinking that this virus is spreading just because somebody had a house party, or a sandwich with their ma, or went to a GAA match.

It’s spreading because it’s a f*cking virus and it’s going to spread unless you completely close society down and keep it closed. Which of course is not sustainable.

The great news is that the virus is extremely mild. Unless you are over 80 and in extremely bad health, you will likely be fine.

Unfortunately the fallout from Covid will be much worse. That won’t only impact 1%. It will likely impact us all.

Huge hospital waiting lists, huge backlogs for cancer screening, huge levels of unemployment, increase in suicide, poverty, homelessness. Increases in crime and anti social behavior. Spending cuts. Housing crisis worsening.

If the government started to paint the full picture, I think a lot more people might change their minds on Covid.

What we should be doing is looking to get as much ICU capacity as we can so we can live with it.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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