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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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    #92
    SusanC10
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    morebabies wrote: »
    I don't understand why the media is colluding with the government by not reporting on outbreaks in schools. Why? Where is the impartial reporting on the actual news?

    I know of a local school with 10 pupils in a class infected. Does that not deserve a mention? Why not? Is it because it undermines the government narrative that schools are controlled environments and students aren't super spreaders?

    So frustrating. I know young people and children statistically get milder symptoms but their teachers, the school staff, their families?

    If you look at the hundreds of schools listed in the Facebook group, "Alerting parents of outbreaks in schools"... I'm at a loss.

    Why would the media support government propaganda?

    I agree with you on this. And I don't understand it either.


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    #93
    eviltwin
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    morebabies wrote: »
    I don't understand why the media is colluding with the government by not reporting on outbreaks in schools. Why? Where is the impartial reporting on the actual news?

    I know of a local school with 10 pupils in a class infected. Does that not deserve a mention? Why not? Is it because it undermines the government narrative that schools are controlled environments and students aren't super spreaders?

    So frustrating. I know young people and children statistically get milder symptoms but their teachers, the school staff, their families?

    If you look at the hundreds of schools listed in the Facebook group, "Alerting parents of outbreaks in schools"... I'm at a loss.

    Why would the media support government propaganda?

    I can't understand it myself. Unless they are afraid a large outbreak will cause mass panic or something.

    There is a schools must stay open at all costs mentality. Where is that coming from and why?


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    #94
    TexasTornado
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    morebabies wrote: »
    I don't understand why the media is colluding with the government by not reporting on outbreaks in schools. Why? Where is the impartial reporting on the actual news?

    I know of a local school with 10 pupils in a class infected. Does that not deserve a mention? Why not? Is it because it undermines the government narrative that schools are controlled environments and students aren't super spreaders?

    So frustrating. I know young people and children statistically get milder symptoms but their teachers, the school staff, their families?

    If you look at the hundreds of schools listed in the Facebook group, "Alerting parents of outbreaks in schools"... I'm at a loss.

    Why would the media support government propaganda?

    The media rely on advertising for income. Advertisers want the country back open so they can sell their clients products.

    Schools are fine, they have a magical force field that protects everyone once you enter the gates.


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    #95
    khalessi
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    morebabies wrote: »
    I don't understand why the media is colluding with the government by not reporting on outbreaks in schools. Why? Where is the impartial reporting on the actual news?

    Why would the media support government propaganda?

    I reckon it is because there is no back up plan. They had 6 months to come up with something and didnt. Instead of sticking to the plan and reopening schools on a phased basis, they threw out the plan and replaced it with a new one where they reopened them en masse.

    The government cannot risk being found in the wrong. THey already have made a number of cockups since coming to power and this would be another in an ever increasing list. The backlash would be fierce.

    As the saying goes it is in the national interest. If people knew the real story of what is going on in schools there would be uproar, better to say nothing and apologise afterwards.


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    #96
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    it will take one death and the whole thing will come crumbling around them, disregard for persons safety etc etc...it will come out soon I think.

    But then look at the governments collusion with banks, the church etc etc.


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    #97
    The_Brood
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    morebabies wrote: »
    I don't understand why the media is colluding with the government by not reporting on outbreaks in schools. Why? Where is the impartial reporting on the actual news?

    I know of a local school with 10 pupils in a class infected. Does that not deserve a mention? Why not? Is it because it undermines the government narrative that schools are controlled environments and students aren't super spreaders?

    So frustrating. I know young people and children statistically get milder symptoms but their teachers, the school staff, their families?

    If you look at the hundreds of schools listed in the Facebook group, "Alerting parents of outbreaks in schools"... I'm at a loss.

    Why would the media support government propaganda?

    It's outrageous but the answer unfortunately is very obvious - the media, like pretty much all industries, has many working parents who can't function with their children at home. So they will preach about closing other businesses and sacrificing livelihoods for "the sake of the public's health," but will refuse to face up to the facts that what is of their personal benefit - not having their children home, is directly a major reason for the virus spread.


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    #98
    JimmyVik
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    irishblessing wrote: »
    And without a remote plan b paddle.

    I'm feeling very uneasy putting my children to school this morning. Fact remains NPHET recommended a level 5 so we shouldn't be mixing to this degree if money/economy didn't come into it. What a shīt sandwich.




    Its Medical experts advice Vs politicians advice.


    Politicians won. Now your family is at risk of contracting covid, which, make no mistake, is flying around the schools/


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    #99
    irishblessing
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    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Its Medical experts advice Vs politicians advice.


    Politicians won. Now your family is at risk of contracting covid, which, make no mistake, is flying around the schools/

    I know... I absolutely this hate this over our heads. If there was a remote learning plan choice I'd take it today.

    Communions are being rushed ahead tonight. My son's class is a mixed class so although he's not doing his communion this year he's mixed in with those who are, and they're all being brought together in one big group tonight. I know religious traditions are important to some, and others just want their fancy day/ socialising, kids want their treats/bouncy castle/cake/money etc... but when are we going to learn. It's a global pandemic. Weddings can only have 25. We're not supposed to be mixing indoors for organised events per level 3 guidelines. NPHET has just recommended absolutely no mixing at all at the highest level. But little Mary has her dress bought and hairstyle booked, so it must go ahead? Seriously though, if the church all decided that from now on the children wore plain robes and celebrations must be kept simple, tasteful and centred around the actual meaning behind it-would anyone bother?? I bet most wouldn't.
    Another annoyance-there aren't enough ET schools.


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    #100
    mvl
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    irishblessing wrote: »
    I know... I absolutely this hate this over our heads. If there was a remote learning plan choice I'd take it today.

    Communions are being rushed ahead tonight. My son's class is a mixed class so although he's not doing his communion this year he's mixed in with those who are, and they're all being brought together in one big group tonight. I know religious traditions are important to some, and others just want their fancy day/ socialising, kids want their treats/bouncy castle/cake/money etc... but when are we going to learn. It's a global pandemic. Weddings can only have 25. We're not supposed to be mixing indoors for organised events per level 3 guidelines. NPHET has just recommended absolutely no mixing at all at the highest level. But little Mary has her dress bought and hairstyle booked, so it must go ahead? Seriously though, if the church all decided that from now on the children wore plain robes and celebrations must be kept simple, tasteful and centred around the actual meaning behind it-would anyone bother?? I bet most wouldn't.
    Another annoyance-there aren't enough ET schools.

    I understand what you are saying, but as long as NPHET/government continue to say the school communities are safe in school settings, why wouldn't they be safe in familiar setting ?
    - for me socializing outside of school with same group of ppl you are forced to stay in school is as safe: you can keep 2m distance, disinfect hands often, don't share personal artefacts ... you know, same things you're expecting school kids to be doing while in school !!!

    PS: bit of sarcasm, but wanting to suggest what endorses the behavior in my view.


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    #101
    deliege
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    irishblessing wrote: »
    I know... I absolutely this hate this over our heads. If there was a remote learning plan choice I'd take it today.

    Communions are being rushed ahead tonight. My son's class is a mixed class so although he's not doing his communion this year he's mixed in with those who are, and they're all being brought together in one big group tonight. I know religious traditions are important to some, and others just want their fancy day/ socialising, kids want their treats/bouncy castle/cake/money etc... but when are we going to learn. It's a global pandemic. Weddings can only have 25. We're not supposed to be mixing indoors for organised events per level 3 guidelines. NPHET has just recommended absolutely no mixing at all at the highest level. But little Mary has her dress bought and hairstyle booked, so it must go ahead? Seriously though, if the church all decided that from now on the children wore plain robes and celebrations must be kept simple, tasteful and centred around the actual meaning behind it-would anyone bother?? I bet most wouldn't.
    Another annoyance-there aren't enough ET schools.

    Anecdotic I know, but one of my kid had his first communion 10 days ago. I was very impressed with the set up / organisation in the church, and almost all families complied well (only 2 parents, no siblings or grand-parents, and masked). Only the "usual suspects" let's say decided that rules didn't apply to them, but it was only one family fortunately.
    But once outside I was really put off, not by the kids behavior, but by parents. Masks off straight away (we were outside, fair enough) but rather than walk 10-20m away to chat, they gathered outside the church just below the speaker (broadcasting loudly the music) and proceeded to discuss (shout at each other more like) at close distance... And next proceeded to set up group pictures, shouting at the kids "get closer, closer, Jimmy goes here, hand on your friends shoulders", etc etc., to get all of them at close range... Epidemics ? Social distancing ?Never heard of it apparently.
    Disgusted, I took my kid and left at this point.
    The silver lining is that we are blown-ins with no local family and very few local friends, and coming from a country where first communions are not such a "big" thing... So we just had a quiet family day on our own after that, and my kid doesn't know much what he missed... He's just happy to have gone through the ceremony.


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    #102
    hello2020
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    3 kids in a Lucan Creche found positive n creche closed. just got a text from friend today.


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    #103
    BonsaiKitten
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    irishblessing wrote: »
    I know... I absolutely this hate this over our heads. If there was a remote learning plan choice I'd take it today.

    Communions are being rushed ahead tonight. My son's class is a mixed class so although he's not doing his communion this year he's mixed in with those who are, and they're all being brought together in one big group tonight. I know religious traditions are important to some, and others just want their fancy day/ socialising, kids want their treats/bouncy castle/cake/money etc... but when are we going to learn. It's a global pandemic. Weddings can only have 25. We're not supposed to be mixing indoors for organised events per level 3 guidelines. NPHET has just recommended absolutely no mixing at all at the highest level. But little Mary has her dress bought and hairstyle booked, so it must go ahead? Seriously though, if the church all decided that from now on the children wore plain robes and celebrations must be kept simple, tasteful and centred around the actual meaning behind it-would anyone bother?? I bet most wouldn't.
    Another annoyance-there aren't enough ET schools.

    The vast majority wouldn't, I agree. I used to work in a school that has Catholic classes after school hours (non Catholic school, high proportion of Catholics). There was a class for every age group. Quite striking how the numbers attending class suddenly shot up in 2nd and 6th class...the 'show' of Communion and Confirmation was pulling parents in.

    This is a topic for another thread though.


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    #104
    solerina
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    It seems to be inevitable that level 3 won’t work and that at some stage in the future schools will be forced to close (I hope this is not the case) and teachers will yet again be slated for their efforts....but before this happens from my point of view I have told my principal that my device is not really up to online teaching and asked for a new device, my device is over 10 years old...no chance was the answer. I firmly believe a work place should provide a suitable device, all other work places seem to have done this.
    We have received no training on how to use the schools online platform either. I have been trying to upskill but it’s not easy to figure it out via YouTube tutorials etc. I am dreading the though of going back to online classes as it takes forever and you feel very ineffectual after all your efforts.


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    #105
    joeharte123
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Cases aren't increasing amymore in Dublin since level 3 was introduced 2 weeks ago even though schools still open.

    What does that tell you?

    Cases have been increasing, in Dublin and nationwide. It's in correlation to the schools reopening. As expected, cases would increase when schools reopen.

    25 - 30 students from different families mixing together for 7 hours in a post primary setting and a little less in primary setting. Without a doubt, this will spread the virus - especially when many young people can be asymptomatic.

    I see many people giving out about the idea of potential school closures. These are the same people that work from home, socially distanced, from a computer. I have seen some arguments stating that they find it very difficult to get work done while their children are at home - this may be the case, however, schools should not be seen as free state-run child minding service, instead they should be viewed as educational institutions with the students interests at heart. The teachers that worked from home from March 2019, like the office workers now, have done a remarkable job adapting to the overnight transition to a virtual learning environment.


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    #106
    Dayo93
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    joeharte123 wrote: »
    Cases have been increasing, in Dublin and nationwide. It's in correlation to the schools reopening. As expected, cases would increase when schools reopen.

    25 - 30 students from different families mixing together for 7 hours in a post primary setting and a little less in primary setting. Without a doubt, this will spread the virus - especially when many young people can be asymptomatic.

    I see many people giving out about the idea of potential school closures. These are the same people that work from home, socially distanced, from a computer. I have seen some arguments stating that they find it very difficult to get work done while their children are at home - this may be the case, however, schools should not be seen as free state-run child minding service, instead they should be viewed as educational institutions with the students interests at heart. The teachers that worked from home from March 2019, like the office workers now, have done a remarkable job adapting to the overnight transition to a virtual learning environment.

    Ah this statement again , its never that we want an education for our children , And i dont think the Sunday night email we got each week during the first lockdown could count as an education.


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    #107
    Smacruairi
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    Dayo93 wrote: »
    Ah this statement again , its never that we want an education for our children , And i dont think the Sunday night email we got each week during the first lockdown could count as an education.

    I agree with you, a lot of people want an education for their children. However, you might want to tell a lot of the people who get airtime this point. All I hear about is "smiles on faces, wellbeing, economy, parents need to work, kids miss their friends etc". All important pieces don't get me wrong, but very very few say "maths and English skills need improving", unless it's the leaving cert class, and then it's just for cao points.

    Not being argumentative or contrarion, but I haven't even heard Norma address this fact. And I agree with you, material needs to be taught, an email doesn't do that. I'd lobby your local td to get working on a remote learning plan, and demand to know why that wasn't part of dept thinking from March to October!


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    #108
    joeharte123
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    Dayo93 wrote: »
    Ah this statement again , its never that we want an education for our children , And i dont think the Sunday night email we got each week during the first lockdown could count as an education.

    Read on - I stated that schools are educational institutions, therefore students are educated there. Do you believe teachers aren't teaching? I don't understand your point.


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    #109
    ...Ghost...
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    solerina wrote: »
    It seems to be inevitable that level 3 won’t work and that at some stage in the future schools will be forced to close (I hope this is not the case) and teachers will yet again be slated for their efforts....but before this happens from my point of view I have told my principal that my device is not really up to online teaching and asked for a new device, my device is over 10 years old...no chance was the answer. I firmly believe a work place should provide a suitable device, all other work places seem to have done this.
    We have received no training on how to use the schools online platform either. I have been trying to upskill but it’s not easy to figure it out via YouTube tutorials etc. I am dreading the though of going back to online classes as it takes forever and you feel very ineffectual after all your efforts.

    Teachers being provided with devices? :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Teachers have to buy their own whiteboard markers FFS! It drives me nuts. My OH has been teaching for well over a decade. Nothing has ever been provided with the exception of unsuitable yearly planning diaries the past couple of years, so they buy their own.

    She buys her own pens, pencils, whiteboard markers, academic books, workbooks, everything! Before returning at the end of August, she spent over €1,000 on a SurfacePro, keyboard and stylus because the IT equipment in the school is garbage. Were it not for her work, she wouldn't have bought it and it's solely used for work.

    Teachers pay out of their own pockets to educate other peoples children, but nobody ever talks about that. The Government will not provide Teachers with a whiteboard marker. We can hardly be surprised that we are seeing a rise in Covid cases via the schools due to a lack of funding and forward planning.

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    #110
    JimmyVik
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    TBH I know if I was a teacher I wouldnt be too happy about being sacrificed as a front line worker without it being acknowledged that I am a front line worker.
    And as a front line worker I would expect all of the protection that other frontline workers get.
    But teachers are being made to do this work in very enclosed spaces with so many people in the room.
    These people then go home and mix and then back in the next day.

    Teachers and creche workers should be given the same protection that gardai, nurses and Doctors get from this virus. It seems to me that they are actually getting less protection than the ordinary citizen actually.

    And thats me as a parent of a child at school. I wont even get into the risk of said child catching something and coming home to spread it to myself or worse, their grandparents.


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    #111
    JP Liz V1
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    MM has schools as his top priority, he does not want cases in schools coming out
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #112
    Jinglejangle69
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    joeharte123 wrote: »
    Cases have been increasing, in Dublin and nationwide. It's in correlation to the schools reopening. As expected, cases would increase when schools reopen.

    25 - 30 students from different families mixing together for 7 hours in a post primary setting and a little less in primary setting. Without a doubt, this will spread the virus - especially when many young people can be asymptomatic.

    I see many people giving out about the idea of potential school closures. These are the same people that work from home, socially distanced, from a computer. I have seen some arguments stating that they find it very difficult to get work done while their children are at home - this may be the case, however, schools should not be seen as free state-run child minding service, instead they should be viewed as educational institutions with the students interests at heart. The teachers that worked from home from March 2019, like the office workers now, have done a remarkable job adapting to the overnight transition to a virtual learning environment.

    So did you see the cases for Dublin today?

    Or the last 3 days.


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    joeharte123 wrote: »
    Cases have been increasing, in Dublin and nationwide. It's in correlation to the schools reopening. As expected, cases would increase when schools reopen.

    25 - 30 students from different families mixing together for 7 hours in a post primary setting and a little less in primary setting. Without a doubt, this will spread the virus - especially when many young people can be asymptomatic.

    I see many people giving out about the idea of potential school closures. These are the same people that work from home, socially distanced, from a computer. I have seen some arguments stating that they find it very difficult to get work done while their children are at home - this may be the case, however, schools should not be seen as free state-run child minding service, instead they should be viewed as educational institutions with the students interests at heart. The teachers that worked from home from March 2019, like the office workers now, have done a remarkable job adapting to the overnight transition to a virtual learning environment.

    Dublins numbers are starting to fall at level 3


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    #114
    Smacruairi
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So did you see the cases for Dublin today?

    Or the last 3 days.

    Are you seeing the curve?


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    Jinglejangle69
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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Are you seeing the curve?

    Yeah creeping up since mid August.

    Must have missed all the schools open in the summer.


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    #116
    Smacruairi
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yeah creeping up since mid August.

    Must have missed all the schools open in the summer.

    Since the end of August, when schools started back. But creches opened earlier. But if you can't see the difference between September and July you're just being facetious.

    In fact looking at that curve, we are at its lowest when schools were closed,.


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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Since the end of August, when schools started back. But creches opened earlier. But if you can't see the difference between September and July you're just being facetious.

    In fact looking at that curve, we are at its lowest when schools were closed,.

    Why has it stopped growing in Dublin?

    Not to mention, why has the cases rate in 5 to 14 year olds fallen as a proportion of all cases since schools returned?


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    #118
    Smacruairi
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why has it stopped growing in Dublin?

    Not to mention, why has the cases rate in 5 to 14 year olds fallen as a proportion of all cases since schools returned?

    I've no idea, I'm not virologist. I look at the recommendations from experts, look at the graphs from the official govt app, and then apply that to the personal evidence I have from working in the school environments and seeing things first hand.

    Case rates might have fallen as testing of whole classes is not taking place, and information regarding cases in school seems much harder to come by. But I see Paris has now locked down. I'm sure we are unique and fine though. Playing a blinder, positive rate at 4% now etc.


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    #119
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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    I've no idea, I'm not virologist. I look at the recommendations from experts, look at the graphs from the official govt app, and then apply that to the personal evidence I have from working in the school environments and seeing things first hand.

    Case rates might have fallen as testing of whole classes is not taking place, and information regarding cases in school seems much harder to come by. But I see Paris has now locked down. I'm sure we are unique and fine though. Playing a blinder, positive rate at 4% now etc.

    Paris is not locked down. They are more open than Dublin
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54413563

    The point on Dublin is that cases have stopped growing at level 3.- with schools open.


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    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why has it stopped growing in Dublin?

    What is the number of cases in the past 7 days, compared to the previous 7 days?


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    #121
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    Boggles wrote: »
    What is the number of cases in the past 7 days, compared to the previous 7 days?

    The 14 day case rate has grown 2% in the past 7 days, and has fallen 5% in the last 3days. Looks like a peak to me


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