Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

FlorenceDude · 05-10-2020 11:22AM

omg, when this chaos will end?..
How about death %?

T.V Eye · 05-10-2020 11:22AM

Level 5, is that when the living start to envy the dead?

NIMAN · 05-10-2020 11:22AM

This is all kite flying.

Just watch. It'll be level 4 all round, so every side will see it as a victory.

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 11:23AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How you figure?

Just reading between the lines of what’s coming out on Twitter

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 11:23AM

Now's the time to check the bookies odds on a nationwide level 5 and put money against it

Public opinion will sway the betting in the customers favour, there'll be no level 5

rob316 · 05-10-2020 11:23AM

Is Holohan some sort of genius that he can see something different to Glynn?

mr_cochise · 05-10-2020 11:23AM

Blondini wrote: »

The latter please.... teacher hater.

I jest.

Let's drop it okay?

Yes Miss Blondini

John O.Groats · 05-10-2020 11:24AM

Keyzer wrote: »

McConkey was on Pat Kenny earlier this morning spouting, what can only be described as, utter horsesh!t.

He said we need to implement a program where school kids can trade in their phones to get better phones which will run the HSE app. Even though the age limit for the app is 16 years.

1. How in the name of jaysis could we fund such a program and...

2. Why would we do this? We don't need to - every kid I know over the age of 10 (and younger in some cases) have a mobile phone that can run the app. Even a bog standard cheap smartphone has bluetooth.

Utter nonsense...

This guy is clearly not living in the real world.

Level 5 restrictions are going to further decimate the country and cause public uproar, possibly unrest.

Why can't they target problem areas (e.g. shut universities, everything online) and introduce greater powers for law enforcement to tackle stupid behaviour (e.g. have a house party, fined 5 grand or jail time, go on the lash with a load of people from college, immediate expulsion).

The part of your post I highlighted in bold should immediately be implemented and in truth should have been done months ago.

Itssoeasy · 05-10-2020 11:24AM

Is dr Sam McConkey living in the real world at all ? He was saying it wouldn’t be a full lock down because business can operate online. Yeah because every business in the country has or it’s even practical to have an online part to their business.

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 11:25AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This is extraordinary stuff. You have to question the competence of NPHET if their recommendation changes radically based on Friday's and Saturday's data.

Their competence has been questionable from the start.

There's the same number of communications experts on NPHET as infectious disease experts.

KrustyUCC · 05-10-2020 11:25AM

rob316 wrote: »

Is Holohan some sort of genius that he can see something different to Glynn?

Holohan was very pro lockdown and that hasn't changed since his sabbatical

Only thing he knows to do is lockdown

rob316 · 05-10-2020 11:25AM

NIMAN wrote: »

This is all kite flying.

Just watch. It'll be level 4 all round, so every side will see it as a victory.

Level 4 is pretty bad too, it closes pretty much everything again. It'll be level 3 with heavy restrictions and household visits is my guess.

strathspey · 05-10-2020 11:26AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This is extraordinary stuff. You have to question the competence of NPHET if their recommendation changes radically based on Friday's and Saturday's data.

In order to aid tranparency, could NPHET not make their modelling algorithm public for outside analysis. At this stage it sounds like a thumb suck and with no transparency Ican see very buy-in from the public,

05-10-2020 11:26AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This is extraordinary stuff. You have to question the competence of NPHET if their recommendation changes radically based on Friday's and Saturday's data.

I'd say their assessment of risk is probably accurate, but their idea of how to go about implementing the restrictions is way off. They never really seemed to take account of the fact that rate of acceleration of case numbers can change too rapidly for the type of plan they formulated.

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 11:26AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Is dr Sam McConkey living in the real world at all ? He was saying it wouldn’t be a full lock down because business can operate online. Yeah because every business in the country has or it’s even practical to have an online part to their business.

He's lost it if he's saying that.

How can a hairdressers work online? Or many retail outlets.

He has no problem pushing thousands of people out of jobs.

John O.Groats · 05-10-2020 11:26AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

That thread is actually scary. These are supposed adults ffs.

In name only.

rovers_runner · 05-10-2020 11:27AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

How you figure?

They cannot afford it, we are broke.
We are just going to have to hope for the best Mehole will tell us, luckily he won't have to choose who gets an ICU bed when it's full.

lawrencesummers · 05-10-2020 11:27AM

It clear to me that our Chief medical Officer has no confidence in the abilities of the Acting Chief Medical officer.

seamus · 05-10-2020 11:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I doubt if the government were genuinely taken aback, the writing was on the wall. Politics plays its role.

The writing really wasn't on the wall. The eternally pessimistic of course have been claiming that lockdown was imminent since Mid-July.

But NPHET haven't. Just a few days ago they were recommending a slight increase in restrictions and were remarking with slightly optimism about Dublin:

sideswipe wrote: »

NPHET's flip flopping and leaking of recommendations as the nation prepares to try to get on with life, keep businesses afloat etc at the start of a new working week is infuriating.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1313048046444347392?s=20

3 days later they're freaking out and calling for a full lockdown?

If I were to read between the lines, I would say that NPHET is the Tony Holohan show and nobody else on the team has the balls to contradict him. It's no coincidence that this has come on Tony's first day back.

Either that or NPHET too have been caught by surprise.

Anyone claiming they could "see this coming" are either more qualified than NPHET, or are just a stopped clock.

Seamai · 05-10-2020 11:28AM

A lot of people are fixated on the possibility of moving to level 5, I'm looking here at level 4 and the differences between the two are hardly worth talking about, at least IMHO.

Harry Palmr · 05-10-2020 11:28AM

Heard that, there seems to be a weak minded mentality when it comes to the prospect of applying law to public behavior. Peer pressure clearly not sufficient. Various GAA hoolies, Antimask marches, student house parties, all ongoing and not a finger lifted to stop or curtail.

05-10-2020 11:28AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Their competence has been questionable from the start.

There's the same number of communications experts on NPHET as infectious disease experts.

It is probably the communications experts who are muddying the waters to some extent.

sideswipe · 05-10-2020 11:29AM

T.V Eye wrote: »

Level 5, is that when the living start to envy the dead?

McConkey on the radio this morning talking about level 6 and up!!!!! Talking about curfew's etc which would be part of levels above 5.

KrustyUCC · 05-10-2020 11:30AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This is extraordinary stuff. You have to question the competence of NPHET if their recommendation changes radically based on Friday's and Saturday's data.

It's mad

They didn't even see what level three nationwide would work or maybe they wouldn't

Not to mind level 4

Nah we'll push the nuclear button and go direct to level 5

polesheep · 05-10-2020 11:30AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This is extraordinary stuff. You have to question the competence of NPHET if their recommendation changes radically based on Friday's and Saturday's data.

What it does, I believe, is show that there is disagreement among scientists/medics, even on NPHET, on how to handle this pandemic. There was obviously a bit of power play went on at yesterday's NPHET meeting.

Boggles · 05-10-2020 11:30AM

It's pretty simple.

We will know in 10 days whether NPHET were right or wrong.

Doesn't really matter what level they bring in this week, it won't start taking effect until then anyway.

But if we forget about the recent spike in cases, our current trajectory saw us reaching a positivity rate of above 5% by the end of next week anyway.

The "stay at home" orders were always coming, I always thought we could get to the end of this month - middle of November before they did.

But I guess the numbers suggest otherwise.

T.V Eye · 05-10-2020 11:30AM

sideswipe wrote: »

McConkey on the radio this morning talking about level 6 and up!!!!! Talking about curfew's etc which would be part of levels above 5.

It’s literally off the chart!

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 11:30AM

The same people asking for a crack down on the house party idiots weeks ago and proper enforcement of regulations have been proven correct. Those people said it was that or we'd all suffer long term with businesses going to the wall as stricter levels are brought back.

It's not a "police state" or some other loon bag phrase to have these measures enforced, its proper responsible governance.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 11:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some otherwise very intelligent folk I know seem to be taken completely and absolutely by surprise by the latest turn of events; the other day enthusiastically suggested a meet-up in the next week or two with a very vulnerable elderly person involved. I was politely vague in reply "we'll have to see the way things are going, not looking good". They seemed quite puzzled by my response. Then comes last night's bombshell and I got a message saying "what a shock, wasn't expecting that at all".

I know I tend to be a "worst case scenario person" and always have some mental plan for that, but most people have a way more optimistic approach to life.

It's a very human trait to be a terrible judge of risk.

Itssoeasy · 05-10-2020 11:31AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

He's lost it if he's saying that.

How can a hairdressers work online? Or many retail outlets.

He has no problem pushing thousands of people out of jobs.

It was his last comment on Claire Byrne earlier and it was genuinely baffling to hear that argument.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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