Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

06-10-2020 11:42AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How is driving a car a necessity?? :rolleyes:

How isn’t it? Getting around is a necessity and for many a car is the only option thus it is a necessity.

Eric Cartman · 06-10-2020 11:45AM

the continued blame upon the pubs is farcical. Pint pubs have been shut in Dublin since march, they can be blamed on exactly 0 cases, food pubs have barely had the tail end of the summer and surely all these contact tracers could easily give us a report and say 'heres the figures, it is the restaurants and pubs doing it' but of course they won't , because it isn't.

Talking to my local barman (Kildare) and he hasn't had one contact tracing report or request, he's spending 25 quid a day (wholesale) on cleaning products alone to wipe everything down, can only have a few in the pub, barely keeping the lights on with the time limits etc..

Im all for curtailing cases, but its become abundantly clear that its not the pubs doing us in.

mikemac2 · 06-10-2020 11:49AM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

When you look in the mirror do you realise you are the reason this virus is spreading?

You use the home delivery for shopping though you are fit and able

If everyone did this the people who need it most would never get a slot

Tesco for one regularly urge people not to use the slots if they don't need it.

You´re not Ireland´s greatest saint

Open the Pubs · 06-10-2020 11:58AM

US2 wrote: »

Invited to a party for the match Thursday night. Zero social distancing at this party. Did the government think this true at all ? At least when pubs were closed over summer it was a lot of outdoor barbeque party's, now it's going to be indoor party's with no ventilation

Yeah it's pointless, just going to freeze the bollox of people in pubs who keep open smoking areas too, probably be even less distancing in the smoking areas than sitting inside.

Eric Cartman · 06-10-2020 12:05PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Yeah it's pointless, just going to freeze the bollox of people in pubs who keep open smoking areas too, probably be even less distancing in the smoking areas than sitting inside.

I can think of no better way to punch somebodys immune system than making them stand in the cold for hours.

cadaliac · 06-10-2020 12:06PM

US2 wrote: »

Invited to a party for the match Thursday night. Zero social distancing at this party. Did the government think this true at all ? At least when pubs were closed over summer it was a lot of outdoor barbeque party's, now it's going to be indoor party's with no ventilation

Stopping all GAA club matches will also leave 50 people per club with nothing better to be doing on a Saturday evening than go to someone else's house, probably inside too, due to weather.

Blaming the pubs is ridiculous but there are some who have fcuked it up for us all.
My local was absolutely fine over the past 2 weeks. As another poster correctly pointed out, where are these numbers that show the pubs are the issue? NPHET won't release them as the numbers won't stack up.

Its people misbehaving, not wearing masks, going to house parties and generally not giving 1 sh1t about anyone else.
Cops need to be able to fine people for breaches of the regulations.

There is really no need to close any pubs or restaurants if they are all (and most are) obeying the regulations set out.

Open the Pubs · 06-10-2020 12:09PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I can think of no better way to punch somebodys immune system than making them stand in the cold for hours.

Especially when you consider there will be a lot of aul lads doing it, some big the regulars in my local are in their 80s!

It's there choice of course but for many it's that or sit on your own in the house with no human contact for long periods.

Tenzor07 · 06-10-2020 12:10PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I can think of no better way to punch somebodys immune system than making them stand in the cold for hours.

Well, not only that but push people outside combined with a good few alcoholic drinks and it weakens the immune system leaving people more vulnerable to colds&Flu and so on...

Open the Pubs · 06-10-2020 12:12PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Stopping all GAA club matches will also leave 50 people per club with nothing better to be doing on a Saturday evening than go to someone else's house, probably inside too, due to weather.

Blaming the pubs is ridiculous but there are some who have fcuked it up for us all.
My local was absolutely fine over the past 2 weeks. As another poster correctly pointed out, where are these numbers that show the pubs are the issue? NPHET won't release them as the numbers won't stack up.

Its people misbehaving, not wearing masks, going to house parties and generally not giving 1 sh1t about anyone else.
Cops need to be able to fine people for breaches of the regulations.

There is really no need to close any pubs or restaurants if they are all (and most are) obeying the regulations set out.

Most pubs that took the piss lately were mainly after GAA county finals from what I gather. Most county finals are over now and club games have been cancelled by GAA anyway.

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 12:14PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Its people misbehaving, not wearing masks, going to house parties and generally not giving 1 sh1t about anyone else.
Cops need to be able to fine people for breaches of the regulations.

Masks do not stop covid I thought that was blindingly obvious at this stage, there has been multiple outbreaks in shopping centers where compliance is nearly 100%
There had been very little outbreaks in restaurants/pubs where masks aren't required.
The mandatory mask law expired yesterday and was not renewed, it's still in effect until November on public transport but you can not go to jail for not wearing one in a shop anymore.

GazzaL · 06-10-2020 12:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When that empty keg is moved away from the back door, open sesame. The clandestine pint may well endure, six socially distanced regulars aren't going to tip the seesaw towards level 5. Especially considering the schools will continue to crowd hundreds in a relatively confined environment.

Chin chin.

Good man Bertie m8. I'll see you down the Snooty Badger for a few scoops.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:25PM

Augeo wrote: »

Yes ....... and the piece I've now bolded suggests you can drink indoors with a €9 meal which is not the case of late.

TOO suggests you can now do both ..............

That was in relation to someone suggesting you could not get a pint in a pub in Dublin now. Too, as in, same as the rest of the counties.

EDIT: ORIGINAL POST

Poster: "you can't drink inside anywhere, you can't drink at all in Dublin, you can drink outside in other counties (max of 15 people) or dine outside but its freezing out."

The pubs are basically still closed, the restaurants are mostly closed. None of these rules lighten up on the drink industry at all.

Me: You can drink in Dublin, and have been able to since the E9 meal came in. Now you can drink outside in Dublin too. Since it was upgraded to 3.484184 two weeks ago.

06-10-2020 12:29PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The mandatory mask law expired yesterday and was not renewed, it's still in effect until November on public transport but you can not go to jail for not wearing one in a shop anymore.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19.html

It has been renewed.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:30PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

How isn’t it? Getting around is a necessity and for many a car is the only option thus it is a necessity.

I'm 38 and have never driven a car. I've lived in North County Dublin, Carlow, LA, Sydney, Nevada. I don't even have a provisional and never had one. A car is not a necessity.

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 12:32PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19.html

It has been renewed.

It hasn't the shop one expired on the 5th of October, the Public transport one was extended previously. The website is misleading go look at the law introduced.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:35PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19.html

It has been renewed.

From your "updated" link: "2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020."

Mentions of renewal: 0

06-10-2020 12:37PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm 38 and have never driven a car. I've lived in North County Dublin, Carlow, LA, Sydney, Nevada. I don't even have a provisional and never had one. A car is not a necessity.

There's lads 38 and older who are virgins but most of us reckon sex is a necessity.

Open the Pubs · 06-10-2020 12:41PM

Pub/restaurants wise these "Level 3" restrictions are identical to Level 4 restrictions ie smoking areas only 15 max.

But considering how few pubs/restaurants can or will continue to serve outdoors, this is basically no different to Level 5 restrictions (takeaway only). So for 99% of pubs/restaurants we may awell be in Level 5.

Level 3 nationwide isn't the win it's made out to be. Still going to permanently shut thousands of businesses.

06-10-2020 12:42PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm 38 and have never driven a car. I've lived in North County Dublin, Carlow, LA, Sydney, Nevada. I don't even have a provisional and never had one. A car is not a necessity.

You have lived a very compromised life.

It is not possible to get to a shop, a school, work or anything else from where I live without a car.

Open the Pubs · 06-10-2020 12:42PM

If you're a wet pub owner in Dublin you still won't even be allowed open at all to serve outdoors.

That's pretty devastating are many Dublin pubs in that position?

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:43PM

Augeo wrote: »

There's lads 38 and older who are virgins but most of us reckon sex is a necessity.

Plenty of priests, asexuals and others who would disagree. A necessity to procreate, but not for any one person.

06-10-2020 12:44PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

From your "updated" link: "2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020."

Mentions of renewal: 0

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Shops and other retail settings
On 10 August 2020, new public health laws (pdf) made face coverings mandatory for customers in:

Shops, including pharmacies
Shopping centres
Libraries
Cinemas and cinema complexes
Theatres
Concert halls
Bingo halls
Museums
Nail salons
Hair salons and barbers
Tattoo and piercing parlours
Travel agents and tour operators
Laundries and dry cleaners
Bookmakers
It is also mandatory for retail staff to wear a face covering unless there is a partition or they take all reasonable steps to keep a 2-metre distance from others.

You may be asked to remove your face covering to verify your age or identity to staff.

Face coverings are not mandatory in:

Post offices, credit unions or banks
Medical or dental services
Sit-in restaurants or cafés
While it is not mandatory to wear a face covering in restaurants, you should wear one when arriving to and leaving your table. You may be refused entry if you refuse to wear one. This is for the safety of staff and customers around you.

These laws will be in place until at least 9 November 2020.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:46PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

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Thats from a citizens advice website.

From the actual legisation: 2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020.

I wonder which is right, a website edited by a Grade 3 civil servant or actual legislation. It's a toughie. :rolleyes:

almostover · 06-10-2020 12:47PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the continued blame upon the pubs is farcical. Pint pubs have been shut in Dublin since march, they can be blamed on exactly 0 cases, food pubs have barely had the tail end of the summer and surely all these contact tracers could easily give us a report and say 'heres the figures, it is the restaurants and pubs doing it' but of course they won't , because it isn't.

Talking to my local barman (Kildare) and he hasn't had one contact tracing report or request, he's spending 25 quid a day (wholesale) on cleaning products alone to wipe everything down, can only have a few in the pub, barely keeping the lights on with the time limits etc..

Im all for curtailing cases, but its become abundantly clear that its not the pubs doing us in.

There was a pub in Cork in which 50 customers became infected with COVID. It's a high risk environment. Indoors, lots of people, loud talking, inhibitions lowered by alcohol, sharing of toilet facilities.

The pubs arent doing us in, general non compliance to the guidelines took care of that for us. However, they're non essential businesses and are a high risk environment for COVID spread. It's sh*te but it's the way it has to be.

06-10-2020 12:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Plenty of priests, asexuals and others.........

.. no doubt, most of us aren't priests, asexuals and others though.

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 12:50PM

Matthew Fat Virtue wrote: »

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Do you understand the law, they were temporary measures that expired on the 5th unless they were renewed, they weren't renewed. You need to look at the law not something somebody wrote on a website without anyone fact checking it.

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 12:51PM

Augeo wrote: »

.. no doubt, most of us aren't priests, asexuals and others though.

If you, me or any random person didn't have sex for the rest of our lives, nothing dramatic would happen. Be quite frustrating, but nothing would happen.

hetuzozaho · 06-10-2020 01:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm 38 and have never driven a car. I've lived in North County Dublin, Carlow, LA, Sydney, Nevada. I don't even have a provisional and never had one. A car is not a necessity.

LA without a car :eek:

I presume you use other people's cars? Or do you stick to your guns?

weldoninhio · 06-10-2020 01:15PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

LA without a car :eek:

I presume you use other people's cars? Or do you stick to your guns?

Generally walked or got the bus the odd time I needed to go somewhere far. Lived in Venice, so everything was on the doorstep.

cadaliac · 06-10-2020 01:18PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Masks do not stop covid I thought that was blindingly obvious at this stage, there has been multiple outbreaks in shopping centers where compliance is nearly 100%
There had been very little outbreaks in restaurants/pubs where masks aren't required.
The mandatory mask law expired yesterday and was not renewed, it's still in effect until November on public transport but you can not go to jail for not wearing one in a shop anymore.

You know very well what I meant.....

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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