Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 09:36AM

You can see the breakdown of those in hospital or ICU.
It's evenly distributed across the age ranges.
There may be less chance of a younger person getting it but they are getting it in sufficient numbers that the small percentage is. just as much a burden on the hospital as the older age category. I'd expect to see more in the older age groups as the disease progresses in the recent older cases.

MerlinSouthDub · 06-10-2020 09:36AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Ronan Glynn was the one being bullied by the government who think their "elected" positions have them some sort of divine right to rule.

Yes, in a democracy, usually the government has the right to rule. They are accountable for the decisions they take, unlike unelected public health officials who have secure jobs for life.

TCDStudent1 · 06-10-2020 09:37AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

As above have said, we need an additional 50 ICU beds in place for the winter if we want to try live along side virus

How difficult is it to get 50 ICU beds in place in short space of time? I ask this as somebody with absolutely no knowledge of ICU!

TonyMaloney · 06-10-2020 09:37AM

Thomas.. wrote: »

We have sleepwalked into a ridiculous situation with ICU beds

The government will have no option but to move to lockdown for the sake of extra ICU capacity

First they'll try to increase capacity as they did back in March. That will involve cancelling non-elective surgeries etc all over again.

I think that's likely to happen within a few weeks.

drunkmonkey · 06-10-2020 09:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You can see the breakdown of those in hospital or ICU.
It's evenly distributed across the age ranges.
There may be less chance of a younger person getting it but they are getting it in sufficient numbers that the small percentage is. just as much a burden on the hospital as the older age category. I'd expect to see more in the older age groups as the disease progresses in the recent older cases.

You can not present that as evidence on its own we know for a fact they are not all there as a result of Covid. They have obtained a positive covid pcr result. That is a moonshot away from presenting to hospital as a direct result of a true covid infection.

Thomas.. · 06-10-2020 09:41AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I see the WHO are saying it's likely 10% of the worlds population have had covid, this further pushes the IFR down.

Meanwhile we will continue to destroy society to "defeat" a virus that is endemic and has a massive massive survival rate.

But we're not

Our thinking has evolved and we're keeping lockdown on the long finger

Only problem is the systems not in place for this like ICU beds

BringBackMick · 06-10-2020 09:42AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

How difficult is it to get 50 ICU beds in place in short space of time? I ask this as somebody with absolutely no knowledge of ICU!

No idea I'm guessing you need 4 staff per bed. 2 nurses and 2 doctors , probably combined salary 500k , ICU bed probably costs 1million , let's say it costs 2 million a year to man an ICU ned, that's 100million for 50 beds a year

TCDStudent1 · 06-10-2020 09:43AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

No idea I'm guessing you need 4 staff per bed. 2 nurses and 2 doctors , probably combined salary 500k , ICU bed probably costs 1million , let's say it costs 2 million a year to man an ICU ned, that's 100million for 50 beds a year

Wow, thats big money.

harr · 06-10-2020 09:44AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

How difficult is it to get 50 ICU beds in place in short space of time? I ask this as somebody with absolutely no knowledge of ICU!

A big task but not impossible, I can imagine the biggest Challenge would be staff for the 50 new beds . I have been in icu wards before and it’s a huge complex set up.
Not sure if it’s the same now but all icu beds have a full time ICU nurse.. so thats probably would be 2-3 nurses for a 24 hours period.
So for 50 beds you will need 100 ICU trained nurses.

Richard Hillman · 06-10-2020 09:44AM

Level 5 lockdown didn't work. There was no curve flattening. It just spiked and went away. The growth of the second wave seems more sustained. It looks like a curve emerging over a longer period of time. This is what NPHET originally wanted but now they are getting it and want to go back to the system that failed.

Let's be clear. Nobody actually knows what they are doing. We've never experienced anything like this. All we can do is test methods.the first method did not work. This semi lockdown seems better not just for the numbers but economically.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 09:50AM

polesheep wrote: »

No. Ronan Glynn works for the government. Holohan does too, only he doesn't realise it.

Thanks for quoting the whole image

Boggles · 06-10-2020 09:52AM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313230709084114950

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 09:52AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You can not present that as evidence on its own we know for a fact they are not all there as a result of Covid. They have obtained a positive covid pcr result. That is a moonshot away from presenting to hospital as a direct result of a true covid infection.

Yeah I want to believe random man/woman on the internet more than the chief medical officer but I don't.
Hope you understand. Call me old fashioned but I tend to have more faith in those that understand situations because it is their area of expertise.

I know everyone has an opinion and in many cases they have their own version of reality.

obi604 · 06-10-2020 09:55AM

I still dont get this, I know Leo Varadkar was on Claire Byrne last night and people were shocked/proud/angry/happy at the way he lambasted NPHET and the CMO

I think NPHET are a group of about 40, they go off an do their studies and recommend something to the government, the government can take this recommendation or not

In work, teams often go off for weeks to proof out something or other, they then come back to management and present their findings. management then say Yay or Nay, whatever the answer is people just continue on and their is no upheaval and everyone moves on.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-10-2020 09:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Updated with data from 14 day report as of 5th Oct.

Level 3 working in Dublin

Boggles · 06-10-2020 09:58AM

obi604 wrote: »

I still dont get this, I know Leo Varadkar was on Claire Byrne last night and people were shocked/proud/angry/happy at the way he lambasted NPHET and the CMO

I think NPHET are a group of about 40, they go off an do their studies and recommend something to the government, the government can take this recommendation or not

In work, teams often go off for weeks to proof out something or other, they then come back to management and present their findings. management then say Yay or Nay, whatever the answer is people just continue on and their is no upheaval and everyone moves on.

Well no, if management make the wrong decision and that has dire consequences for the company as a whole then some folks get fired.

There is always consequences.

The stakes here are a wee bit higher though.

s1ippy · 06-10-2020 10:00AM

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1313165635489353735?s=20

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 10:01AM

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313230709084114950

Government need to take ownership if decision whether it's right or wrong. Idiotic reply from Donnelly

Spiderman0081 · 06-10-2020 10:01AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Lol. Posters (rightfully) ridiculing Trump for his blatant disregard for the health of the public and almost in the same breath praising the master of spin and PR Varadkar for doing the exact same thing.

Don’t forget the Swedish strategy haters who adore Leo for his interview yesterday. He pretty much copied word for word what so many have been saying in Sweden since March but for some strange reason the Swedish health agency are murderers while Leo is a shining light.

MrMusician18 · 06-10-2020 10:02AM

obi604 wrote: »

I still dont get this, I know Leo Varadkar was on Claire Byrne last night and people were shocked/proud/angry/happy at the way he lambasted NPHET and the CMO

I think NPHET are a group of about 40, they go off an do their studies and recommend something to the government, the government can take this recommendation or not

In work, teams often go off for weeks to proof out something or other, they then come back to management and present their findings. management then say Yay or Nay, whatever the answer is people just continue on and their is no upheaval and everyone moves on.

Management in companies do indeed often do that. What they don't normally do is go on the staff intercom or send an all-staff email laying into them.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-10-2020 10:03AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Level 3 working in Dublin

It isn't if you want to prevent the coming trauma.

Flattening is not enough.

It's only a matter of time before the health service is overwhelmed.

It's a numbers game.

amadangomor · 06-10-2020 10:03AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

We'll rue the day we allowed Varadkar's father into our country.

Nice bit of racism/xenophobia to start the day. You are some tulip.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 10:06AM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1313165635489353735?s=20

Ministers comparing us with other European countries again.

Did anyone mention that Germany again have had to help us out with testing?

landofthetree · 06-10-2020 10:07AM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Don’t forget the Swedish strategy haters who adore Leo for his interview yesterday. He pretty much copied word for word what so many have been saying in Sweden since March but for some strange reason the Swedish health agency are murderers while Leo is a shining light.

Did you miss the lockdown March-July?

Last country to reopen pubs.

Only country in Europe that has banned religious services.

We have the most restrictive regime in Europe as it is.

We are the further away from the Swedish strategy of all the countries on this planet bar NZ

landofthetree · 06-10-2020 10:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

Ministers comparing us with other European countries again.

Did anyone mention that Germany again have had to help us out with testing?

It's a private lab company has has nothing to do with the far right neo-Liberal German government.

Germany blocked PPE leaving the country and gave no help to Italy at the start of the crisis.

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 10:10AM

Let us not take our eyes off that sausepan of milk simmering on the stove.

s1ippy · 06-10-2020 10:11AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Let us not take our eyes off that sausepan of milk simmering on the stove.

I have a hawk that minds it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFdK_TBrBGs

Funsterdelux · 06-10-2020 10:11AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I have a hawk that minds it

Tony Hawk?

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 10:12AM

A lot of people will now give up on the health advice after last nights disastrously bad decision and the undermining of Tony from Leo.

It was only a few short months ago millions sacrificed so much to row in behind the effort but alas those days are finished. Shame on this government.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 10:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

Ministers comparing us with other European countries again.

Did anyone mention that Germany again have had to help us out with testing?

And how many ICU beds we have per 100,000 people compared to rest of Europe

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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