Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Jucifer · 07-10-2020 06:11AM

Strumms wrote: »

100% A clinical/psychological evaluation is the only way to diagnose a person with a medical or mental health issue.

I can’t rock up to my best mate tomorrow and say.... “I am depressed”. Nor can I say “I have heart disease”.. in both scenarios I’ll need the view of a qualified practitioner following a consultation / examination.

“Im so depressed”

“I have heart disease”

“I have asthma”

You have none of those illnesses unless you are diagnosed by a currently qualified psychologist, doctor etc.... if they TELL you that you are depressed or suffering from cancer or asthma then you have been diagnosed with those conditions.

If you haven’t been and are feeling unwell, seek help. But let’s not kid ourselves too many people are using the mental heath angle, in particular as it relates to covid so they may absolve themselves and others around from having to be a team player.

I wouldn’t be as dismissive. People who have went through and were treated for actual depression are saying that talking about it helps as well as many other actions such as staying physically active, engaging in social activities.

I think a lot of the movement towards open discussion of mental health issues is positive. It is widely discussed and accepted people should look after their physical health. What is the problem with having the same level of discussion around mental health.

Eating crappy food and not exercising can cause physical health issues. Social isolation and bottling up anxieties or bad feelings can cause mental health issues. And of course there will be plenty of people that use mental health discussions for their own agenda. That doesn’t mean we should go back to not talking about it.

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 06:34AM

Jucifer wrote: »

I wouldn’t be as dismissive. People who have went through and were treated for actual depression are saying that talking about it helps as well as many other actions such as staying physically active, engaging in social activities.

I think a lot of the movement towards open discussion of mental health issues is positive. It is widely discussed and accepted people should look after their physical health. What is the problem with having the same level of discussion around mental health.

Eating crappy food and not exercising can cause physical health issues. Social isolation and bottling up anxieties or bad feelings can cause mental health issues. And of course there will be plenty of people that use mental health discussions for their own agenda. That doesn’t mean we should go back to not talking about it.

Said poster previously has been and still is dismissive of anything to do with mental health.
Claims to have a partner working in the area and one of the children she sees he described as "A needy little bollóx". Whatever that child's issues are thats absolutely no way to describe anyone who might have mental health issues, but anyway I digress from subject matter.

2 close friends of mine are very much struggling with mental health at the moment, I'd never have imaged they would struggle but you never know how someone else is feeling when they're job is gone, there's bills to pay and a family to provide for.

1 tried to go to the GP, GP just said I'll refer you on but waiting lists mean it could be a year before you hear back.
The other was given a prescription from her GP and thats it, can't refer you on the service is overwhelmed.

So it's quite clear that despite people saying oh go and get a diagnosis, services are and will be difficult to access despite coming forward to ask for help.

Luckily both of my friends have a good support network in their own families and our own circle of friends which going forward will fingers crossed help them overcome their issues.

Some people throw mental health around like its nothing & use it as an excuse, while others dismiss it straight away because your not being a "team player". I feel its still very much a taboo subject in Ireland.

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 06:45AM

So Garda checkpoints and operation Fanacht kicked back in at midnight, the commissioner warned of serious traffic disruption.

Well guess what in Dublin this morning the vast majority of checkpoints are on outbound routes, the reason given, to avoid major tailbacks into Dublin.

Fakediamond · 07-10-2020 06:48AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't think we're ever going to eradicate this virus by social distancing and closing down the economy, so why don't we just keep the over sixty fives and vulnerable safe at home, and let the virus wash over the rest of us like a tsunami....

Let the virus run its course unopposed?

Most of us would survive & be alright, wouldn't we?
Devil's advocate.

Well most people would I suppose. But it’s not just the old and vulnerable who require hospitalisation so the hospitals would be overrun in no time. Have we already forgotten the scenes from New York hospitals at their peak, with people dying in the queue outside and all the refrigerated trucks lined up for the dead. They had to shut down New York City, who would have imagined that would ever happen?

Denny61 · 07-10-2020 07:00AM

Only check points in the country will be on arterial roads leading in and out of cities
The rest will be a free for all .its a farce.roll on level 5 as cases will spiral out of control

TexasTornado · 07-10-2020 07:04AM

I see a lot of posters with another agenda using the mental health angle to criticise everything the government does. It's a consistent theme from the usual suspects.

dodzy · 07-10-2020 07:09AM

Denny61 wrote: »

Only check points in the country will be on arterial roads leading in and out of cities
The rest will be a free for all .its a farce.roll on level 5 as cases will spiral out of control

and then what, pray tell? Stay there indefinitely?

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 07:09AM

Decent read if anyone has a few minutes to spare.

Interesting line I thought, given some called it last week that seeing as CMO was returning he might try it.

"Government believed chief medical officer Tony Holohan was trying to bounce it into a lockdown, and they weren’t having it.

“Tony thinks it’s still March. But it’s not. The context has changed,” said one insider.

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1313721099419627521?s=19

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 07:13AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

I see a lot of posters with another agenda using the mental health angle to criticise everything the government does. It's a consistent theme from the usual suspects.

And what agenda might that be ??

If your going to suggest it at least say what it is.

No agenda on my part simply concern for friends I've known for years who are struggling, have tried to access health services and can't, while some dismiss mental health issues as not taking one for the team, which is a disgusting comment.

Easy for people to brush off these issues if they've no impact on themselves or those around them

screamer · 07-10-2020 07:15AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well guess what in Dublin this morning the vast majority of checkpoints are on outbound routes, the reason given, to avoid major tailbacks into Dublin.

An awful lot of employers are not allowing people to work from home anymore, even though they could well do their job from home. My spouse has said the traffic to Dublin every morning has been busier and busier and are almost back to pre Covid levels now. Restrictions won’t help to curtail the infection rates when people don’t follow them, and half the country commutes to Dublin for work.

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 07:18AM

screamer wrote: »

An awful lot of employers are not allowing people to work from home anymore, even though they could well do their job from home. My spouse has said the traffic to Dublin every morning has been busier and busier and are almost back to pre Covid levels now. Restrictions won’t help to curtail the infection rates when people don’t follow them, and half the country commutes to Dublin for work.

Yeah traffic is Dublin city is fairly normal. Have been in the office myself a bit recently for work that can't be done from home but had heard more employers were still asking people to come in. Mind boggling that some employers are asking people to come in when they can work from home.

Admittedly though traffic on the way in this morning seemed lighter than yesterday anyway

07-10-2020 07:24AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Decent read if anyone has a few minutes to spare.

Interesting line I thought, given some called it last week that seeing as CMO was returning he might try it.

"Government believed chief medical officer Tony Holohan was trying to bounce it into a lockdown, and they weren’t having it.

“Tony thinks it’s still March. But it’s not. The context has changed,” said one insider.

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1313721099419627521?s=19

Good article, definitely worth a read.

Goldrickssan · 07-10-2020 07:24AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So Garda checkpoints and operation Fanacht kicked back in at midnight, the commissioner warned of serious traffic disruption.

Well guess what in Dublin this morning the vast majority of checkpoints are on outbound routes, the reason given, to avoid major tailbacks into Dublin.

With no powers of enforcement, other than guilt trips, this strikes me as a massive waste of money.

manniot2 · 07-10-2020 07:27AM

Ficheall wrote: »

Presumably by people who didn't know anyone who was in an actual nursing home during this mess.

Are any of them in the White House actually sick?

manniot2 · 07-10-2020 07:31AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

It's amazing how much faith and belief some people have in high ranking civil servants in the department of health and officials of the HSE, while at the same time bemoaning the dreadful management of investments in our health service in the last 20-30 years.

Yes I cannot understand it. Also over the last 6 months the blind faith in politicians when less than 9 months ago the whole country nearly voted SF.

prunudo · 07-10-2020 07:39AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

I see a lot of posters with another agenda using the mental health angle to criticise everything the government does. It's a consistent theme from the usual suspects.

Is this the angle of the day, fishing for bites as usual.
I would say certain posters probably contribute to some posters feeling down and anxious.

07-10-2020 07:45AM

Strumms wrote: »

100% A clinical/psychological evaluation is the only way to diagnose a person with a medical or mental health issue.

I can’t rock up to my best mate tomorrow and say.... “I am depressed”. Nor can I say “I have heart disease”.. in both scenarios I’ll need the view of a qualified practitioner following a consultation / examination.

“Im so depressed”

“I have heart disease”

“I have asthma”

You have none of those illnesses unless you are diagnosed by a currently qualified psychologist, doctor etc.... if they TELL you that you are depressed or suffering from cancer or asthma then you have been diagnosed with those conditions.

If you haven’t been and are feeling unwell, seek help. But let’s not kid ourselves too many people are using the mental heath angle, in particular as it relates to covid so they may absolve themselves and others around from having to be a team player.

There is a difference between saying I am depressed and I have depression, however People can recognise the symptoms of depression in themselves or others and seek help without getting diagnosed with clinical depression by a psychologist or medical doctor.

Jinglejangle69 · 07-10-2020 07:49AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Yes I cannot understand it. Also over the last 6 months the blind faith in politicians when less than 9 months ago the whole country nearly voted SF.

The whole country???????

Eh.

screamer · 07-10-2020 07:55AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Are any of them in the White House actually sick?

Sick or sick in the head????
Supposedly old flotus herself has a cough and a headache ( mind you I’d have a headache too being stuck with the Donald) I don’t know about the rest of them.

titan18 · 07-10-2020 07:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a difference between saying I am depressed and I have depression, however People can recognise the symptoms of depression in themselves or others and seek help without getting diagnosed with clinical depression by a psychologist or medical doctor.

As someone who's actually clinically depressed, along with an anxiety disorder, since I was 15 (31 now), it always annoys me at those who just say that they're depressed. They're not even close to the same thing and it actually trivialises clinical depression as everyone is like ah, i was depressed once, and i was grand, snap out of it.

beggars_bush · 07-10-2020 07:58AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

With no powers of enforcement, other than guilt trips, this strikes me as a massive waste of money.

Where is the money being spent?

stephenjmcd · 07-10-2020 07:59AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where is the money being spent?

Overtime to man the checkpoints

Goldrickssan · 07-10-2020 08:00AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where is the money being spent?

Well setting up 132 checkpoints around the country isn't fecking cheap. And it takes resources away from actual crime prevention. They are going to be glorified lollipop men - tell me how that's not a waste of money.

suicide_circus · 07-10-2020 08:03AM

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is stopped at one one the checkpoints, what are the guards actually saying to folk?

Goldrickssan · 07-10-2020 08:04AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is stopped at one one the checkpoints, what are the guards actually saying to folk?

They ask where you're going, if you say you're leaving the county they just say the advice is not to travel and you should turn back.

Then nothing. Just an awkward silence as you drive away

amadangomor · 07-10-2020 08:06AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So Garda checkpoints and operation Fanacht kicked back in at midnight, the commissioner warned of serious traffic disruption.

Well guess what in Dublin this morning the vast majority of checkpoints are on outbound routes, the reason given, to avoid major tailbacks into Dublin.

People going into Dublin at 6/7am aren't going in for any other reason than working.

Would be stupid to check them and cause traffic chaos.

Hamsterchops · 07-10-2020 08:07AM

Fakediamond wrote: »

Well most people would I suppose. But it’s not just the old and vulnerable who require hospitalisation so the hospitals would be overrun in no time. Have we already forgotten the scenes from New York hospitals at their peak, with people dying in the queue outside and all the refrigerated trucks lined up for the dead. They had to shut down New York City, who would have imagined that would ever happen?

I tend to agree with you, but its hard to know what to do, I already suggested a short sharp shock (level 5 now) for a short term, then ease up restrictions before Christmas, but that didn't go down well either.
I see on the Sky News website today that they discuss the "Great Barrington Declaration", which sounds very grandiose, but I think it just means herd immunity ???
North East of England has it very bad.

Link: http://news.sky.com/story/scientists-and-politicians-split-over-how-to-tackle-rising-covid-infections-as-northern-leaders-say-restrictions-are-not-working-12096597

Benimar · 07-10-2020 08:08AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

With no powers of enforcement, other than guilt trips, this strikes me as a massive waste of money.

There is probably an argument that the cost could come out of the Government PR budget, because that’s all this is, a PR exercise.

‘Oh look, we are enforcing the guidance’..ye are in my Swiss!

tigger123 · 07-10-2020 08:08AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/super-checkpoints-will-cause-major-traffic-congestion-harris-warns-1.4373964?mode=amp

Very clever idea; essentially the Gaurds are going to inconvenience people until they comply with the restrictions.

SeaBreezes · 07-10-2020 08:08AM

Hardyn wrote: »

Don't suppose you have anything to back this up?

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-covid-19-study-reveals-that-sars-cov-2-uses-cd4-cells-to-infect-t-helper-lymphocytes--covid-19-a-potent-version-of-airborne-hiv

The headline is click bait but the studies showing what it does to the immune system are the worry.
For kids no worries they can create new cells

But adults? Could be trouble over time.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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