Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Hurrache · 07-10-2020 09:24PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I couldn’t be further away then a publicans then Im Santy

Not saying you are, but you're parroting the vinters bull**** romantic notions that they're always looking out for their customers and won't let anyone get absolutely pissed.

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 09:24PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Can’t close the schools.
Kids need to be educated.
Parents need to work.

NPHET want 400k out of work though to protect us. Which is it.

Messi19 · 07-10-2020 09:25PM

deisedevil wrote: »

And where will the kids go? Huge problem.

That's one of the issues for sure as it's not only educational but childcare issues too

manniot2 · 07-10-2020 09:25PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Every day counts when the numbers are this high. If they think the government are ****ing this then they have every right to push them on it. Fair play to them.

'the numbers are this high'. what is a high number in this context? if we had the same testing capacity back in march that we have now, wed have had 10 times the daily numbers back then. would make todays numbers seem tiny.

growleaves · 07-10-2020 09:25PM

I was wearing a red hat the day cases started to go up again.

Don't worry I've gotten rid of it. I wear a blue hat now.

Santy2015 · 07-10-2020 09:25PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Not saying you are, but you're parroting the vinters bull**** romantic notions that they're always looking out for their customers and won't let anyone get absolutely pissed.

I’m just for keeping jobs really. But I do like a pint so...

Russman · 07-10-2020 09:26PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So no alternative thinking, no thinking outside the box. Just impose one of the harshest lockdowns in the world. They are supposed the be the best of the best. Do we need a full board to tell us this.

Or, you know, maybe they’re right. Maybe this is a world wide pandemic that every country is struggling with to one degree or another and our lives have changed immeasurably for the foreseeable. Whether we like it or not.

The best of the best can’t go back and magic up ICU beds or invest more money in 1995 or last April..

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 09:27PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Close. The. Schools.

Present evidence for this demand? Stop blaming schools. The problems lie elsewhere. But I guess you already know that.

Messi19 · 07-10-2020 09:28PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Can’t close the schools.
Kids need to be educated.
Parents need to work.

If it comes to level 5 being needed then a lot of parents won't be able to work. So do we shut down the country to keep the kids in school? It's an awful thing to have to weigh up

Itssoeasy · 07-10-2020 09:28PM

Seems like the social democrats are asking for Stephen Donnelly to clarify what he spoke to the CMO about on Sunday just gone and “what did he do with that information”, which to me is implying a serious charge about the minister for health because as we know the letter about level 5 leaked on Sunday evening and presumably that letter wasn’t for widespread public consumption.

Funsterdelux · 07-10-2020 09:28PM

Originally Posted by Thomas.. View Post
On the 12th of Christmas my true love gave to me

A deadly disease that begins with a C

Civilisation

TexasTornado · 07-10-2020 09:28PM

Vicxas wrote: »

According to 9 o clock news NPHET are going to push for level 5 again

Good to hear they are sticking to the facts and not being influenced by bully boy Leo.

tom1ie · 07-10-2020 09:29PM

niallo27 wrote: »

NPHET want 400k out of work though to protect us. Which is it.

?
NPHET are looking out for public health.
To be honest I think we are going middle of the road which suits no one.
We either shut the place down and go wuhan style to get to zero Covid, which I agree is ridiculous and won’t work
Or
We open up and trust the public to wear masks, SD and hand wash whilst protecting the vulnerable as best the vulnerable and the healthy can. Coupled with this we bring in a raft of powers for the Gardaí to fine people acting the bollix and hosting house parties.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 09:29PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Shhhh you can't be saying things about schools in here, genuine covid free zones

Present evidence that schools are the problem and we'll listen but you never do.

davemckenna25 · 07-10-2020 09:30PM

niallo27 wrote: »

NPHET want 400k out of work though to protect us. Which is it.

NO, NPHET want to do what is best for the health of the people.
How many times do people need to have it explained to them that NPHET don't need to and shouldn't worry about the economical impact of their recommendations. That is for the government to worry about. NPHET worry about the PUBLIC HEALTH.

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 09:30PM

So Donnelly & Martin both knew what was coming

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1313932669848293384?s=19

Jinglejangle69 · 07-10-2020 09:30PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Good to hear they are sticking to the facts and not being influenced by bully boy Leo.

Yeah, you'll be alright.

Money isn't obviously a weekly issue for you.

Let's lockdown and drive most of us into financial difficulty again.

But hey, once you're alright.

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 09:33PM

Russman wrote: »

Or, you know, maybe they’re right. Maybe this is a world wide pandemic that every country is struggling with to one degree or another and our lives have changed immeasurably for the foreseeable. Whether we like it or not.

The best of the best can’t go back and magic up ICU beds or invest more money in 1995 or last April..

Which is why we have a national public health team, people keep saying they are only here to advise, but they have to realise their advice will affect millions of people and destroy thousands of lives. They had to know level 5 was not a go for so many reasons so their advice is totally useless, they have to give us viable advice.

TexasTornado · 07-10-2020 09:34PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah, you'll be alright.

Money isn't obviously a weekly issue for you.

Let's lockdown and drive most of us into financial difficulty again.

But hey, once you're alright.

I'd take you seriously but you've already proved you believe in Walter Mitty level theories about massaged case numbers.

Yeah so i'll leave you to it tbh.

s1ippy · 07-10-2020 09:35PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Anything to be said for closing the schools? Certainly wouldn't be a popular opinion but it's surely no longer a coincidence that cases have spiked since they've returned

niallo27 wrote: »

100%, everything was stable before they went back.

Mwengwe wrote: »

Close. The. Schools.

NPHET is in serious denial. From the presser:

s1ippy wrote: »

Q. Do we have a definitive number around covid 19 cases arising from schools?

A. They gave figures up to 28th September, 183 schools who had undergone mass testing.

18 schools and 9 childcare facilities had more than one linked case.

In many instances a case will have arisen through other activities in the community. It can be difficult to determine that the case occurred within the school setting.

Q. Is the fact that the numbers increased in the school aged group from 567pw at the end of August (age 5 - 14) to 1323 to 4th August (more than double) significant?

A. Glynn said the absolute number of cases across all age groups are increasing.

Q. Journo said if you look at the cohort it rises from 1.97% to 3.43% of all cases

A. 2-Friends Nolan leapt in to say that you can't just look at the raw numbers, the proportion of cases in children as a percentage of the age structure of the population. How much is each cohort contributing to the overall incidence which is growing quickly and the incidence in primary and secondary school children is growing more slowly than in the overall population.

Prof Numberwang is going to put together a big load of nonsense and present something to verify what they want to prove there with schools not being a driver of transmission, but good and all as he is on other fronts I'd say that modelling might as well go in the bin. He has been an absolute tosser for jiggery pokery with school numbers.

wadacrack wrote: »

The RO is below 1 with them open in Denmark. Think its important they stay open. People just need to adhere to the new guidelines in level 3. They maybe are enough to suppress the R rate below 1

Denmark and Ireland schools are not comparable places.

https://queenscitizen.ca/2020/09/13/no-masks-no-distance-schools-in-denmark-defy-covid-19-so-far-with-success/

Additional teachers were hired so that classes could be divided into three groups, with breaks variable, with each class assigned to specific toilets and, when possible, learning outside.

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 09:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So Donnelly & Martin both knew what was coming

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1313932669848293384?s=19

There is concern and their is ****en level 5 concern, when is he not concerned.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 07-10-2020 09:35PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah, you'll be alright.

Money isn't obviously a weekly issue for you.

Let's lockdown and drive most of us into financial difficulty again.

But hey, once you're alright.

Would you prefer 3 weeks of level 5 and then level 2 for 12 weeks or 3 weeks of level 3 followed by 6 weeks of level 5 followed by 3 weeks of level 3 and 3 weeks of level 2.

I saw one of the scientific types suggest that was the choice government made.

I've no idea how accurate it is but if level 3 doesn't work it could be the case.

I can imagine which one would have more of an effect on people's financial difficulty.

Mwengwe · 07-10-2020 09:36PM

manniot2 wrote: »

'the numbers are this high'. what is a high number in this context? if we had the same testing capacity back in march that we have now, wed have had 10 times the daily numbers back then. would make todays numbers seem tiny.

I don't know about that really. Sligo was practically Covid-free a few weeks ago - three business premises have had to close just today due to staff infection.

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 09:36PM

tom1ie wrote: »

?
NPHET are looking out for public health.

I really think its innaccurate to say this.

NPHET are concerned only with Covid. They have no concern for any other illnesses. There is worse more common illnesses than Covid.

Thats why cancer screening was suspended for months.

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 09:37PM

tom1ie wrote: »

?
NPHET are looking out for public health.
To be honest I think we are going middle of the road which suits no one.
We either shut the place down and go wuhan style to get to zero Covid, which I agree is ridiculous and won’t work
Or
We open up and trust the public to wear masks, SD and hand wash whilst protecting the vulnerable as best the vulnerable and the healthy can. Coupled with this we bring in a raft of powers for the Gardaí to fine people acting the bollix and hosting house parties.

I would be totally for your 2nd option, I think a lof of people would.

Jinglejangle69 · 07-10-2020 09:37PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

I'd take you seriously but you've already proved you believe in Walter Mitty level theories about massaged case numbers.

Yeah so i'll leave you to it tbh.

Can you link that?

podgeandrodge · 07-10-2020 09:38PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Present evidence that schools are the problem and we'll listen but you never do.

I haven't really any view on schools myself, but there seems to be varying degrees of concern about it.

For what it's worth, here's what the CDC say about schools and covid risks, which one is closest to Irish schools?:

Continuum of risk

By model of learning and implementation of proven mitigation strategies

In general, the risk of COVID-19 spread in schools increases across the continuum of virtual, hybrid, to in-person learning with the risk moderated for hybrid and in-person learning based upon the range of mitigation strategies put in place and the extent they are conscientiously followed.

While not exhaustive, this stratification attempts to characterize the risks of spread among students, teachers, and staff across this continuum:

Lowest risk:

Students and teachers engage in virtual-only classes, activities, and events

Some risk:

Hybrid Learning Model: Some students participate in virtual learning and other students participate in in-person learning
Small, in-person classes, activities, and events
Cohorting, alternating schedules, and staggered schedules are applied rigorously
No mixing of groups of students and teachers throughout/across school days
Students and teachers do not share objects
Students, teachers, and staff follow all steps to protect themselves and others at all times including proper use of face masks, social distancing, hand hygiene
Regularly scheduled (i.e., at least daily or between uses) cleaning and disinfection of frequently touched areas implemented with fidelity

Medium risk:

Hybrid Learning Model: Most students participate in in-person learning, some students participate in virtual learning
Larger in-person classes, activities, and events
Cohorting, alternating schedules, and staggered schedules are applied with some exceptions
Some mixing of groups of students and teachers throughout/across school days
Students and teachers minimally share objects
Students, teachers, and staff follow all steps to protect themselves and others such as proper use of face masks, social distancing, hand hygiene
Regularly scheduled cleaning and disinfection of frequently touched areas largely implemented with fidelity

Higher risk:

Students and teachers engage in in-person only learning, activities, and events
Students minimally mix between classes and activities
Students and teachers share some objects
Students, teachers, and staff follow some steps to protect themselves and others at all times such as proper use of face masks, social distancing, hand hygiene
Irregular cleaning and disinfection of frequently touched areas

Highest risk:

Students and teachers engage in in-person only learning, activities, and events
Students mix freely between classes and activities
Students and teachers freely share objects
Students, teachers, and staff do not/are not required to follow steps to protect themselves and others such as proper use of face masks, social distancing, hand hygiene
Irregular cleaning and disinfection of frequently touched areas

Russman · 07-10-2020 09:38PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah, you'll be alright.

Money isn't obviously a weekly issue for you.

Let's lockdown and drive most of us into financial difficulty again.

But hey, once you're alright.

But couldn’t that be said about the other side of the argument ?
“I don’t care how many die as long as I pay my bills”

Reality is nobody “wants” a lockdown, even NPHET, nobody likes the situation we’re all in, but it’s genuinely a once in several generations event. The benefits and upside of modern western living, travel, freedoms etc etc make spread of this disease so easy and we’re reluctant to put up with any inconvenience for any length of time. How that changes I’ve no idea.

Jim_Hodge · 07-10-2020 09:38PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah, you'll be alright.

Money isn't obviously a weekly issue for you.

Let's lockdown and drive most of us into financial difficulty again.

But hey, once you're alright.

Don't fall for the wind-up. He doesn't have to live with the consequences and seems oblivious to the cluster "$#€ in his own backyard.

mr_edge_to_you · 07-10-2020 09:39PM

This evenings developments might explain why the NPHET letter was leaked on Sunday night........

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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