Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

polesheep · 06-10-2020 03:55PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

For some reason front line health care staff are terrible at getting the annual flu vaccine. Maybe they have this subconscious notion in their head that as the job hasn't actually killed them flu sure won't effect them in any meaningful way.

It ought to be in the employment contract.

And precipitate an even bigger shortage of nurses?

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 03:55PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I thought it was NPHET advise, government decide. Should it be NPHET consult with government and make recommendations that are politically and economically palatable? Surely up to government to do that if they wish.

It's that sudden change from not Level 3 on Thursday to Level 5 on Sunday without any notice. Somebody needed to be told that they were considering the possibility of a 3 level change. As it stood it was decided through the prism of pure public health with no regard to anything else. I think Level 5 may happen but everyone will know when it is.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 03:56PM

Stheno wrote: »

Checkpoints and community presence from the guards on the way from tomorrow

All a bit pointless when they can only advise though

polesheep · 06-10-2020 03:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

Checkpoints and community presence from the guards on the way from tomorrow

As someone who suffered in the past from regular house parties next door, I often wondered where was the constitutional protection for my home.

Oranage2 · 06-10-2020 03:57PM

I'd like to see Dublin and Donegal at 5, the counties doing well at 1 and the rest at 3. See how that goes

GooglePlus · 06-10-2020 03:57PM

landofthetree wrote: »

What they mean is third world countries wont be getting it for years unless the first world pays for it.

I wouldnt mind the Irish government donating money for vaccines for poorer countries. Much better than what we currently do-handover nearly 1 billion per year thats mainly wasted.

How so? We have a very effective and transparent aid programme, you can see who it benefits. We also fund GAVI yearly for vaccine distribution in the third world.

Zebra3 · 06-10-2020 03:58PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

based on all data its pretty clear that the Pfizer one will get approval this year...

What data is this?

Pfizer share price dropped slightly today and over the last month has been static between 36 and 37USD.

If it was really believed that a corporation were about the produce a vaccine to make covid19 irrelevant the share price would be moving significantly upwards.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 03:58PM

polesheep wrote: »

The main problem is the manner in which things changed so dramatically between Thursday night and Sunday night.

Yes the instance rate of the disease both here and up North jumped considerable.

It's not a secret.

It was communicated to everyone Thursday.

NPHET’s main concern now is the overall national picture

The situation has deteriorated rapidly nationally and on the island as a whole.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 03:58PM

Eod100 wrote: »

All a bit pointless when they can only advise though

Any reminder is better than nothing and it may make some people think. It's not the majority of people who are doing things right, it's a minority who need to be reminded.

Christy42 · 06-10-2020 03:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's that sudden change from not Level 3 on Thursday to Level 5 on Sunday without any notice. Somebody needed to be told that they were considering the possibility of a 3 level change. As it stood it was decided through the prism of pure public health with no regard to anything else. I think Level 5 may happen but everyone will know when it is.

I think the government also copped that level 5 was not an option. You put in level 5 you get most people doing what they want and a few following restrictions. You put in level 3 and you might get some semblance of compliance. Better a well done level 3 than a shambles of level 5.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 04:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes the instance rate of the disease both here and up North jumped considerable.

It's not a secret.

It was communicated to everyone Thursday.

The situation has deteriorated rapidly nationally and on the island as a whole.

The North is irrelevant. The rate didn't jump here sufficiently to warrant the change. Holohan was the difference.

Deeper Blue · 06-10-2020 04:00PM

Sconsey wrote: »

It's terrible news for the 'RTE thrive on fear-mongering' crowd...RTE giving so much space to a good news Covid story.

RTE do thrive on fear mongering, I don't think anyone can argue they don't.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 04:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's that sudden change from not Level 3 on Thursday to Level 5 on Sunday without any notice. Somebody needed to be told that they were considering the possibility of a 3 level change. As it stood it was decided through the prism of pure public health with no regard to anything else. I think Level 5 may happen but everyone will know when it is.

But that is neither here nor there.

The numbers are the numbers.

No one from the government have argued with NPHET's numbers or predictions.

This is only going one way and we all know it.

Tony with a massive "We tried to tell you" head on him.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 04:01PM

weldoninhio wrote:

We know its not dangerous to the vast majority. Yet we still force the vast majority to lockdown.

We know that in the short term only.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 04:02PM

polesheep wrote: »

The North is irrelevant.

Not according to reality.

stephenjmcd · 06-10-2020 04:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Any reminder is better than nothing and it may make some people think. It's not the majority of people who are doing things right, it's a minority who need to be reminded.

They seem to be relying on the message that there'll be traffic jams due to checkpoints in the hope that it stops movement

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 04:03PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's that sudden change from not Level 3 on Thursday to Level 5 on Sunday without any notice. Somebody needed to be told that they were considering the possibility of a 3 level change. As it stood it was decided through the prism of pure public health with no regard to anything else. I think Level 5 may happen but everyone will know when it is.

Changes can happen very quickly though so criticism of a lack of notice seems a bit off the mark. Maybe NPHET and government never agreed if counties could be moved 2/3 levels at a time. Did government think country would have to get to 3 for 3 weeks, then 4 for 3 weeks before 5 could be considered? Not sure minimum of 6 weeks would be soon enough to react when things can change so quickly

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 04:03PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I think the government also copped that level 5 was not an option. You put in level 5 you get most people doing what they want and a few following restrictions. You put in level 3 and you might get some semblance of compliance. Better a well done level 3 than a shambles of level 5.

I agree on a good application of this new level. I don't think they are completely against Level 5 but there's a lot more for the government to consider before it happens.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 04:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They seem to be relying on the message that there'll be traffic jams due to checkpoints in the hope that it stops movement

I hope they leave a lane open for essential workers and make an announcement re same. The last time they did it both my wife and my brother were late for work in their respective hospitals.

jopax · 06-10-2020 04:05PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Oh dear. Not a good sign.

Is that just for today's numbers? I mean not 2 days together?

seamus · 06-10-2020 04:06PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We might have vaccines ready for distribution this side of Christmas but I can't see the supply chain fully finding their feet until 2021, the task is astronomical. This has been acknowledged by supply chain specialists involved with the vaccine alliance.

In terms of distribution, countries will most likely be asked to provide an estimate of the number of vulnerable people they have, and the vaccine distributed on that basis.
Vulnerable people may even be classed into different buckets with the most vulnerable (oncology patients, COPD patients) given top priority and the least vulnerable (pregnant women, 65-70 year olds) at the bottom.

But realistically once there's good coverage of vulnerable groups, the complete lifting of restrictions can begin. Any vaccine won't need 60% + population coverage before we can stop making this an emergency, just 80%+ coverage of vulnerable groups.

OwenM · 06-10-2020 04:06PM

polesheep wrote: »

As someone who suffered in the past from regular house parties next door, I often wondered where was the constitutional protection for my home.

There is, but not to the detriment of others protection of their own homes. If there is loud music, make a complaint.

The government have only issued guidelines and not altered the law even though they give that impression, and this is causing a lot of stress IMO.

06-10-2020 04:06PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Changes can happen very quickly though so criticism of a lack of notice seems a bit off the mark. Maybe NPHET and government never agreed if counties could be moved 2/3 levels at a time. Did government think country would have to get to 3 for 3 weeks, then 4 for 3 weeks before 5 could be considered? Not sure minimum of 6 weeks would be soon enough to react when things can change so quickly

Well when you actually see that the measures taken in Dublin are having an effect, maybe you give them a chance to sustain that effect

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 04:07PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

For some reason front line health care staff are terrible at getting the annual flu vaccine. Maybe they have this subconscious notion in their head that as the job hasn't actually killed them flu sure won't effect them in any meaningful way.

It ought to be in the employment contract.

What will be different with the Covid vaccine??

Am I the only one seeing any issue here??

Jim_Hodge · 06-10-2020 04:09PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Died from or with covid?

I hope this is being facetious because it's wearing very thin at this stage.

polesheep · 06-10-2020 04:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What will be different with the Covid vaccine??

Am I the only one seeing any issue here??

No, it will be an issue. Many of those who clapped for the nurses and doctors will be calling for them to be vaccinated whether they like it or not. This pandemic is proving to be a wonderful opportunity to study human behaviour.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 04:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well when you actually see that the measures taken in Dublin are having an effect, maybe you give them a chance to sustain than effect

Dublin's measures were due to be reviewed on 10th, now they've been extended until 27th. I think government want most counties on one level. Maybe there's some sense in that but would think some counties could be on 4, some 3 and some 2 by their respective prevalence rate.

They seem to prefer whole country in 3 rather than that.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-10-2020 04:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's a massive statement by Tedros from the WHO on vaccines today. He must have seen some of the Oxford, Moderna or Pfizer data.

This is great news and should be welcomed as such by all.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 04:11PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Changes can happen very quickly though so criticism of a lack of notice seems a bit off the mark. Maybe NPHET and government never agreed if counties could be moved 2/3 levels at a time. Did government think country would have to get to 3 for 3 weeks, then 4 for 3 weeks before 5 could be considered? Not sure minimum of 6 weeks would be soon enough to react when things can change so quickly

Sure they can but you don't go into a meeting two days after confirming everything is hunky dory without someone picking up the phone to say oh we'll be talking about Level 5 today. NPHET are usually perfectly upfront about what their agenda is, why not here? How it's all evolved since Sunday is completely predictable.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 04:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure they can but you don't go into a meeting two days after confirming everything is hunky dory without someone picking up the phone to say oh we'll be talking about Level 5 today. NPHET are usually perfectly upfront about what their agenda is, why not here? How it's all evolved since Sunday is completely predictable.

Well for one change in Holohan coming back as CMO, another is the data reviewed since all in their letter. Communication could have been better but I don't think that would have made government go along with it. Plus Varadkar who already had meeting with CMO didn't need to be as critical or as personal on national tv.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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