Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

MrMusician18 · 06-10-2020 05:17PM

rob316 wrote: »

He outlined what his job is, to protect public interest, just like he said NPHET are there just to advise on public health. We spent months wondering are NPHET in control and the government just follow or are our elected representatives in charge? We got our answer last night

Ah he went much further than that, he said NPHET don't get it. That they are in their cosy little academic monied world and haven't a clue about the havoc such restrictions would cause. A number of NPHET members are active clinicians.

It was one the most condescending, hypocritical statements a I've seen a politician come out with and direct at a group for a long time.

Playing to the gallery at the expense of people trying their best and putting in long hours was the lowest of the low.

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 05:18PM

gmisk wrote: »

So Gardai are going to operate 132 checkpoints...but without any legal powers to turn some around?!?
What a waste of time and money

The whole "stepping up enforcement" thing from the government is PR guff. Scumbags will continue to do as they please combined with schools staying open means level 5 is inevitable in a few weeks.

MrMusician18 · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

440Hertz wrote: »

They were offered more powers and said they don’t want or need them but will keep that under review if their current approach doesn’t work.

Which it won't.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

Nvidia developing a supercomputer in the UK to help with research, including COVID. Expected to come online at the end of the year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1005/1169572-nvidia-building-uk-supercomputer-to-help-covid-research/

10000maniacs · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

I wonder would that dope ever mind her own business. If a particular individual committed a criminal act it's a matter for the Gardaí. The last thing the world needs is another narcissistic Instagram 'influencer' mindlessly blabbing away in segmented tweets on Twitter as she kicks up water out of her play pool.

They look like the same group of fools that were protesting outside of Google Barrow Street for months last year because some woman whose name I have forgotten was removed from Googles platform for posting material that violated YouTube policy against hate speech.

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah he went much further than that, he said NPHET don't get it. That they are in their cosy little academic monied world and haven't a clue about the havoc such restrictions would cause. A number of NPHET members are active clinicians.

It was one the most condescending, hypocritical statements a I've seen a politician come out with and direct at a group for a long time.

Playing to the gallery at the expense of people trying their best and putting in long hours was the lowest of the low.

What we've come to expect from Varadkar tbh. It's all about the likes.

He's going to look fierce stupid in a few weeks time.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah he went much further than that, he said NPHET don't get it. That they are in their cosy little academic monied world and haven't a clue about the havoc such restrictions would cause. A number of NPHET members are active clinicians.

It was one the most condescending, hypocritical statements a I've seen a politician come out with and direct at a group for a long time.

Playing to the gallery at the expense of people trying their best and putting in long hours was the lowest of the low.

The reality is.

All the pressure and blame is off NPHET and squarely on the shoulders of the cabinet.

But I guess shoot from the hip Leo wouldn't be known for thinking things through.

rob316 · 06-10-2020 05:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'd say you misheard TBH.

That would be headline today if he said that.

Micky has pinned his response on keeping schools open.

You clearly refuse to believe me so here. skip to 0:55

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1313222982823825408?s=20

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 05:20PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Why wouldn't any normal person with a brain take it a vaccine? Surely it's just those braindead anti mask protestors who wouldn't take it? That's fine by me. They can kill each other by infecting for all anyone cares.

Don't shoot the messenger, the survey was done regarding 1/3 of irish adults not taking it.

Ill take it to regain some normality.

My question is how is how many need to get it for it to be effective?

polesheep · 06-10-2020 05:20PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That assumes NPHET leaked the letter. I don't see what they would gain from that when the letter is published after anyway. And not their usual style either.

The leak is actually irrelevant. Holohan arriving back in town and jumping straight into level 5 was the power play.

Oranage2 · 06-10-2020 05:21PM

I thought Leo was playing a blinder until last night, he could have just shut his mouth and leaked it to the press that he was anti-level 5. Instead he couldn't control his ego and had to pretend he's for the people, this has put our expert health crisis team in an awkward position

nacho libre · 06-10-2020 05:21PM

Will Leo be off Tony's christmas card list now. Is Tony's reputation in danger if level 3 restrictions work? The level 3 restrictions seem to be working in Dublin with case rates seemingly stabilising

440Hertz · 06-10-2020 05:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nvidia developing a supercomputer in the UK to help with research, including COVID. Expected to come online at the end of the year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1005/1169572-nvidia-building-uk-supercomputer-to-help-covid-research/

Ah yeah! The Tories and their obsession with data mining, while they can’t seem to organise a pish-up in a brewery and ran the testing system on an old Excel spreadsheet. That looks like a PR stunt by the company that’s acquiring formerly British chip designer, ARM holdings and are trying to convince regulators they aren’t going to take jobs out of the UK to the US. A bit of ego massaging vapourware for Empire 2.0 to keep Cummings and Johnson on side.

landofthetree · 06-10-2020 05:22PM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

I suppose those protesters will be put in their place tomorrow when the new restrictions and "enforcement" measures kick in.

Once the BLM were allowed protest and break rules governments around the world painted themselves into a corner when it comes to protests.

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is_that_so · 06-10-2020 05:22PM

Study from UK suggests delays in routine operations may be overcautious.

Thousands of patients may be facing unnecessarily long waiting times for surgery because of a misplaced assumption about the Covid-19 risk posed to healthcare staff by a routine procedure, a study has found.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/06/covid-unnecessary-precautions-causing-nhs-surgery-backlog

Widdensushi · 06-10-2020 05:22PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought Leo was playing a blinder until last night, he could have just shut his mouth and leaked it to the press that he was anti-level 5. Instead he couldn't control his ego and had to pretend he's for the people, this has put our expert health crisis team in an awkward position

They put the government in a far more awkward position with the stunt they pulled Sunday.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 05:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, if a vaccine is rolled out Jan 1st, who exactly would be expected to take it?

I would have thought health care workers would require a 100% uptake?

You could say the same for the flu vaccine or the swine flu vaccine (many believe that they dodged a bullet by not getting that one).

manofwisdom · 06-10-2020 05:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't see any evidence personally or anecdotally society is behind level 2 or whatever hybrid it is let alone level 3. The GAA coming out against their own should be a clue.

The data and science is being ignored.

There has been a significant up shift in the instances of the virus, the figures are getting big fast nationally. This is longer confined to one or 2 counties.

The problem is.

Over the next 2 weeks the numbers are going to grow and grow large and with them hospitalizations.

Every day that happens the government is going to become more and more under pressure. It's going to get intense.

Fast forward 2-3 weeks if we are 700+ infections a day, 200-300 in hospitals and ICU nearing capacity.

The plug will be pulled, society buy in or not.

Looking at the restrictions there is very little difference between level 3 and 5. Fast forward 2-3 weeks we'll more than likely get an increase infections regardless of level 3,4 or 5.

wes · 06-10-2020 05:24PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Once the BLM were allowed protest and break rules governments around the world painted themselves into a corner when it comes to protests.

There were anti-mask protests before the BLM protest in Ireland and other countries.......

Also, the BLM protesters wore masks and attempted social distancing.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 05:25PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Looking at the restrictions there is very little difference between level 3 and 5. Fast forward 2-3 weeks we'll more than likely get an increase infections regardless of level 3,4 or 5.

From the NPHET message on Sunday it's clearly watch the hospital numbers.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 05:27PM

OwenM wrote: »

I'd say you can't wait, the glee is just oozing from you.

There was a load of something oozing out of a lot of posters on here during Leo's interview.

CruelSummer · 06-10-2020 05:28PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought Leo was playing a blinder until last night, he could have just shut his mouth and leaked it to the press that he was anti-level 5. Instead he couldn't control his ego and had to pretend he's for the people, this has put our expert health crisis team in an awkward position

The only people that put themselves in that position are NPHET, between their constant leaks to press before even informing Government of their decisions, to the stunt pulled on Sunday evening. That was an outrageous thing to do, and it is they whose ego's need to be put firmly back in their boxes, particularly Tony. He couldn't give a toss about the implications of what he was suggesting.

landofthetree · 06-10-2020 05:29PM

wes wrote: »

There were anti-mask protests before the BLM protest in Ireland and other countries.......

Also, the BLM protesters wore masks and attempted social distancing.

They didnt social distance most of the time and it spread covid.

BLM protestors murdered innocent people and caused billions of dollars worth of damage in the USA.

Harry Palmr · 06-10-2020 05:29PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What will be different with the Covid vaccine??

Am I the only one seeing any issue here??

Legally there's no difference of course so we are relying on FLS to have some awareness regarding self preservation and the collective good.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, if a vaccine is rolled out Jan 1st, who exactly would be expected to take it?

I would have thought health care workers would require a 100% uptake?

No one is going to be "expected" to take - that's the scary thing in a way. You'd hope that the efficacy of the vaccine/s will be proven and that there will be no refusal and yet only an idiot would predict a 100% take up among the vulnerable as that cohort contains "nuts" just like those who are as fit as the proverbial flea. As for health care workers and indeed the broad population, one might predict herd immunity through vaccination at about 70% would be enough but we just don't know in practice if that's about right, too much or too little.

stockshares wrote: »

How frequent are the tests and are they tested without warning?

Any stats for the workers who are living in Direct Provision?

I'm pretty sure all these plants have arranged tests which could render them useless, it would require all workers to be tested regardless of whether they are on shift, on leave or whatever to be of any value. Hopefully that sort of detail will be published

polesheep · 06-10-2020 05:31PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Why wouldn't any normal person with a brain take a vaccine? Surely it's just those braindead anti mask protestors who wouldn't take it? That's fine by me. They can kill each other by infecting each otherfor all anyone cares.

Well, for a start, those whose brain keeps falling asleep since they got the swine flu vaccine might. And those who prefer to wait a while for a rushed vaccine to prove its safety in the population might also. And I'm as pro-vaccine as they come.

Oranage2 · 06-10-2020 05:31PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

They put the government in a far more awkward position with the stunt they pulled Sunday.

We don't know which side leaked it. They're the experts. And if this level 3 lockdown doesn't work we'll have a level 5 during Christmas and lose out majorly on the Christmas economy.

Big risk by the government and I can't see it paying off unfortunately, I actually have MM down as making mistakes for every decision he made.

Thierry12 · 06-10-2020 05:31PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Why wouldn't any normal person with a brain take a vaccine? Surely it's just those braindead anti mask protestors who wouldn't take it? That's fine by me. They can kill each other by infecting each otherfor all anyone cares.

When they list the full ingredients of the vaccines I'll have a think about it

Vaccines for years had rare earth minerals in them

Stuff we make batteries with it

440Hertz · 06-10-2020 05:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Study from UK suggests delays in routine operations may be overcautious.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/06/covid-unnecessary-precautions-causing-nhs-surgery-backlog

The one thing I couldn’t understand about that is why can’t you just install some kind of “fume hood” over the high risk area - the patient’s head and just extract the air much like you would over any other similar industrial situation or even a kitchen! It can’t be that complex, cumbersome or even unpleasant and it just needs to suck the air out and pass it through some kind of HEPA filters or just exhaust it safely outside.

Widdensushi · 06-10-2020 05:34PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

We don't know which side leaked it. They're the experts. And if this level 3 lockdown doesn't work we'll have a level 5 during Christmas and lose out majorly on the Christmas economy.

Big risk by the government and I can't see it paying off unfortunately, I actually have MM down as making mistakes for every decision he made.

I got the impression from Leo interview last night that he didn't even know about it before the media, surely that would be easily checked, I don't remember the exact words so he may not have said that.

GooglePlus · 06-10-2020 05:35PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

When they list the full ingredients of the vaccines I'll have a think about it

Vaccines for years had rare earth minerals in them

Stuff we make batteries with it

You know that most of the stuff we make batteries from naturally occur in your body. It's the levels that make a difference. If there was such an issue with these vaccines, why aren't so many of us seeing side effects? Me and everyone I know has had vaccines throughout life.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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