Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

seamus · 06-10-2020 11:12AM

boetstark wrote: »

Ahem , Paris and Madrid both have complete lockdowns , alot more on the way. You need the check your facts.
All you are interested in is having your parish games continue.

Paris is at its highest alert level and it's still more open than Dublin at level 3.

Madrid's lockdown may restrict people from travelling too far, but bars and restaurants are still open.

Both are cities, not countries. Ireland at level 5 means the closure of basically everything except pharmacies and grocery shops and restrictions on travelling from home.

I think you need to check your facts on what "lockdown" means in different places.

We don't know which is the correct approach at the moment, but Ireland's regime of restrictions is one of the harshest in Europe.

Probably because our health system is such a pile of sh1t.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 11:12AM

Roger the cabin boy wrote:

There is no exit plan, nor is one possible. Herd immunity is the only outcome.

Is hers immunity possible? Have you stats for people who've recovered from the virus and shown immunity six month later?

polesheep · 06-10-2020 11:13AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Just so I can understand this thread for another day.

We already have the harshest lockdown in Europe and we alone wish to use the circuit-break method.

The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovenia, Romania, Hungary, Denmark, Slovakia, Spain, The UK and France with higher incidence rates are all wrong. The government is wrong, as is the head of the HSE.

NPHET are right.

We are a country riddled with incompetence from top to bottom, apart from our Health Emergency Team which is a steps ahead of everyone else in Europe.

It was all the result of one person's ego.

Hector Savage · 06-10-2020 11:16AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Level 3 working in Dublin

Great!

And then what ?

Gruffalux · 06-10-2020 11:16AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Most of the level 5 crew don’t care about this. Probably basement dwellers and anti-socials who don’t like social interaction. Could very well be on the spectrum and feel uncomfortable interacting with other humans. They’d have us locked down until the bug was wiped out worldwide if they could.

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I think it is time to retire to the clubhouse to watch and wait with a hot whiskey.

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 11:17AM

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

Watch Trump. "Do not be afraid of Covid"

The world now realises that Sweden was right and are moving to a laissez-faire approach with herd immunity kicking in as per the original UK plan.
However, in order to keep a lid on the liberal outrage, this has to be done by evolution rather than design.
Ireland is ignoring this because it has the most liberal weak wristed government (read parochial) in Europe.

There is no exit plan, nor is one possible. Herd immunity is the only outcome.

Wow. Posters siding with Trump. :rolleyes:

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seamus · 06-10-2020 11:19AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Great!

And then what ?

We can move back towards level 2 with a greater focus on actually staying within the rules rather than just paying lip service to them.

Widdensushi · 06-10-2020 11:19AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Great!

And then what ?

We do the same as the rest of Europe and go about our lives as well as we can and hopefully a vaccine is widely available sooner rather than later, as more people are getting the virus there will be a little bit of immunity to help us to limit the spread in our community

gmisk · 06-10-2020 11:20AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Wow. Posters siding with Trump. :rolleyes:

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Trump....he can barely breathe by looks of it that is with them throwing two experimental drugs and him being put on oxygen twice that we know of.

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 11:21AM

Thanks to Hmmzis in the vaccine thread for the link:

Pfizer/BioNTech Initiate Rolling Submission to European Medicines Agency for SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Candidate - just like Oxford/AZ did last week.

The EMA’s decision to start a rolling review follows the encouraging preliminary results from pre-clinical and early clinical studies in adults, which suggest that BNT162b2 triggers the production of neutralizing antibodies and TH-1 dominant CD4+ and CD8+ T cells that target SARS-CoV-2. A combination of an antibody and T cell response is believed to be important in eliciting protection against viral infection and disease. BioNTech and Pfizer plan to work with the EMA’s Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) to complete the rolling review process to facilitate the final Marketing Authorization Application (MAA).

https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-and-pfizer-initiate-rolling-submission-european

Happydays2020 · 06-10-2020 11:21AM

boetstark wrote: »

Ahem , Paris and Madrid both have complete lockdowns , alot more on the way. You need the check your facts.
All you are interested in is having your parish games continue.

Paris restaurants will remain open. So no.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 11:21AM

seamus wrote: »

We can move back towards level 2 with a greater focus on actually staying within the rules rather than just paying lip service to them.

To the letter or the spirit?

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 11:23AM

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313424234413260800?s=19

boardise · 06-10-2020 11:24AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Didn't Leo say in one of his first national addresses that the government would "always put your health first"? That's clearly gone out the window now.

The point is that 'health' means more than just C19 ...includes mental and economic health too. If it didn't have that meaning then it certainly has it now.

tobefrank321 · 06-10-2020 11:25AM

seamus wrote: »

Paris is at its highest alert level and it's still more open than Dublin at level 3.

Madrid's lockdown may restrict people from travelling too far, but bars and restaurants are still open.

Both are cities, not countries. Ireland at level 5 means the closure of basically everything except pharmacies and grocery shops and restrictions on travelling from home.

I think you need to check your facts on what "lockdown" means in different places.

We don't know which is the correct approach at the moment, but Ireland's regime of restrictions is one of the harshest in Europe.

Probably because our health system is such a pile of sh1t.

That's it in a nutshell. A number of vastly overpaid managers is likely the cause. We are 9th in Europe for health spend but have one of the lowest ICU beds per persons ratio.

Covid 19 was the crisis that exposed HSE mismanagement once again. It left them with no option but to ask for a lockdown. Not the first crisis and certainly not the last.

Instead of thinking up new lockdown restrictions NPHET and HSE should be thinking up ways to multiply ICU and hospital capacity. including taking over private hospitals again.

Hector Savage · 06-10-2020 11:25AM

seamus wrote: »

We can move back towards level 2 with a greater focus on actually staying within the rules rather than just paying lip service to them.

No, cases will rise again, we've seen everywhere cases start to rise again as soon as restrictions are lifted.
Zero covid is impossible at this stage.

And doing this in a constant see saw untill there is a vaccine won't help either, vaccine might work for 50% of people, plus will take years to fully distribute.

So do people want this restrictions .... ease .... restrictions back and forth for years ?

Crazy, open the country up ffs... above will do way more damage than covid.

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 11:25AM

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313424234413260800?s=19

Key point:
"But Mr Martin and his partners in Government, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar and Green Party leader Eamon Ryan, did not appreciate being backed into a corner by the chief medical officer (CMO) on his first day back in the job."

He quite clearly overstepped the mark.

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 11:26AM

seamus wrote: »

Paris is at its highest alert level and it's still more open than Dublin at level 3.

Madrid's lockdown may restrict people from travelling too far, but bars and restaurants are still open.

Both are cities, not countries. Ireland at level 5 means the closure of basically everything except pharmacies and grocery shops and restrictions on travelling from home.

I think you need to check your facts on what "lockdown" means in different places.

We don't know which is the correct approach at the moment, but Ireland's regime of restrictions is one of the harshest in Europe.

Probably because our health system is such a pile of sh1t.

We have the harshest "advice" in Europe. Our advice is so harsh it's scary. Madrid etc. is not advice. They enforce it. Bit of a difference.

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 11:27AM

boardise wrote: »

The point is that 'health' means more than just C19 ...includes mental and economic health too. If it didn't have that meaning then it certainly has it now.

NPHET'S only concern is Covid.

Hense why cancer screening was halted earlier in the year

Blondini · 06-10-2020 11:27AM

150 in hospital
24 in ICU

Not much change since yesterday so far which is good.

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 11:27AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We have the harshest "advice" in Europe. Our advice is so harsh it's scary. Madrid etc. is not advice. They enforce it. Bit of a difference.

No we as of tonight have the harshest restrictions in Europe.

Also had all Summer

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 11:28AM

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313424234413260800?s=19

All of that will not make a single difference to Tony or the virus. The virus doesn't care about finance. It cares about infecting as many hosts as possible and the government last night gave it the green light to run riot this winter.

When we eventually go to level 5 the backtracking from government alone will provide enough energy to run a mid sized European city.

titan18 · 06-10-2020 11:29AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Paris restaurants will remain open. So no.

Our gyms remain open then tbf

Stormyteacup · 06-10-2020 11:31AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Is hers immunity possible? Have you stats for people who've recovered from the virus and shown immunity six month later?

You’d better hope herd immunity is possible - otherwise any vaccine will be useless.

You don’t need everyone to be immune, just enough of us to break and lower the transmission enough. That’s why the healthy young population should be mixing while we do everything we can to help at risk people safeguard themselves.

Herd immunity is the only exit strategy, with our without vaccine.

Thinking you’re doing your best for society by demanding low risk population be locked up is misguided.

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 11:31AM

Braindead. Is there no sanctions when people take the absolute piss and ruin it for everyone?

https://twitter.com/clairebear2838/status/1313413753942220800?s=20

SusanC10 · 06-10-2020 11:33AM

So, there was mention of "enhanced enforcement" of restrictions etc.

What does that mean ?

Is it all still "advice" or can people be actually stopped from leaving their own County ?

Hulk Hands · 06-10-2020 11:34AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

All of that will not make a single difference to Tony or the virus. The virus doesn't care about finance. It cares about infecting as many hosts as possible and the government last night gave it the green light to run riot this winter.

Eh no, it doesn't. The rest of normal life does depend on it however.

If we can't borrow to pay for a second lockdown, how are we supposed to pay for it?

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 11:34AM

That looks lovely there.
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1313291485182386176?s=20

Ger Roe · 06-10-2020 11:35AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No we as of tonight have the harshest restrictions in Europe.

Also had all Summer

We also have one of the most dysfunctional health systems in Europe. There is an obvious connection between having a bad service and trying to make sure it is not overrun in the earliest stages of winter.

We usually fail in that objective in a normal year, maybe the harshest restrictions in Europe are needed to try and cope in this exceptional year?

We did have all summer, and loads of money and expert advisers and reviews and plans, but that never worked before either.

John O.Groats · 06-10-2020 11:36AM

Any news yet on the enhanced enforcement measures to be taken against the fcukwits who will try to flout the the level 3 restrictions?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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