Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Widdensushi · 07-10-2020 03:50PM

Maybe it's just my local primary school but they seem to have been preparing the children for online teaching this week, level 3 with the schools closed or part-time??

martingriff · 07-10-2020 03:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Did you look at the slope of the graph?

:pac:

Id did and I still would say its not the schools as I said cases were getting high before then and with that trend we would have seen what is happening. Has it some effect I am sure it had but not what you are suggesting. As I said kids have been mixing for months or 2 before that. ADULTS going back to college I say have had more

Roots 2020 · 07-10-2020 03:52PM

We may forget about Sweden at this stage, they're as relevant to us as New Zealand!

Sweden embarked on their plan at the start of March and it may very well be the correct one.

However we choose ours in March and are 7 mts into that. There's no changing horse mid stream. We have to deal with where our plan (similar to many countries' plans) leaves us now. Focus on where we're going rather than wasting time on what's irrelevant to us.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 03:53PM

martingriff wrote: »

Id did and I still would say its not the schools as I said cases were getting high before then and with that trend we would have seen what is happening. Has it some effect I am sure it had but not what you are suggesting. As I said kids have been mixing for months or 2 before that. ADULTS going back to college I say have had more

Offices also opened more in that time frame. I know my office started going back in August at reduced numbers.

martingriff · 07-10-2020 03:53PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Maybe it's just my local primary school but they seem to have been preparing the children for online teaching this week, level 3 with the schools closed or part-time??

No they know as practically everyone else does that a Level 5 is coming and are hoping they can get off also even though they are essential and the kids are staying

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 03:55PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

We may forget about Sweden at this stage, they're as relevant to us as New Zealand!

Sweden embarked on their plan at the start of March and it may very well be the correct one.

However we choose ours in March and are 7 mts into that. There's no changing horse mid stream. We have to deal with where our plan (similar to many countries' plans) leaves us now. Focus on where we're going rather than wasting time on what's irrelevant to us.

Sweden recognised that this was a marathon and not a sprint. They started off slow and steady whereas we sprinted off the line. Our stamina is waning now.

mloc123 · 07-10-2020 03:55PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

That is unbelievably high
Next highest in all fo Europe is Netherlands at 30 per 100,000

wtaf are they at up North? How is it spreading faster in the north than literally almost the entire world? It's literally probably the highest incidence rate on earth

Was up there in July and it was business as usual, packed pubs, no distancing, no masks and 1m spacing in cafes etc... I am not surprised at all with the numbers considering that was 3 months ago when down here adherence was still very strong.

dundalkfc10 · 07-10-2020 03:56PM

JDD wrote: »

Was at Carrickmines Park at lunchtime today. I've been there a few times on weekdays over the past couple of months, including the week after Woodies and other hardware stores opened.

Today was really quiet. We easily found a carparking space, which normally involves driving around for a few minutes (and are like golddust at the weekend). There were no queues outside any of the shops, even Smyths and Halfords which normally always have queues. The shops inside were pretty empty too.

Just an observation, and a snapshot in time. But maybe these Level 3.75 restrictions might be having an effect after all.

Wait till the weekend and all the youth with nothing to do will be roaming and having parties all over. I don't agree with it but how can you stop them. Gardaí have no powers too

martingriff · 07-10-2020 03:56PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Offices also opened more in that time frame. I know my office started going back in August at reduced numbers.

Oh I agree with you but I am a feeling the poster was trying to pin it all on schools and pubs. Though I be a bit more agreeable on some pubs. I gave an example where in my county the football champions had a wild night in there locals and one of the things that was done was the cup was filled up and passed around

is_that_so · 07-10-2020 03:58PM

Severe COVID cases may be linked to Neanderthal genes.

The research by the COVID-19 Host Genetics Initiative looked at over 3,000 people including both people who were hospitalized with severe COVID-19 and people who were infected by the virus but weren't hospitalized. It identified a region on chromosome 3 that influences whether a person infected with the virus will become severely ill and needs to be hospitalized.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200930/Genetic-heritage-from-Neanderthals-linked-to-severe-COVID-19.aspx

dundalkfc10 · 07-10-2020 03:58PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Was up there in July and it was business as usual, packed pubs, no distancing, no masks and 1m spacing in cafes etc... I am not surprised at all with the numbers considering that was 3 months ago when down here adherence was still very strong.

Same as was up end August and went to a wheterspoons for food as its well spaced out, well the smoking areas and surrounding pubs were heaving with students

ednwireland · 07-10-2020 03:58PM

JDD wrote: »

Was at Carrickmines Park at lunchtime today. I've been there a few times on weekdays over the past couple of months, including the week after Woodies and other hardware stores opened.

Today was really quiet. We easily found a carparking space, which normally involves driving around for a few minutes (and are like golddust at the weekend). There were no queues outside any of the shops, even Smyths and Halfords which normally always have queues. The shops inside were pretty empty too.

Just an observation, and a snapshot in time. But maybe these Level 3.75 restrictions might be having an effect after all.

the town i live in up here in donegal has got noticeably quieter this week, a lot less northern reg cars about. you can get parked on the street in the town during the day, car parks are half empty.

Roots 2020 · 07-10-2020 03:59PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Sweden recognised that this was a marathon and not a sprint. They started off slow and steady whereas we sprinted off the line. Our stamina is waning now.

Possibly.

Or they may have just got lucky

But the point I want to make is we're way too far into our 'plan' to be harking after their methodology.

Personally I think they got it right. And maybe you're right. Maybe it was good judgement. We seem to be a very reactionary people, maybe a little more calm was needed in early March.

martingriff · 07-10-2020 03:59PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Wait till the weekend and all the youth with nothing to do will be roaming and having parties all over. I don't agree with it but how can you stop them. Gardaí have no powers too

Well the powers the Gardai would need to stop parties and not been brought in as a whole lot of people saw the draconian and trample on freedoms. I agree Gardai need more powers or all that they could do is sit in there cars at checkpoints and let everyone away.

In fairness unless you are a complete idiot you can get around them by going ya I am going to x as I have to mind a family member or I am going to or from work

07-10-2020 04:01PM

JDD wrote: »

Was at Carrickmines Park at lunchtime today. I've been there a few times on weekdays over the past couple of months, including the week after Woodies and other hardware stores opened.

Today was really quiet. We easily found a carparking space, which normally involves driving around for a few minutes (and are like golddust at the weekend). There were no queues outside any of the shops, even Smyths and Halfords which normally always have queues. The shops inside were pretty empty too.

Just an observation, and a snapshot in time. But maybe these Level 3.75 restrictions might be having an effect after all.

I think the events of the weekend will have sharpened minds regardless of any change in what people are technically allowed to do, and that's more important than restrictions.

Boggles · 07-10-2020 04:01PM

martingriff wrote: »

Id did and I still would say its not the schools as I said cases were getting high before then and with that trend we would have seen what is happening. Has it some effect I am sure it had but not what you are suggesting. As I said kids have been mixing for months or 2 before that. ADULTS going back to college I say have had more

I don't remember any reports of 35 kids mixing in someones house and then 100s more outside at break time.

I just posted the data.

The positivity rate has almost quadrupled since the schools reopened.

I am merely suggesting maybe we up our surveillance there.

Or maybe sticking 1.1 million humans indoors into cramped poorly ventilated buildings has absolutely nothing to do with the quadrupling of the positivity rate and it's all just a big coincidence.

I have a hunch NPHET may longer feel the need to "shield" certain data though.

Just a hunch.

JDD · 07-10-2020 04:01PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

We may forget about Sweden at this stage, they're as relevant to us as New Zealand!

Sweden embarked on their plan at the start of March and it may very well be the correct one.

However we choose ours in March and are 7 mts into that. There's no changing horse mid stream. We have to deal with where our plan (similar to many countries' plans) leaves us now. Focus on where we're going rather than wasting time on what's irrelevant to us.

Sweden have done 164,000 tests per million of population.

Ireland have done 246,000 tests per million of population.

Therefore Sweden have only done two thirds of the testing we have done. Had they done as much testing as us, their 14 day incidence rates might be much higher and the colours on that map for Sweden might be much darker.

You can't compare Ireland with the UK or Sweden or France or anywhere really unless the parameters for testing are the same.

Roots 2020 · 07-10-2020 04:02PM

I think at the end of the day it all boils down to a poor health service that we've had since 1922 to improve and never really sorted.

Even Cuba could do far better.

mloc123 · 07-10-2020 04:03PM

Boggles wrote: »

The positivity rate has almost quadrupled since the schools reopened.

I am merely suggesting maybe we up our surveillance there.

And yet the 0-14 age group is the lowest number of cases every day...

Roots 2020 · 07-10-2020 04:04PM

JDD wrote: »

Sweden have done 164,000 tests per million of population.

Ireland have done 246,000 tests per million of population.

Therefore Sweden have only done two thirds of the testing we have done. Had they done as much testing as us, their 14 day incidence rates might be much higher and the colours on that map for Sweden might be much darker.

You can't compare Ireland with the UK or Sweden or France or anywhere really unless the parameters for testing are the same.

Going by Sweden's death rate you can. Presume we can trust that? Maybe not..time will tell. It could be 5 years before all the data is out.

07-10-2020 04:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

Growth of Positive Rate.

Something significant must have happened at the end of August / Start of September.

Any thoughts?

Peoples holidays all over the country finished, with people returning to their local area,combined with an increase in cases associated with Travel in the last two weeks of August.

Roots 2020 · 07-10-2020 04:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Severe COVID cases may be linked to Neanderthal genes.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200930/Genetic-heritage-from-Neanderthals-linked-to-severe-COVID-19.aspx

Would explain certain people getting it!

Real Donald Trump · 07-10-2020 04:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Finland and Norway be like

Look at the countries above them on that list that had strict lockdowns. How are they doing now in comparison ?

Boggles · 07-10-2020 04:05PM

mloc123 wrote: »

And yet the 0-14 age group is the lowest number of cases every day...

Yeah, they are the least likely to be tested.

Also the vast majority of the population are not 0-14.

Boggles · 07-10-2020 04:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Peoples holidays all over the country finished, with people returning to their local area,combined with a in crease in cases associated with Travel in the last two weeks of August.

Or it's the glaring obvious one.

JDD · 07-10-2020 04:07PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

Going by Sweden's death rate you can. Presume we can trust that? Maybe not..time will tell. It could be 5 years before all the data is out.

Even then it's hard to trust the data. I'm not sure what Sweden's parameters are for categorising a covid death, but I know Florida came into some flack for fact that they have had a large increase in deaths from pnuemonia in elderly people over the summer, that were somehow not tested for covid.

EDIT: Even if you had two countries who were testing at the same rate, mass testing the same areas of the economy (factories, nursing homes etc), and had the same age profile of infections, even then you couldn't say "oh why do they have less restrictions than us, and their infection rate is higher than ours, our government are just being too conservative and are not concerned about people's livelihoods" because the second country could have a higher capacity in their hospitals to deal with the larger number of infections.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-10-2020 04:08PM

mloc123 wrote: »

And yet the 0-14 age group is the lowest number of cases every day...

Totally. I reckon school children are being tested more too. I know the test centres are full of kids with sniffles yet they completely under index on cases

martingriff · 07-10-2020 04:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't remember any reports of 35 kids mixing in someones house and then 100s more outside at break time.

I just posted the data.

The positivity rate has almost quadrupled since the schools reopened.

I am merely suggesting maybe we up our surveillance there.

Or maybe sticking 1.1 million humans indoors into cramped poorly ventilated buildings has absolutely nothing to do with the quadrupling of the positivity rate and it's all just a big coincidence.

I have a hunch NPHET may longer feel the need to "shield" certain data though.

Just a hunch.

Then you certainly have not been in any city/ town or shopping centre then as yes kids and been hanging around in large number.

I never said it should not be monitored or they were no cases but it is not as big as you are trying to make it

MerlinSouthDub · 07-10-2020 04:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

Or it's the glaring obvious one.

What is your theory for the fact that young adults have had the highest increase in infection rates? This group are unlikely to have kids in school. Interested in your thoughts.

Zebra3 · 07-10-2020 04:09PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Instead of checkpoints Gards need to smash these morons.

Blondini wrote: »

I've love to see a big shovel-handed garda give one of those cabbages a big dirty shlap.

Great to see the violence loving extremists out and about again. :rolleyes:

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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