Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 01:38PM

pauldry wrote: »

I know Ill be ridiculed for saying this but I honestly think

1. The peak is being reached and by November numbers will be lower not in thousands like NPHET say.

2. Closing pubs and restaurants is a huge factor in supressing this virus. I dont care if no one believes this or says Im boring or what about all the jobs. Its the truth. Pubs were allowed open (even with food) and it is NOT a safe environment AT ALL. I said this to people a few weeks back and they all said "God you are such a killjoy"

I want the virus gone. Opening pubs and restaurants spreads it like wildfire.

Leave all pubs and restaurants closed until there is a vaccine.

Restaurants were open most of summer and pubs serving food and the numbers continued to descrease and then we opened the schools and everything went crazy. You could argue for normal pubs to keep them shut but shutting restaurants is absoulte stupidty.

TCDStudent1 · 07-10-2020 01:38PM

pauldry wrote: »

I know Ill be ridiculed for saying this but I honestly think

1. The peak is being reached and by November numbers will be lower not in thousands like NPHET say.

2. Closing pubs and restaurants is a huge factor in supressing this virus. I dont care if no one believes this or says Im boring or what about all the jobs. Its the truth. Pubs were allowed open (even with food) and it is NOT a safe environment AT ALL. I said this to people a few weeks back and they all said "God you are such a killjoy"

I want the virus gone. Opening pubs and restaurants spreads it like wildfire.

Leave all pubs and restaurants closed until there is a vaccine.

I think NPHET's figures are based on staying as we were. By going to level 3, that will automatically adjust NPHET's figures (assuming there is compliance).

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 01:39PM

Unbelievable, fairly sure they'll all be waved through

https://twitter.com/ocor1/status/1313791237078515712?s=19

niallo27 · 07-10-2020 01:40PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

There's not a chance of indoor dining before late February

Based on what exactly, thats 5 months away.

ZX7R · 07-10-2020 01:41PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Wonder how many get this. Blast from the past!

Loved that program...
Most might know him in Star trek Enterprise

Zebra3 · 07-10-2020 01:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unbelievable, fairly sure they'll all be waved through

https://twitter.com/ocor1/status/1313791237078515712?s=19

Adding more costs to struggling businesses.

Creating more air pollution.

:rolleyes:

bennyl10 · 07-10-2020 01:42PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Jesus, one poster says March, another one April now it's gone to May or June, won't be much of a economy left at stage.

the hospitality economy isnt going to be a thing from now until late spring.

that is simply a fact. it will need to be rebuilt form the ground up

bb1234567 · 07-10-2020 01:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Based on what exactly, thats 5 months away.

Based on the fact we can't even keep numbers down during warm weather, what chance is there of any normality when we are all indoors in unventilated spaces during cold weather, add in the fact that with more limited hospital capacity in winter restrictions will also veer on the more conservative side than what was allowed during the summer.

mr zulu · 07-10-2020 01:43PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

the hospitality economy isnt going to be a thing from now until late spring.

that is simply a fact. it will need to be rebuilt form the ground up

Won't be many left to rebuild, I'm afraid.

Spanish Eyes · 07-10-2020 01:45PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

There's not a chance of indoor dining before early Spring

As somebody who naively thought this would all be mostly over by late summer even I can see that

Im not sure, but it would appear that hotel guests (residents) will not have to eat and drink outside.

Anyone know if that is correct?

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 01:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Based on what exactly, thats 5 months away.

Im basing it on the logic that the restrictions were so slow to be realased last June/July when there was excess capacity in hospitals. I dont know what metric was being used then

I assume the metric they are concerned with is hospital capacity now, which is always at maximum capacity during Winter/Spring.

Applying that logic, we are where we are until next Summer.

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 01:47PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Im not sure, but it would appear that hotel guests (residents) will not have to eat and drink outside.

Anyone know if that is correct?

Are most hotels not closed?

I was told one hotel I tried to book tonight was closed as county travel is prohibited

07-10-2020 01:47PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im basing it on the logic that the restrictions were so slow to be realased last June/July when there was excess capacity in hospitals. I dont know what metric was being used then

I assume the metric they are concerned with is hospital capacity now, which is always at maximum capacity during Winter/Spring.

Applying that logic, we are where we are until next Summer.

Unfortunately, I think that is true. Our strategy now with be 100% driven by ICU capacity, That fills up, and we are at level 5

bennyl10 · 07-10-2020 01:48PM

mr zulu wrote: »

Won't be many left to rebuild, I'm afraid.

so you restart a new.

with cases rising, and our seeming necessity to keep schools open then hospitality will fall

billybonkers · 07-10-2020 01:48PM

How long will they keep the checkpoints in place?

Fairly easy to avoid that stretch of N7 and skip it

rob316 · 07-10-2020 01:48PM

Checkpoints are needed in the evenings and weekends not during working hours. There is no point stopping artic trucks and people going about there work day ffs.

Graces7 · 07-10-2020 01:48PM

seamus wrote: »

A paper out of UCLA yesterday suggested that a lot of the long-term effects of Covid that people are talking about - fatigue, aches, insomnia, lack of focus - could possibly be a form of PTSD and not lingering effects of the virus;
https://www.uclahealth.org/brain-fog-following-covid-19-recovery-may-indicate-ptsd#:~:text=A%20new%20report%20suggests%20that,such%20as%20SARS%20and%20MERS.

When you consider how random these long-term effects appear to be and that many people recover completely in weeks while others report being affected for months, then PTSD definitely seems like a worthwhile issue to look at.

Have a look at rte online where some of these cases are described. This is classic CFS/ME caused by a virus and if you look at M.E Association and Action for M.E :this was expected.

And for months read probably years. And yes random. Some folk are affected, others not. I caught a flu over 50 years ago and it led to what the sufferers have now and it has never healed.

SO they are right in that this is not covid… but it is caused by covid not a continuation of it and it is not psychological .

But medical profession largely tends not to believe CFS/ME is a real physical illness so papers like this do not surprise.

Alternate name is Post Viral Fatigue Syndrome

NB on a basic system here so cannot post links

titan18 · 07-10-2020 01:49PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Im not sure, but it would appear that hotel guests (residents) will not have to eat and drink outside.

Anyone know if that is correct?

I thought hotel bars and restaurants were to close too

bb1234567 · 07-10-2020 01:49PM

Netherlands has by far the highest incident rate in Europe now, almost 300 per million today

mr zulu · 07-10-2020 01:49PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are most hotels not closed?

I was told one hotel I tried to book tonight was closed as county travel is prohibited

Yes, the hotel where I work was booked out this month, all cancelled now, hotel now shut down.

Feria40 · 07-10-2020 01:49PM

I know that Michael McDowell is a very polarising figure but I thought this was an excellent summation of events around NPHET in the Irish Times today:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/michael-mcdowell-nphet-allowed-get-too-big-for-its-boots-1.4373734?mode=amp

It might be subscriber only but you can still listen to the audio, about 5 minutes in total

is_that_so · 07-10-2020 01:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Restaurants were open most of summer and pubs serving food and the numbers continued to descrease and then we opened the schools and everything went crazy. You could argue for normal pubs to keep them shut but shutting restaurants is absoulte stupidty.

It's much more than schools, it's many other things. A whole lot more travel internally and abroad, communions, funerals, house parties, dinner parties, GAA & soccer clubs, people not isolating, contacts not isolating. Even if schools are a vector the intense focus on them suggests that cases can be identified and isolated a lot faster than elsewhere.

weldoninhio · 07-10-2020 01:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Im not sure, but it would appear that hotel guests (residents) will not have to eat and drink outside.

Anyone know if that is correct?

Hotels are for essential workers only now afaik.

Spanish Eyes · 07-10-2020 01:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are most hotels not closed?

I was told one hotel I tried to book tonight was closed as county travel is prohibited

Not sure, but you can still stay in a hotel within your county. Might be worthwhile for a break down the road :P

alentejo · 07-10-2020 01:50PM

The more lockdowns you have, the more fines and punitive measures you will need to take. We could be like a police state at the end of this.

MarkY91 · 07-10-2020 01:52PM

pauldry wrote: »

I know Ill be ridiculed for saying this but I honestly think

1. The peak is being reached and by November numbers will be lower not in thousands like NPHET say.

2. Closing pubs and restaurants is a huge factor in supressing this virus. I dont care if no one believes this or says Im boring or what about all the jobs. Its the truth. Pubs were allowed open (even with food) and it is NOT a safe environment AT ALL. I said this to people a few weeks back and they all said "God you are such a killjoy"

I want the virus gone. Opening pubs and restaurants spreads it like wildfire.

Leave all pubs and restaurants closed until there is a vaccine.

But people being able to go to the pub in their little group, safely distanced from other groups is so much better than them ending up at a house party all mixing together..no? If you give people no choice then they will have fun either way. Their only choice is a house party.

Edit: the issue with pubs open in my opinion is the very small amount of scum owners like the people running Berlin bar. They should open the bars but promise HEFTY fines to any bar not following the rules.

Hulk Hands · 07-10-2020 01:52PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

More Leo lies.....

https://twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1313735137599918080?s=20

Are any of those countries 'western Europe'? You could argue Norway/Germany at a push, depsite Germany commonly been seen as the centre-ground between east & west. He even specifically mentioned Portugal as being lower on CB. Nonsense tweets

is_that_so · 07-10-2020 01:52PM

billybonkers wrote: »

How long will they keep the checkpoints in place?

Fairly easy to avoid that stretch of N7 and skip it

As long as we are in Levels 3-5.

patnor1011 · 07-10-2020 01:56PM

alentejo wrote: »

The more lockdowns you have, the more fines and punitive measures you will need to take. We could be like a police state at the end of this.

Nah. The first lockdown was observed as people expected millions to die worldwide. Did not happen and now people are slowly getting tired of this situation.
Any attempt of level 5 nonsense again and you will have people in the streets.

Paddygreen · 07-10-2020 01:59PM

alentejo wrote: »

The more lockdowns you have, the more fines and punitive measures you will need to take. We could be like a police state at the end of this.

I hope so. Societies work better when people know their place, The People’s Republic of China is a great example we could emulate, it would fit like a glove now that we have basically a one party state in all but name. Of course fines will need to be thought of to keep people in line, who is afraid of a dog with no teeth?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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