Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 04:34PM

JDD wrote: »

Okay so I know nothing about this, but aren't we all descended from Neanderthals? Or are just Europeans descended from them? I'm embarrassed not to know this. I feel like this might be a white privilege thing where some part of history I assumed applied to everyone whereas in fact something completely different applies to African or Asian people.

Would this explain why covid has not ripped through Africa like we thought it would, or perhaps didn't rip through China (though I'm more likely to believe that china just suppressed the numbers) they way you'd expect in a really high density relatively low income nation?

More info, I posted last week. More prevalent in India by the looks of things.
https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1311287097806872577?s=20

TonyMaloney · 07-10-2020 04:34PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Just been informed my 1 year old nephew has been hospitalized as a covid case, only social circle his family has at the moment is his mother is a teacher and he goes to creche, thats it. But im sure he caught it in the pub or gaa too.

jesus sorry

hopefully they're just being very cautious

07-10-2020 04:35PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah would have to agree. More kids are probably symptom free so will not get tested etc. You just need a small amount to go under the radar. Hope they stay open. We need them too. MM really needs them too though.

This is poor speculation. So who knows. I'm just drawing lines. Feel free to draw your own.
First line holidays.
Second line, "latent taking the piss"
Third line schools.

Israel

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1313832224287010816?s=20

Correlation =/= causation

SusanC10 · 07-10-2020 04:36PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Just been informed my 1 year old nephew has been hospitalized as a covid case, only social circle his family has at the moment is his mother is a teacher and he goes to creche, thats it. But im sure he caught it in the pub or gaa too.

Wishing your nephew a speedy recovery.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 04:36PM

martingriff wrote: »

Ya its all the schools fault of this increase nothing else to look at folks!!!!!

Do you remember in march they closed the schools? Did you wonder why that might be?

martingriff · 07-10-2020 04:37PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Because working in a crowded classroom for 6-7 hours a day with no protection is vastly different to either of those

ya so much worse then doctor and nurses. A shop worker alsi be working that long in an enclosed area

MerlinSouthDub · 07-10-2020 04:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you remember in march they closed the schools? Did you wonder why that might be?

They closed the schools because:

1) we were not certain in March how dangerous the virus might be in children. We now know with certainty that it is much milder in children than in adults.
2) We did not know whether children could be superspreaders of the virus. We now know they are no more likely to spread than adults.

We have more information now, so take different decisions.

bodhrandude · 07-10-2020 04:38PM

Alcohol to be banned in pubs and bars for 16 days in Scotland, they seem to be taking the Circuit Breaker lockdown pretty seriously, pubs, bars and restaurants will be closed from 6 PM till 6 AM. https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/07/alcohol-to-be-banned-in-pubs-and-bars-for-16-days-in-scotland-13386023/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter&fbclid=IwAR2jGDCAoSDa6vZQePWSQzg21dTUwcv-BzMTa2CGjRbFbfAb4efa6Z2pTi8

JDD · 07-10-2020 04:39PM

martingriff wrote: »

Its true though regardless if you don't like it. The unions giving out why do we have to work when everyone is nor forgetting doctors nurses delevery/takeaway drivers .

Kids need structure and having school to go to in a good thing.

Plus there is a lot more people at a hell of a lot more risk

That's nonsense though. And that's coming from a parent who has a vested interest in keeping schools open.

Doctors and nurses volunteer to work with sick people, and are provided with PPE.

Delivery and takeaway drivers practice social distancing and are not in enclosed unventilated environments.

Shop workers have customers obliged to wear masks.

Factory workers are the only sector of society that are closely comparable - but again they are provided with PPE and there has been at least some efforts at making them social distance. Factory outbreaks are more likely linked to factory workers living together in cramped conditions than catching it on the job.

There is literally no profession in Ireland where the workers have been obliged to go to work with no PPE and no social distancing. That's a fact.

Nobody is denying that kids need structure and having schools open is a good thing. But you can't say, with a straight face, that any other sector of the population is at a higher risk of catching covid through their workplace - apart from HCW who have chosen to work with sick people.

martingriff · 07-10-2020 04:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you remember in march they closed the schools? Did you wonder why that might be?

Because things were very bad and they closed everything except grocery's off licences and takeways and the schools were part of that. It was not because of school kids giving the virus to everyone. Seriously are you trying to suggest that

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 04:41PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Alcohol to be banned in pubs and bars for 16 days in Scotland, they seem to be taking the Circuit Breaker lockdown pretty seriously, pubs, bars and restaurants will be closed from 6 PM till 6 AM. https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/07/alcohol-to-be-banned-in-pubs-and-bars-for-16-days-in-scotland-13386023/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter&fbclid=IwAR2jGDCAoSDa6vZQePWSQzg21dTUwcv-BzMTa2CGjRbFbfAb4efa6Z2pTi8

Not quite banned,
They can continue selling food and non-alcoholic drinks indoors until 6pm and are able to sell alcohol outside up until the 10pm curfew.

But in areas with particularly high coronavirus rates, all licenced premises apart from hotels will be forced to close both indoor and outdoor services, though can continue doing takeaways.

Icyseanfitz · 07-10-2020 04:42PM

martingriff wrote: »

ya so much worse then doctor and nurses. A shop worker alsi be working that long in an enclosed area

Yes even compared to doctors and nurses who have massive restrictions and safety measures put into their workplaces. Tell me shop where the employees have 30 people surrounding them at 0.6 meters distance. Have you been in a classroom or school this year out of interest?

Im not even going to bother replying to you again as its clear what your opinion of educators is, all just looking for time off.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 04:43PM

martingriff wrote: »

Because things were very bad and they closed everything except grocery's off licences and takeways and the schools were part of that. It was not because of school kids giving the virus to everyone. Seriously are you trying to suggest that

I don't know why they decided to close them. They never said but I don't remember them saying "Things are bad so we will close the schools?"

That doesn't make sense Martin. You'd hope there was some logic to that very serious decision.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 04:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Third line starts too early to have been schools. Would take at least 1.5 infection cycles to become apparent

Exactly. The increase end of July in this slide has been put down to opening up at the end of June.

There is a real strong agenda out there to blame schools and our kids for all of this. It is not representing the data correctly.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 04:46PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. The increase end of July in this slide has been put down to opening up at the end of June.

There is a real strong agenda out there to blame schools and our kids for all of this. It is not representing the data correctly.

Woah there.

No one is blaming anyone. Especially not kids and teachers. We need to stop blaming everyone. Jesus. Or at least stop saying everyone else is blaming someone else.

Sconsey · 07-10-2020 04:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not quite,
They can continue selling food and non-alcoholic drinks indoors until 6pm and are able to sell alcohol outside up until the 10pm curfew.

But in areas with particularly high coronavirus rates, all licenced premises apart from hotels will be forced to close both indoor and outdoor services, though can continue doing takeaways.

It's not even that, it is specultion based on a leaked report that may or may not be acted on. Click-bait shyte of a headline "Alcohol to be banned..". It should be "Report reccomends banning alcohol, no-one currently even confirming content of the report....".

s1ippy · 07-10-2020 04:47PM

martingriff wrote: »

ya so much worse then doctor and nurses. A shop worker alsi be working that long in an enclosed area

If you're behaving like a child in school when you go to a shop or hospital (not wearing a mask, touching surfaces, running around, coughing and sneezing into the air, breaching employees personal space and touching them) it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't be allowed to go to those places right now.

martingriff · 07-10-2020 04:47PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't know why they decided to close them. They never said but I don't remember them saying "Things are bad so we will close the schools?"

That doesn't make sense Martin. You'd hope there was some logic to that very serious decision.

They decided to close everything at that point except for the essentials. Schools were part of that as they taught kids may be more at risk another poster has posted this also. This has been proven false. These increases and the increases in March were not all because of schools

Blondini · 07-10-2020 04:48PM

There is an even stronger agenda out there NOT to blame schools for any of this. It is most definitely not representing the data correctly.

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 04:48PM

Sconsey wrote: »

It's not even that, it is specultion based on a leaked report that may or may not be acted on. Click-bait shyte of a headline "Alcohol to be banned..". It should be "Report reccomends banning alcohol, no-one currently even confirming content of the report....".

Sturgeon has announced it there in the last hour.

eagle eye · 07-10-2020 04:49PM

Deleted User wrote:

Was similar in Galway this morning on the M6. Luckily enough I was working from home today, but some people I work with were stuck for over an hour who were essential workers, who needed to be onsite, and got serious hassle at the checkpoints about their reason for going to work.

So they lost about ten minutes more than normal? I know what traffic is like there when it's busy.

Icyseanfitz · 07-10-2020 04:50PM

Blondini wrote: »

There is an even stronger agenda out there NOT to blame schools for any of this. It is most definitely not representing the data correctly.

Exactly, nothing about schools getting reported

Widdensushi · 07-10-2020 04:50PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Alcohol to be banned in pubs and bars for 16 days in Scotland, they seem to be taking the Circuit Breaker lockdown pretty seriously, pubs, bars and restaurants will be closed from 6 PM till 6 AM. https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/07/alcohol-to-be-banned-in-pubs-and-bars-for-16-days-in-scotland-13386023/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter&fbclid=IwAR2jGDCAoSDa6vZQePWSQzg21dTUwcv-BzMTa2CGjRbFbfAb4efa6Z2pTi8

So you are saying for the circuit breaker approach we need less restrictions?

07-10-2020 04:51PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So they lost about ten minutes more than normal? I know what traffic is like there when it's busy.

May have been 10 minutes more than what it was like in February, but there has been no 8am traffic issue coming off the motorway in Galway for 7 months

bob mcbob · 07-10-2020 04:51PM

Sconsey wrote: »

It's not even that, it is specultion based on a leaked report that may or may not be acted on. Click-bait shyte of a headline "Alcohol to be banned..". It should be "Report reccomends banning alcohol, no-one currently even confirming content of the report....".

Er no. The announcement was made in the Scottish Parliament this afternoon.

Bars and restaurants which sell alcohol to close for 16 days in the central belt (3.4M people) both inside and out.

Areas outside of the central belt can sell alcohol inside until 6 then outside until 10.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

Sconsey · 07-10-2020 04:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sturgeon has announced it there in the last hour.

Wow, I stand corrected.

caveat emptor · 07-10-2020 04:53PM

martingriff wrote: »

They decided to close everything at that point except for the essentials. Schools were part of that as they taught kids may be more at risk another poster has posted this also. This has been proven false. These increases and the increases in March were not all because of schools

I understand. Great that kids don't appear to be seriously ill (although there are exceptions as we've seen here).

We didn't know what effect schools being back would have on overall numbers. Given that there have been outbreaks in schools and it has spread to some of those communities we know that they are perfectly capable of spreading it symptomatically or asymptomatically.

We are still learning about this so shouldn't make assumptions as to what's causing the latest rise. According to public health in England largest number of outbreaks were in educational settings and within them highest number was in secondary schools. Of course could be different here but who knows.

https://twitter.com/karamballes/status/1313861217556066305?s=20

eagle eye · 07-10-2020 04:54PM

Boggles wrote:

Something significant must have happened at the end of August / Start of September.

Any thoughts?

Lots of children placed in badly ventilated rooms with adults?

Brianmwalker · 07-10-2020 04:54PM

bob mcbob wrote: »

Er no. The announcement was made in the Scottish Parliament this afternoon.

Bars and restaurants which sell alcohol to close for 16 days in the central belt (3.4M people) both inside and out.

Areas outside of the central belt can sell alcohol inside until 6 then outside until 10.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

And people still think we have draconian rules here lol

JDD · 07-10-2020 04:55PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. The increase end of July in this slide has been put down to opening up at the end of June.

There is a real strong agenda out there to blame schools and our kids for all of this. It is not representing the data correctly.

I think some of the motivation for the "its the schools!!" agenda comes from people with no kids who see it as a low hanging fruit where closing the schools will make no difference to their daily lives, and may leave pubs and football matches open; and from parents who have chosen to keep their children at home and are looking for justification for that decision.

My view is that opening schools is not the superspreader event people thought it might be, because I believe that asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic children do not spread the virus efficiently.

Yes, I know that there have been studies that came out in June that show that symptomatic children spread covid as efficiently as symptomatic adults. But remember, if you were a child that tested positive for covid between March and June, you would want to have had a very bad dose of it to even qualify for testing, so all that study showed is that children that suffer very badly from covid spread it as efficiently as adults do. Given there's hardly any children who fall into that category, I think teachers are relatively cushioned against catching covid in the classroom - more cushioned than a doctor or nurse, or a factory or warehouse worker, where big outbreaks have been so far.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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